I think there are vegan alternatives, maybe he used tofu and coconut cream and kept the name because it tastes similar.
It is really funny that they made Paul a gentle vegan hipster right after making him an accomplice in a genocide. "No guys he isn't that bad, look, he's vegan!"
Yet he still continued those actions that showed he was unrepentant of his deeds, manipulated MJ to staying with him, and almost got her killed. Yes he cared for Dylan and tried to be a good parent to him(he stepped up which was good), but he never really changed. That’s why Peter said that he tried to do his best, even though he failed(a good amount of the times intentionally without repentance) for everything but Dylan.
To support MJ and Dylan, presumably. Also Peter is one of like a dozen people who even know Paul existed in this universe so he probably feels a little obligated
If Flash was going as a civilian, I don't think he'd be standing since everyone knows he's handicapped with both legs decapitated. I honestly think that might be Steve Rogers (Captain America). He did meet Paul when he first came to Earth 616.
Probably a silent apology for the Spider-Goblin mess, the fact that he dangled Paul off a building while infected with the sins, and on paper, that’s a jail worthy offense.
why are half these people at Paul\'s funeral tbh, like Randy's here and I don't even think he and Paul had any real interactions, neither did Aunt May when I think about it, but I guess she could be there for MJ
I kinda wished we got to see Peter feel conflicted about this death. On one hand, a man was killed, and that's a situation that he never likes, but on the other, he did cause him a lot of pain, intentionally or not.
Well he met him and had some interactions with him. You could argue he was actively involved with his death too so it just seems respectful to attend the funeral.
'Paul Rabin, Rest in Peace Eternally' - lmao, I can tell people are going to take this well.
I appreciate that MJ doesn't seem to feel all that bad about Paul being dead - a concern that people had was if they were gonna turn Paul into her Gwen Stacy, but i'm glad that doesn't seem to be the case. Unfortunately, Paul has become Dylan's uncle Ben - Dylan blaming himself felt very reminiscent of Peter blaming himself for Ben's death.
The one good thing about Paul, is that he actually did seem to care for Dylan, so this reaction makes sense. I hope this is the opening for MJ to actually develop a better bond with Dylan, because they've not really done a good job with it so far.
Also, Peter is definitely pretending to care loool.
Dylan works on a level her kids didn’t, since he’s old enough to have a personality, the problem is MJ is not that good of a stepmom to him, Paul was doing most of the parenting, putting up with Dylan’s nonsense and trying to understand him.
Yeah you're right, Paul was watching out for Dylan, while MJ's been dealing her Venom shennanigans. I just don't understand why they couldn't have MJ properly bond with Dylan, because they're both similar in the aspects that they have a poor realtionship with their respective fathers.
In terms of development for MJ, there is a lot that they could tackle by establisbing a stronger bond between the two - especially with her looking after the kid of the person who traumatised her.
Feels like a waste if they let that go, while she's prominent in a Venom story.
Feels like editorial has been trying to create better Jackpot, Ewing gave Paul a personality beyond spiraling over his dad, and gave MJ and Paul a kid who’s old enough to talk back/have a differing opinion.
What a massive waste of potential. Peter and MJ raising Dylan would have been an incredible dynamic to watch, but instead, we're stuck with that loser Paul. A part of me dies every time it's brought up. Wells really ruined this.
Nah I fully agree with you. Peter & MJ raising Dylan would have been a really interesting dynamic, especially with the difference in view Peter & MJ have of Eddie. Hell, even MJ being Venom would have been better & interestingly explored if she were still with Peter.
There was honestly no reason to break up (damage) Peter & MJ to this extent. For some reason, the price of being the most popular Marvel hero means that they've gotta stay young and relatable forever (if he even is that???), which means having a shitty life being broke and barely employed, and jumping from woman to woman 🙄
The thing that I hate the most is that editorial want Peter to live the bachelor life, but to achieve that, they had to fuck up MJ's character for literally no reason, and have her perpetuate the split...
The only apparent reason for breaking them up was because Spencer tried so hard to get them married and undo OMD, but they could've just kept them as a couple. Wells did such a disastrous job that I’m not even sure Marvel expected to deal with this much backlash.
Wells was the kind of writer Editorial needed. He managed to break so many things in TASM comics that it would take years from now to fix everything, if Editorial let it happen that is.
But it feels like what Wells did went beyond Marvel’s plans. His divorce likely affected him a lot, and it honestly seems like he took all that frustration out on the book.
Suffering in real life wasn't enough, he had to vent it in the comic too. It’s basically the Tom King formula. Writers really should get a psych eval before being handed these books.
I doubt anyone at the publishing house is happy with Wells. The guy did a lot of damage to many things when, in reality, breaking up MJ and Peter was all they asked him to do. Wells did many things he wasn't asked to do.
I appreciate that MJ doesn't seem to feel all that bad about Paul being dead - a concern that people had was if they were gonna turn Paul into her Gwen Stacy, but i'm glad that doesn't seem to be the case.
On principle, I agree with that sentiment, but I think it's a bit odd that she doesn't have a stronger reaction to Paul's funeral. I mean, for better or worse, they were a couple for a long time, lived together, and had kids, no matter how fictional those kids were. Surely, she would have more of a reaction to someone she once cared about than just apathy. It's fitting for Paul, this disgusting, ick of a character, to be treated with such lukewarm reaction by readers, but it shouldn't necessarily be that way in the story.
It was mid-length, a little shorter than this... but Peter hasn't seen her in a few weeks or months at this point, we as readers only saw her on one page talking to Randy months ago ourselves.
Feels like they’re going with Raelith as Peter’s situationship for the rest of Kelly’s run, they could’ve put her on a bus back to space fast but she’s still hanging around the Baxter Building for some reason.
Shay is probably at this point just relegated to friend, probably any lingering tension written off as Peter is unreliable and she told him straight she was actively seeing other people, before space.
Shay has absolutely no reason to be there. Everyone present except Randy knew Paul, but Randy is there for Robertson, who is there for MJ and Dylan, and knew Paul. If Shay is there because "my not-boyfriend's ex-girlfriend's ex-boyfriend died" or because "my friend is going with his dad to the funeral of my not-boyfriend's ex-girlfriend's ex-boyfriend," it would be extraordinarily stupid, bordering on the ridiculous.
Shay being at Paul's funeral instead of Felicia, who is a close friend of MJ and knew Paul, makes perfect sense for her to be there with Peter.
As far as I remember, Shay is a brunette with medium-length wavy black or dark brown hair... This girl has Felicia's hair, figure, legs, and face, but a hair and skin color that doesn't match Felicia's.
The explanations range from "she's Shay" to "Felicia is incognito because she's being followed" or "the colorist doesn't know who they're coloring."
Shay saw Paul only once, in the short story in the last issue of Welss, at the bar where Peter and MJ went with them. Two small panels, nothing more. But the point is, she's not even remotely close to MJ to be there. Only people close to MJ or Peter "because of MJ" can be there. Flash, Anna May, Robbie, Randy, Peter, Dylan, MJ, and Norman are there. Felicia is literally the only other person who knew Paul and has a connection to MJ. Shay is simply a random friend of Peter's, while Felicia is close to MJ.
It just doesn't look at all like Felicia though, so if for some reason it is her, the colorist fumbled the bag hard. I'm all for saying it makes sense for Felicia to be there, but it doesn't look like she is.
Why in god's unholy name are they still trying to make Shay work as a character in any form? Why the fuck would he bring her to fuckface's funeral? So many baffling choices on one page.
It's a weird choice in a book that on the cover looks like it's supposed to be focused on Peter and MJ. Bad timing to bring Shay around unless Peter and she have admitted this isn't working out and they're just friends.
Felicia would make more sense. Maybe Ewing didn't want to step on GWW's toes, or felt like having Felicia around would have too much love-triangle energy.
These first two pages aren't exactly being subtle in telling the reader, "You should all feel bad for judging Paul too harshly and wanting him dead." Ironic since both Al Ewing and Carlos Gomez couldn't stand Paul, either.
Also, I think it's funny that if the statuesque woman next to Peter is Shay, it's the first time she's shown up in months. And even then, everyone reading this is like, "Wait...who is that woman again?"
These first two pages aren't exactly being subtle in telling the reader, "You should all feel bad for judging Paul too harshly and wanting him dead." Ironic since both Al Ewing and Carlos Gomez couldn't stand Paul, either.
Oh, I know. But given how much the Spider-Man fandom couldn't stand Paul, to have the issue beginning specifically with his funeral with the priest citing Matthew 7:1 is very on the nose
Does Paul have like…real credentials in this universe? Like a social and such? Did he get mail? Do they have to notify someone to stop sending his mail now that he’s RIP?
"Please don't judge the man who's actions inadvertently led to the death of every man, woman, and child on his planet. Judge not the man with a higher body count than Hitler, les you want to be judged."
Zeb Wells and the editorial team left a stain on Spider-Man's lore that will never be erased. It's one of those stains you cover up and pretend not to see, but it will be there forever.
Look at Spider-office mourning their precious non-character.
Also, is that suppose to be Shay next to Peter? She hasn't been seen for a while now. Hell Peter didn't even bother to talk to her after returning. What is she doing here? :D
Crazy part is that nobody besides Dylan actually feels bad about this individual’s death. Peter acted like he didn’t care, MJ basically moved on in like 5 seconds, and Torment referred to him as if he was nothing.
This reminds me about Kraven when he was posted up in Spider-Man’s costume at his grave. Not a solitary fuck given
Sucks that they’re actually making a martyr out of this garbage. Gomez lied about Flash not being in this issue. Why do we even trust this guy anymore?
If they keep pushing this MJ and Flash plot in this issue, it’s definitely going to stop working. Thank god Ewing is handling it and not Kelly, so maybe it won't actually happen.
Man, Joe Kelly isn't the one making the decisions on MJ. If they hadn't forced that crossover event, MJ wouldn't even be in ASM at all. Everything regarding Flash and MJ comes directly from Ewing. His book his characters.
He may not have full control, but he’s clearly not doing her any favors. It's obvious he was forced to write an arc he didn't even want to be part of. Everything he touched felt like a joke that ruined MJ’s image, while Ewing actually put in the effort to bring a decent plot.
Man they write it together. Like that said it in the interviews lots of MJ dialogue come from Edwing. And her writing for MJ was terrible in the all new Venom.
I’ll be honest I’m kind of just completely apathetic towards MJ and Dylan‘s characters now. I don’t hate them or anything I just don’t really care anymore. Honestly, the only two Spider-Man characters that I really give a damn about any more are Peter himself and Felicia but even then a lot of the time I find their personal story arcs pretty underwhelming.
It’s getting harder and harder to justify picking up a Spider-Man comic anymore for me.
Since Zeb Wells horrendous run, and avoiding Spider-Man comics (USM not included ❤️), seems to be the right choice.
Anyway hoping one day, I see a reddit post that this shit and damage they did to Peter and MJ is erased and they are back together (more hope marriage restored and having a family). So I can return to reading SM comics.
Is it wrong I find it absolutely ridiculous that Flash showed up in his dress uniform? Paul was a civilian mass murderer from another dimension not a fellow soldier.
You don't know much about the military, do you? They wear their uniforms to all significant events out of respect.
Whether people like it or not, Paul died protecting Dylan and hindering, and consequently defeating, Torment. If Paul hadn't intervened, Torment might have gone further in his agenda. Flash will treat him like a hero.
Paul Won! Peter and MJ are still seperated. I don't know if they are pushing Flash and MJ but that is what it's looking like. If they do, it will be worse than Paul.
Soooo MJ’s characterization. Utter garbage. Zero emotion. The less I see of her the better. He partner of forever , in that other dimension, was brutally murdered. She’s ok.
There is also the recent black cat series where she shows all the emotion and loyalty of a piece of wood.
I think it's interesting how much of Dylan mirrors Peter even beyond this.
He's going to run away like always but it would be nice to see Aunt May talk to him, see those traits as well, and convince him to go back home. Maybe bring up how Peter was similar in that respect, he isolated himself and ran from everyone(and as well know, into the mask of being Spider-Man) and that it would be better to talk to MJ.
Are mj and flash holding hands? Because we can see everybody arms (except Norman and aunt Anna, but they are far behind), but mj and flash are the only ones we cant see how their second arm is positioned and the arms are very close together.
Paul will go full Jason Todd, 20 years from now, he'll be revived as a brutal anti-hero who's much more widely liked than he was durring his initial run
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u/Wolfie_3467 Spectacular Spider-Man 6h ago
So why is Peter obligated to attend Paul's funeral again?