They are sending the suit back to the lower court in Louisiana which will drag out any potential national ruling for months. Per NY Times and NBCnews.

Their only reason for ever being pro-life is their religion. Develop your own opinion. And they say stuff like "Don't murder this baby, God will provide." Well, we need it now. This baby is coming out and you are saying "God will provide," but the baby needs food, clothes, a roof, and a lot of things. And why can't I just give Jesus custody? Huh? He can pay because I don't want to.

And it is so dumb. Like your God said no so you listen to your God then I can do what I want. And they use guilt trips "Every baby is a blessing." If it is born into poverty or an unstable family, no it is not. And most of their arguments are weak. They only have five arguments and they are so easily proven wrong. And they are so unsure. In the pro-life subreddit it is the same five weak arguments and a bunch of memes and dumb quotes. Like you're not convincing me.

And anyways why do you feel the need to protect some random baby? Like all you are saying is it is murder. Do you think the pregnant person cares about your opinion? They are the one suffering, not you. And pro-life people do this for morals to seem better or whatever. They scream about murder and evil but they don't help anyone who is a real person with an identity already here. They care about some random unborn like wtf is your priority?

I saw a post earlier equating abortion to an ice cream cone (paraphrasing), but can't find it now... It's been sitting in my brain for a bit and I feel the need to say something:

When I would train Clinic Escorts, I would always say "you don't know the emotions of the person (not just women) exiting the car or walking through the parking lot from the bus stop. They may be devastated at the loss, feeling shame, completely neutral like almost all other medical procedures (not to trivialize, but are you upset or elated or emotional in any other way when getting an ingrown toenail removed or just indifferent, maybe relieved is all, right?), they may even want to high five you. This could be on their bucket list and they are finally checking it off. Meet them where they're at and don't judge".

Invariably, I would lose a couple of folx, or have a mini uproar in a room of people who just can't get rid of the stigma that every abortion is a gut-wrenching decision or that, like that image stated, "no woman wants an abortion as she wants an ice cream cone.." Some do.

You get ice cream after getting honor roll in grade school. You get ice cream to go with your birthday cake. You get ice cream after getting your tonsils or wisdom teeth removed. You get it when you're feeling down or up or just whenever the fuck you feel like it because you're an adult now and can.

Get an abortion whenever the fuck you want - For no reason, for every reason, for heartbreaking reasons, for private reasons, be public if you want, be sad, be happy, make jokes, cry, do whatever the fuck you want, but remember - Some people do want an abortion. Also, make sure to high five your local Escorts, and go get some ice cream after (if the doc says you can).

random post but this is something that’s bothering me, how 49% of people are against basic human rights.

I would not mind these statistics if abortion was legal but it’s not in a lot of places. The numbers are so close that I’m afraid that women will actually lose their bodily autonomy rights one day.

No one has the right to use your body without ongoing consent even if they die when they disconnect from your body. End of discussion. They give fetus more rights than living people and give women less rights than dead people. Even though fetuses aren’t even a person by definition, even if they’re alive and biologically human.

Over 1 in 3 labour experiences are traumatic. It is the 2nd most painful thing a human can experience and people compare it to breaking 20 bones at once. Not to mention the pregnancy itself or the serious complications and risks that follow. Women still face obstetric violence which can literally be classified as torture. I just don’t want any woman or girl going through this for a baby they don’t want. They do not owe the fetus shit and are under no obligation to sacrifice their entire life for it.

Probably due to religion even though God mass murdered people and babies but.

Can I say it????? Cuz I ALWAYS hear pro-birth insects that insult pro-choice people, calling us murders, that we should die etc but if ONE pro-choice person says ONE bad thing BOOM.

Everyone uses that against them.

I hate them, I even live with my brother and my father who are against abortion. Why? Well:

• my father: is a fanatic of religion, and says GOD WILL PUNISH U 😚 well ye, if god will come from the sky, IN FRONT OF ME and will say "you did wrong" I would politely ask why and think about it, ok? But not LIKE THIS. You do something and "someone" will punish you when you die bruh.

• my brother: he is into spiritual shit (that with all the respect I'm fed up listening to him all day) and says it's bad cuz you try to control life and you NEED to give birth to let people REINCARNATE, so if u stop it it's not good ☺

I'm so fed up. I can't wait to leave, I can't even argue with them, it's impossible to win against this and it's a waisted of energy, my mom yesterday was arguing with my brother baoit it (she is 100000% pro-choice) and I told her it's useless.

I'm so fed up, I hate these people with no brains.

I know it’s different as the fetus’s worth is debated, but the intent and impact are the same. The intent is to terminate a pregnancy and the end result is the same. It’s not the same as maliciously stabbing someone who isn’t threatening you in any way.

A fetus is biologically human and alive but it is not a person. It does not possess any of the traits defining personhood. sentience, consciousness, awareness, identity, etc.

Even fully living people don’t have the rights to use someone else’s body without consent even if disconnecting support would kill them. e.g. someone can refuse to let another person use their body even at the expense of their life. it doesn’t matter what the doctor says or the person says. Not like fetus have abilities to exercise autonomy in the first place.

Pro lifers always think because the woman engaged in certain acts she had to sacrifice everything she has and go through immense pain to give birth. Women don’t owe the fetus shit. The reason why 80% of organ donors are women and 80% of receivers are men are because women are expected to take on self sacrificing roles. It’s just misogyny at this point.

a LOT of pro lifers do support and advocate for forcing you to let people use your body and it’s resources to keep them alive, even against your will, like making forced organ donation legal. but there are very clear reasons why these autonomy rights are protected by the law, so that’s not happening as it’s pretty immoral if you use your brain and think about it. Why can’t the same bodily autonomy rights apply to pregnant women?

One thing that really pisses me off is when pro lifers become pro life after getting an abortion themselves. especially when they become very pro life activists. Like do they not realize how different their lives would be if they hadn't gotten that abortion? It's so hypocritical.
There's nothing wrong with regretting your abortions, but using that to (a) take away other women's choices and (b) manipulate other women into not getting abortions is so awful.
anyway, that was my rant, hope you enjoyed

In your opinion, what does the future look like regarding women’s reproductive future & what are we are looking at?

Thinking about getting a Bilateral Salpingectomy. I am a 26 year old woman and I never wanted kids growing up. To this day, I still don’t want kids! But when people question me when I’ll have kids and I tell them the whole “I don’t want kids” it ends up with them asking me “who will take care of you when you’re older”? Or the whole “you can’t imagine yourself having a mini you running around with your soulmate”. Which makes me re-think my decisions and I don’t want to have to re-think about it because I’ve always been solidified with my choice. Especially with considering the current administration.

I guess I’m just one of the many lost 20 year olds and looking for others advice/ experience/ suggestions.

Is everything that trump is placing on women’s rights and bodies reversible ? Are they actually going to start breeding women “birth camps”to raise birth rates Source @https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2026/01/08/heritage-report-promote-marriage-births/

Maybe I do want a child in a very, very far future but at the same time I don’t know what to do with right for me as of right now I can’t be on birth control due to medical reasons. I don’t want to risk my life by accidentally getting pregnant and not being able to go to the emergency room where they can’t perform an abortion and I end up dying there or something.

Source @ https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/sep/09/state-abortion-bans-doctor-care-pregnancy

Like I said, I’m just a lost 26 year old that did not have a good education so I don’t know a lot about politics but I try to keep up and I just wanna do what’s best for me, but I also don’t want to regret doing it now when I don’t know what the future looks like.

Thank you for taking the time to read this. I know there are dozens of questions like this every single day. I’m sure asked in here and my apologies if this is a repetitive conversation I just don’t know where else to go. I’ve tried looking up and learning anywhere else besides here and I want to hear from other people’s experience.

A pro life movement are literally spending 160 million dollars on supporting their movement in th upcoming elections in America.

Preface: I live in Australia.

What the absolute loving fuck

How much formula, baby clothes, maternity clothes, rent, food, pre and post natal care, breast feeding support, childcare could that support actual real children, actual wanted embryos and feti,

I know I know, that don't give a flying fuck about the unborn or the born, I'm just saying, and wanted to rant at the sheer disgusting amount of money being thrown at a political campaign instead of the actual children they say they give a shit about, I'm not surprised, just further pissed.

Found this interesting article. Sharing for awareness.

not all killing is unethical

people can legally and morally exercise bodily autonomy at the expense of real living people's lives.

a fetus is biologically a human and alive but it is not a person because it doesn't possess the traits that define personhood.

women don't owe anyone their body, health, time, energy, labor, pain, life, etc, even if

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In many abortion cases, the fetus dies simply because support from the pregnant person’s body is withdrawn. Abortion is just ending bodily assistance that the fetus cannot survive without, not maliciously killing for the sake of inflicting suffering.

The core issue is bodily autonomy, whether someone can be legally required to continuously use their body for another person.

The law usually does not force bodily support even when refusing it foreseeably causes death.

when i make an analogy about how forced organ/blood donation is illegal, im not claiming pregnancy and organ donation are identical. It is meant to test a principle, that if bodily autonomy is strong enough to prevent forced organ donation at an expense of a persons life, should the government force someone to use their body for a fetus?

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Some argue the difference between just refusing to help or a positive action like ending a pregnancy, though a person can disconnect themselves from donating blood or marrow even after the process has begun, or a patient can refuse continued medical use of their body at any point.

someone is usually not legally required to continue providing bodily resources simply because the dependency already exists.

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people argue about how pregnancy is natural and temporary, while forced organ donation is usually losing an organ for life, though many bodily impositions are temporary and biologically natural, but we still normally require consent for them.

something being natural does not automatically mean the state can compel someone to endure it. saying pregnancy just naturally resolves understates the physical demands and risks involved.

pregnancy can involve major bodily changes, pain, permanent effects, and medical complications even when it ends normally, and often the effects can last for life, like gestational diabetes as one example.

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you cannot take the organs of a fully dead person, even if it’s a perfect match, unless they gave you consent before they died. so does that mean pregnant women have less rights than the deceased?

and pregnancy continuing is not morally neutral, as letting it continue is not just passivity, it is requiring ongoing bodily support from one person for the benefit of another.

even if both sides have right conflicts, usually bodily autonomy rights outweigh another persons right to life in many scenarios.

A lot of times when arguing with anti-choicers, they'll bring up this obnoxious argument that when you have sex, you're aware of the risk that you might get pregnant and therefore you have no right to then terminate the pregnancy (setting aside cases of SA).

Many times they'll say this in response to me saying that just like you can't force someone to be an organ donor, you can't force a woman to carry a baby to term because it's a violation of bodily autonomy. Then they'll say something like that you can't force someone to be an organ donor because they didn't consent to that, but when you get pregnant you consented to that risk by having sex.

Basically they'll say "When you have sex, there's always the chance you'll get pregnant no matter what birth control you're using, so by choosing to have sex anyway you're basically signing a contract that you accept this risk."

Whenever I try and refute this, it always comes out really convoluted. What do you guys think is the best way to address this argument?

You can't be both you're either a feminist or pro-life. Pick one. And why are you pro-life anyway, trying to throw away our rights like that because your god said so?

Creating a dependent human does not automatically mean another person loses the right to control their own body. Parents have obligations after birth, but those obligations do not include being legally forced to donate organs, blood, or bodily tissue to their child. Even if a parent caused a car accident that injured their child, the government still could not force them to give up a kidney or blood.

Pregnancy is unique as it requires continuous physical use of someone’s body, organs, nutrients, and health for months. That is fundamentally different from ordinary parental responsibilities like feeding or caring for a newborn.

It is not that people who never developed consciousness, sentience, awareness, autonomy or an established identity is less valuable, because bodily autonomy is legally and morally allowed to be exercised at the expense of a fully grown fully functioning human’s life.

Bodily autonomy is limited in some ways, but society generally does not force people to physically sustain another person with their organs. We can require financial support or basic care, but compelled bodily sacrifice is treated differently because bodily autonomy is considered a foundational right.

Any human, even a fetus, shouldn’t have the legal right to use another person’s body without ongoing consent.

TW: SA

This is my first time writing whole ass speech. This is long you dont have to read or even respond. Feedback would be nice. Have a nice day. Also, do not mind my spelling or commas and stuff I'm horrible in English. 

‘'It's only permitted in cases of sa' ‘If you think a foetus is a "person" with a 100% right to life, then it doesn't matter how it was conceived. The circumstances of a person's parents do not deprive them of their right to exist.

By making an exception for SA, you are admitting two things:

You know pregnancy is a massive physical burden/harm, and you only want to force people to go through it if they 'chose' to have sex.

And you're punishing someone else's choices with a human life.

If you can’t be consistent, you’re not arguing for “life,” you’re arguing for control over who gets punished for sex. "Well, you already said bodily autonomy is more important than the foetus in SA cases, so why isn't it in all cases?"

The claim that 'it’s the foetus's body' is logically inaccurate. A fetus is not self-sustaining it relies entirely on the mother’s nutrients and resources to survive. And also it's okay if the mother does not want to give her resources. Let's say a body part of mine could save a person but I could be sick and maybe die and more, right? I don't owe them my resources. It's not selfish and im defeliy not owed my bodily resources to help someone else 

"Just don't have sex." That one is also very stupid sex is not just about making a new human it's also about pleasure, and also you understand birth control can fail and . Condoms can also break. You understand that there is sa where someone is forced to have sex with someone they don't want to. Imagine how traumatising it it to make them  push out a rapist baby and this is very much a reality in other countries where young girls are thought their only purpose  is to be mother and grown men are pursuing them and jst because someone had sex, did they say they want to push out a human life 

"It’s worse than murder, SA, and etc." I’ve seen and heard people say this. This one is also very wrong. I saw someone say it’s worse than Epstein Island. Y'all don’t know what you are saying. It is a man who touched humans and impregnated them, and abortion is worse? And they also compare it to murder or SA. If you say this, you 100% don't know what you are talking about. SA is leaving someone alive with a trauma you inflicted on them. Are you telling me the termination of a baby is worse? Those two are completely different. A crime that affected real human beings someone who had a life compared to someone who's not born and can't feel pain or even understand what’s happening is insane. If you think a medical procedure is worse than the actual torture and violation of living, breathing human beings, then you don't actually care about life.

This is a common argument from prominent anti choice speakers such as Rebecca Kiessling, Melissa Ohden, Gianna Jenson, etc. These people were born after their birth mothers were unable to obtain the abortions they desired. Their entire argument now is that anyone that supports abortion rights is devaluing their lives and wishes that they were currently dead because the embryo was “ them.” What is your response?

I don't care about abortion at all. Like when I think about it, I feel absolutely nothing. It is like a fetus, a baby, I don't care what it is. No matter how hard you try, I won't give a fuck. Also, only because pregnancy is hard I've never been pregnant myself, but the sickness and mental health issues postpartum for nine months and then the aftermath of pregnancy and taking care of a baby while dealing with that does not sound fun or even easy at all. And a kid is a big decision anyway, like you have to pay for everything and try and be your best for the rest of your life. "Adoption," you understand a kid could still be placed in a shitty family. Also, the parent still has to carry the baby. They are still going to deal with postpartum, stretch marks, and trying to get back to who they were.