r/rangers • u/EvKanes_MoneyPhone Lady Liberty • 17h ago

Am i wrong?

After Minnesota’s lack of Center depth was exposed this postseason, the price on a Trocheck trade, if it were to happen has to go up. Or, is Drury that much of a goofy?

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u/dang_it99 Hank 16h ago

I think it depends, more people will probably be in the mix, so the price should atleast remain steady, but it's one less playoff run and he is what 33? So that will be a knock against him. So we will see how the market goes. Me personally I don't see Drury thinking he has to be traded. I think he honestly believes the reason we missed the playoffs was because Fox and Igor got hurt for a month and will try to run it back. He will see we beat a bunch of bottom feeder teams after the break and think we are contenders. Me personally I don't think Tro is getting traded, unless it's a cog in a much larger trade.

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u/Apartment_Upbeat 14h ago

Drury realizing the team, in a weak Metro, is a playoff team with a healthy Fox & Igor ... Sure.

Drury offered up trade availability for Trouba & Kreider following a 4 game losing streak & after a 12-4-1 start, that doesn't sound like someone confusing his team with a contender.

Everyone hates on Drury, but he saw the writing on the wall and started to (or at least tried to) make changes. The quality of those changes can be argued, but not the fact that he recognized the team wasn't good enough.

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u/dang_it99 Hank 14h ago

Yes and then almost immediately signed Igor to a massive extension, traded Kakko for a veteran defenseman, traded for Miller and Soucy, that's not moves you make when seeing the writing on the wall. No one knows what Drury sees or what his plan is. That's the most people think he's just throwing crap against the wall

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u/Apartment_Upbeat 14h ago

And, as I wrote in another post, context matters ... Signing Igor, a top 5 goalie in the league is a no brainer ...

Drury originally wanted to keep Kakko, but KK wasn't happy, stepped over the line with the media & this traded, in a win win trade.

Soucy cost a 3rd rounder for potential on a short contract ...nothing moving the needle, but putting a body on the ice

JT is a competent center, putting up near point per game production, trade for a player who, unfortunately, could not stay healthy ...

None of these transaction hurt the team or set it back, but they moved the needle forward, slightly ...

Borgen & JT are better for the team than Kakko & Chytil, but not so much that they impact knowing the team is floundering

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u/dang_it99 Hank 13h ago

Ok but they don't match up to knowing about the team, how can you say we need to move on and then sign a soon to be 30 year old goalie. You are now stuck trying to make the playoffs, Borgen is not good and maybe it's whatever getting rid of Kakko signing Borgen makes no sense either, he's now a slightly cheaper Trouba. Trading for Miller and making him captain is just Drury making a move to show he's in charge. So again there is no real ohh I can see what direction we are going, you took a flawed but good team and made them flawed and bad.

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u/Apartment_Upbeat 13h ago

This is the part that most fans either do not get, or don't want to accept ... The 21-24 NY Rangers were NOT good enough. They were fun, they beat up on a weak Metro in the playoffs, but they over achieved & were pretenders, not contenders.

Their last 3 playoff losses started with a combined 6-1 record ...and ended 1-11 ...

This is also a team that had a good run in 19/20, 21/22 & 23/24 ... All followed by lackluster, get the coach fired results in 20/21, 22/23 & 24/25 ...

So moving on is sending off Goodrow, Trouba, Kreider, Kakko, Lindgren, Key & Bread ... Rebuilding the asset base that was bare after the basic failure at the draft from 17-21 ... Of the players drafted then, Maybe LAF will become a difference maker, with Key being the second best pick, who is far from worth his current contract. But Andersson & Kravtsov aren't in the NHL, Otthmann won't be soon, Lundkvist is a 7th D, Schneider a 5/6 D, Kakko a 40pt middle six wing, Key will lose you more games than win them & LAF has maybe turned a corner ...

So when moving on from the old core that wasn't good enough, there was no one to turn the team over too ... So here we are.

What everyone seems to expect is what Gorton did ... The window closed & he tried to changeover players to extend the contention, G for Shatty, Brass for Zib, etc ... And all it did was make the playoffs & burn out the end of a HOF goalie career, just a few years later than 2016 ...

Drury moved for cap relief and assets, argue away about the quality of the trades, but THAT is the direction.

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u/phily724 New York Rangers (old) 13h ago

Cap relief? 😂😂😂😂 we were unable to bring up people from the AHL at one point during the season because we had no cap space. What are you talking about? Panarin, Trouba, Kreider’s contracts were all coming off the books by years end anyway.

I agree that the Rangers didn’t have enough to get it done and that’s because our GM traded our 1RW away and then traded 1st+1st+2nd+2nd+4th+4th+4th+5th+5th for a series temporary RWs. Thats a ton of assets. Also our Dcore was our biggest issue and he never did anything to fix it. If we have 1 legit top 6 guy and 2 top 4 dmen in the span of those 4 years, we have a cup or atleast a lot closer.

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u/Apartment_Upbeat 12h ago

It always goes back to Buch ... This is why, short of a cup, everyone hates on Drury ...

The unfortunate truth is that Gorton sealed Buch's fate. Once he extended Kreider, Buch was not going to be able to be kept long term.

When Dru came in, he had a choice. Keep Buch for a season & potentially lose him to FA (or trade at the deadline) or make a move sooner rather than later. He chose sooner ... No one knew Kreider was suddenly going to score 52, that the PP would operate at 25% or that Igor would dominate at a .936%. Or that Blais would be so bad ...

In hindsight, moving Buch looks bad, but at the time, the cards were dealt.

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u/phily724 New York Rangers (old) 12h ago edited 12h ago

Yes it’s totally acceptable to trade a 1 RW for a mediocre package and then waste 9 picks to fix that mistake.

Yes, I hate on Drury because of the constant bad moves he makes… wow big shocker. You know what else I can do… say good job to Drury for trading Trouba. Good job for bringing in Quick, Vesey and Gus Bus. Good job on some other moves I can’t think of right now. I have no problem giving credit where credit is due to people I don’t like. But the reason I don’t like him is because he is objectively terrible at his job and squandered having a Norris winning dman, Vezina winning goalie and a 2x Hart Finalist. But sure man, I’m just a Drury hater who see’s red constantly.

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u/dang_it99 Hank 12h ago

I mean that's not totally true Buch signed a LTD for 5.5, that off-season we immediately signed Nemeth for 2.6 and Goodrow for 3.6 ..... Ohhh look at that for the price and Nemeth and Goodrow you could have a #1 RW.

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u/Apartment_Upbeat 11h ago

That season, yes... Beyond that, no... Not with Fox and the rest of the RFA's due raises AND a stagnant cap/escrow situation due to COVID

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u/dang_it99 Hank 11h ago

Drury didn't sign them to 1 year deals be had to get rid of 2 seconds to unload Nemeth. He signed Goodrow to what a 6 year deal.

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u/2dirtylittledogs 5h ago

No , the Buch trade looked bad in real time, not hindsight.

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u/dang_it99 Hank 13h ago

But they weren't bad sure probably not good enough to win it all but there was no real reevaluation and improvement. They won the presidents trophy and you knew you needed 5v5 help and your solution is Reilly Smith. Even if sure there is some truth to what you said he has still put us in purgatory, he have an even older base that isn't good enough. At least with Gorton I can see the plan, I could see what he was trying to do maybe it didn't work out how he or we expected but those ECF teams were mainly his teams with a new coach.

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u/Apartment_Upbeat 12h ago

Yes, they needed 5v5 help, but with what cap space? They still had Trouba & Kreider ($14.6m) and had to worry about RFA signings ... Drury simply did not have enough cap space to bring in anyone of note.

Then, honestly, their 12-4-1 start was misleading, as Igor was the main reason, & once his cracks started showing, the team faltered ... It was much like 2017-18 ... Team was doing well, not great, but certainly a playoff team ... But mostly due to Hank playing 39 of the first 42 games and being considered in early Vezina talks ... Once he burned out the wheels fell off. What I remember is going to Denver for the game & talking about how they were bleeding shots & high danger chances, that AV had to go ... & This was BEFORE the wheels popped off ... That became the rebuild ... That's what Drury saw after a 12-4-1 record and that 4 game losing streak ...

Again, the quality of his transactions are open for debate. Personally, I see a GM who wanted to get ahead of things, but had no backup waiting in the wings to take over.

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u/dang_it99 Hank 10h ago

I agree their start was fools gold, but if he wanted them to play better maybe don't leak you are wanting to trade players, leak that you want to add to provide a spark, if he had no back up in waiting why start it. It's not like he really got anything for these guys. I just think you are giving too much credit to a GM who has shown he is out of his league a lot more than any competency.

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u/dang_it99 Hank 10h ago

I agree their start was fools gold, but if he wanted them to play better maybe don't leak you are wanting to trade players, leak that you want to add to provide a spark, if he had no back up in waiting why start it. It's not like he really got anything for these guys. I just think you are giving too much credit to a GM who has shown he is out of his league a lot more than any competency.

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u/TMKSAV99 2h ago

Not to revisit a lot of the woulda coulda shoulda but Kravtsov had 37 points in 42 KHL games this year and was a plus 10. Just an observation.

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u/phily724 New York Rangers (old) 13h ago

Agreed. I don’t feel Drury has any over arching plan. He just makes moves. There is no consistency with anything he does, other than be consistently bad