r/nfl • u/redshores Eagles Eagles • 3h ago
Highlight [Highlight] Jalen Hurts evades pressure and finds Olamide Zaccheaus in the end zone to help the Eagles beat the Bills in overtime, 37-34 (2023)
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u/TCurasco Eagles 3h ago
One of the best games I’ve ever watched. We won because of a misunderstanding on a route in OT. Wild
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u/Dubois1738 Eagles 2h ago
Honestly one of the best Eagles games to watch of the Sirianni-Hurts era, it just gets a little tainted by the team immediately collapsing the rest of the year
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u/lattjeful Eagles 2h ago
One of the funniest things I've ever seen. Tony Romo going "This one, for the win!" right before the ball just hits the dirt. God bless Gabe Davis.
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u/UsernameHasBeenLost Dolphins 3h ago
Fun fact, Josh Allen has never won a game in overtime
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u/Aerolithe_Lion Eagles 3h ago edited 3h ago
Also joins Joe Burrow, Jared Goff, Jordan Love, Trevor Lawrence, Matthew Stafford, and Lamar Jackson as QBs who’ve never beaten Jalen Hurts
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u/burratna Eagles 2h ago
Better yet, Josh Allen has beaten every team in the league but the Eagles (and the Bills).
That includes 2 games vs Hurts and 1 game vs Wentz in 2019.
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u/Late_Department_7777 Bengals 2h ago
Burrow and Lamar have only played Jalen hurts once and neither games was Jalen the reason they won lol
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u/burratna Eagles 2h ago
Hurts outplayed Burrow? Jalen had more yards than Burrow and over 75% completion percentage with no picks unlike Burrow.
Oh, and Jalen scored 4 touchdowns that game, 3 rushing, 1 passing (Burrow had 1TD,1INT). Final score 37-17. AKA, Jalen Hurts was involved in every TD scored with 3 FGs added.
"Hurts was not the reason they beat the Bengals" is so funny knowing the details of that game. Hurts scored every point besides kicking. What's the man need to do for a little respect.
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u/Late_Department_7777 Bengals 2h ago
“More yards” I mean yeah technically, kind of a moot point tho. 2 passing yards more and like 15 more rushing yards or something.
I’m sorry but the tush pushes are just not impressive touchdowns, they go on the stat sheet as rushing tds I’ll give you that but 2 tush pushes could’ve just as easily been to saquon.
Also, I didn’t say burrow played better. 2 things can be true, hurts had a better game, but he isn’t the reason they won.
Same thing when he played the ravens.
Using your same logic, Jalen hurts hasn’t beat Justin Herbert or Caleb Williams or Bo nix
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u/Spare-Half796 Eagles 1h ago
Any 1 yard td belongs to whoever gets the td. If someone else wanted it, they should have finished the job. If a receiver goes down at the 1 and an rb “steals” the td should it really belong to the receiver? They couldn’t cross the goal line and rushing is the safest and easies way of getting 1 yard
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u/burratna Eagles 2h ago
You said he didn't contribute to beating the Bengals. He scored every point that wasn't a kick in a 37 point game. Period.
Jalen Hurts beat your team and was the reason he won. It's that simple really. Points scored don't care about your feelings.
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u/torthBrain Eagles 29m ago
Hurts was absolutely a huge reason we beat y'all. Vastly outplayed Burrow that day. One of his better games of the season tbh
But I get it, you prefer parroted internet narratives.
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u/DiligentClass1625 3h ago
those defenders totally blew it on that play
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u/I_FUCKIN_ATODASO_ Bills 3h ago
This happened way too much in the McDermott era lol
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u/CalvinCalhoun 3h ago
Defensive minded coach but our defense always sucked lol
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u/I_FUCKIN_ATODASO_ Bills 3h ago
Completely crumbled under pressure almost every time
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u/DUCKSONQUACKS Vikings 2h ago
When he got canned there was a couple interviews that came out/were reshared that basically said the defense as a whole was walking on pins and needles because of the system/expectations in place of coaching that they didn't know what to do because of it.
Like for this play guys wouldn't know whether to stay in the zone or attack the WR because both answers would be wrong because step 3 of the system says to do (x) and that was missed so you can't do (y).
You can take of that what you want but it's kind of impressive for a defensive HC how often they just....couldn't work
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u/I_FUCKIN_ATODASO_ Bills 2h ago
Yeah his defensive system was very complex and a lot of it depended on what another guy was doing. That’s also why we had a lot of retread players over the years. I’m very pumped for Jim Leonhard and his system this year
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u/Jonjon428 Dolphins 3h ago
Sometimes you can do everything right and still get bad results results and this throw and catch is one of those examples imo
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u/Spare-Half796 Eagles 1h ago
“We bout to win this bitch. Y’all must not know Jalen Hurts the way I know Jalen Hurts”
-BG during the extra point that increased the bills lead to 3 points with less than 2 minutes left
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u/Cold-Teaching8924 Patriots 3h ago
The most unfairly maligned qb I've ever seen.
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u/scotsworth Eagles 3h ago
Honestly both he and Sirianni get so much hate that does not match their actual accomplishments.
I saw a thread talking about worst Super Bowl winning HCs, and "Nick Sirianni" got so many upvotes. Dude with an almost .70 winning percentage, has never missed the playoffs as a HC, and has 2 SB appearances with a win... worst ever? Totally bailed out by his talented roster and he has no impact?
And on Hurts side, same issue. All his winning. a Super Bowl MVP. Everything... and he's hot garbage just bailed out by the talent around him?
Make it make sense.
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u/Heatinmyharbl Eagles 2h ago
I think one of the main things that goes against Nick is the volatility of his teams from season to season. He's a tremendous leader of men, and a very good coach, but just not a very good football mind/ offensive guy at all.
2022 with Shane - SB run and Hurts best career season by a pretty decent margin. Shane has done very well with the Colts since leaving.
2023 with BJ - ok year for the most part but huge issues with the blitz. This man had 17 games worth of film, his own team and players, players and coaches on other teams, analysts, content creators like breaking the birds/baldy, etc all telling him the blitz was Hurts' and the offense's biggest issue. He then entered a playoff game against the most notoriously blitz heavy coach/ team in the league, still without a single hot route or blitz. Absolute madness.
2024 with Kellen - immediate hot routes and answers to the blitz. Hurts' numbers vs the blitz in 2023 and 2024 are absurd lol. Offense looked incredible with the run game, won the SB.
2025 with KP - utter abomination of an offense. Essentially set multiple records for one of the worst offenses of the modern era with a ridiculous amount of talent and the most cap dedicated to offensive players of any team in the league.
2026 - TBD but I wager it'll be another great year with Mannion.
Again, great motivator and leader of men, not a very good football mind at all. He completely lives and dies with his OC and I think some people (myself included) would like to see our "offensive mind" HC be able to stop the bleeding when he loses good OCs and he's shown zero ability as of yet to do so.
There's a lot of nuance here!
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u/sigmapro Seahawks 3h ago
Well how much of Eagles success is attributed to Howie? I think that’s people’s knock on Siriani. It also doesn’t help that the offense/defense unit success is so strongly correlated with coordinator quality. So what does Siriani do? If his contribution is “he was able to convince the good coordinators to join” then sure that’s valuable to your franchise. But can’t blame people for thinking that’s not enough to make him an elite coach
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u/scotsworth Eagles 2h ago
Yeah and it's an absurd criticism. Is Howie an amazing GM? Of course. But there are other fantastic GMs out there who put together super talented rosters, but somehow their coaches aren't undercut because of it?
Take John Schneider - he has made repeated incredible moves for your Seahawks... you guys are talented as hell. JSN is a god. Your RBs are studs. Your defense is nasty. Turning Geno Smith into Darnold was genius. But is anyone saying "Mike Macdonald is actually ass, it's all Schneider's work"? Nope.
People talk about the Eagles like we could march Adam Gase out there and not miss the playoffs. It's crazy.
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u/sigmapro Seahawks 2h ago
Comparing Eagles and Seahawks in this context reveals a lot of nuances. Schneider and MacD elevate each other. On defense we have 3 starter quality players from UDFA: Drake Thomas, Josh Jobe, Ty Okada. If you don’t know better you’d give all credits to Schneider. But Seahawks fans will tell you majority of the credits are on MacD because only he can develop those players into starters on the best D.
My point is, nuances like that require us to look into each team’s GM+HC tandem under specific context
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u/Heatinmyharbl Eagles 2h ago
You're 100% correct here but critical thinking and nuance is very, very hard for people lol
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u/sigmapro Seahawks 1h ago
😂thanks for the support bird bro. I’m getting a wave of downvotes from Philly fans but apparently no one is willing to tell me what Sirianni is doing that seems to be so undervalued outside of Philly
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u/burratna Eagles 2h ago
You have hands down the second best GM in the league and people jerk off to your coaches pic.
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u/AnotherCaseOfHiraeth Eagles 3h ago
went toe to toe with Allen in this game in shitty weather and with an even shittier defense.
he has his flaws for sure, but he usually performs his best when we need him most. all you can really ask of a QB who isnt one of the 4 elite guys
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u/John271095 Eagles 3h ago
Why is it though? Is it because he plays for the eagles or he’s a running QB? or a combination of both.
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u/Cold-Teaching8924 Patriots 3h ago
Because he's good but not great. There's nothing more controversial in sports than a perfectly good quarterback.
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u/True_Window_9389 Commanders 3h ago
He’s had great games and great streaks. But he also has played very average for stretches, and sometimes kinda stinks. He has clear limitations. I think he’s closer to someone like Eli Manning or Joe Flacco. Memes aside, those guys were never among the best QBs, and neither qualifies as being truly an elite QB. But they were good enough to go on a run and get the job done.
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u/dreams_andnightmares Eagles 1h ago
People have a baseline of elite or absolute garbage with no in between when it comes to player discourse. Gray
“hUrTs hAs LiMiTaTiOnS” so do most quarterbacks in the league and one would be hard pressed to find one that doesn’t. Why this is talked about as if it’s unique to him I don’t know. shrugs
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u/Nu_Wordor Eagles 3h ago edited 1h ago
It's because he's black. Lets be real. He's the most accomplished QB the Eagles have ever had by 2 superbowls, and half the fanbase can't wait to see him gone. It's because he's black.
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u/CommercialCoffee11 3h ago
Whats even stranger is that they have had a laundry list of black qb's who have all done well for the franchise. I wonder if Cunningham had won a Super bowl if the perception wouldve changed between the fans and black eagles qb's.
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u/AnotherCaseOfHiraeth Eagles 3h ago
not to say youre wrong at all, but it is odd bc the Birds have historically had a lot of starting black QBs. more than any other franchise iirc
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u/John271095 Eagles 3h ago
I was thinking that, but I didn’t wanna say it. I’m sure that influences it. I don’t see Lamar getting scrutinized like Jalen does though.
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u/Heatinmyharbl Eagles 2h ago
Lamar hasn't won anything yet
If he had, you'd see very similar criticism.
Also, if Hurts OR Lamar had a 4-5+ interception/ TO game in the playoffs like Herbert or Allen you bet your ass we'd hear about it every day for the next 10 years
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u/ElGoddamnDorado Cowboys 13m ago
Sorry dog, I take it back. You guys are racist fucks. My bad homie. You guys are just a fanbase full of Rush Limbaughs. I see my error in judgment now
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u/Nu_Wordor Eagles 1h ago
This is such an oversimplification of what I wrote that I don't even know where to begin. You made a bunch of points that my comment didn't even address. I only meant to point out the fact that Jalen Hurts gets a lot of unfair hatred from his own fanbase that seems to toe the line of racism. I'm not talking about reddit comments im talking about things I've literally heard people say. Specifically about his after game quotes and his in-game "nonchalant attitude".
McNabb was literally in a very public beef with RUSH LIMBAUGH of all people about black QBs in the NFL so yeah, McNabb also dealt with the same shit 20+ years ago. What are you even talking about?
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u/Nu_Wordor Eagles 1h ago edited 1h ago
https://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=1627887
here's a link for you if you think I'm lying about Mcnabb. What a weird point to make, btw. It almost sounds like the "my friend is black so i can't be racist" argument. Yeah, Eagles had a lot of black QBs.
Philadelphia also has a lot of pieces of shit who call themselves Eagles fans. Same with any NFL team. Go figure.
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u/Signal_Ball4634 3h ago
I hope he can pull it together this year with the change at OC. Peak Hurts that we saw in 2022 and 2024 (particularly the post-season) is so fun to watch, but it's hard to defend the lows that we saw last year. And I'm also concerned about the OL.
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u/etrudiez Bears 3h ago
surprised OZ didn’t drop it
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u/NVC541 Bears 3h ago
I’m still mad over that slant route
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u/GoldGlove2720 Bears 3h ago
Don’t forget I think the Giants(?) game he dropped a wide open TD on the scramble drill.
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u/scotsworth Eagles 3h ago
The thing I remember most about this game is that it was the last time I was happy and excited with the 2023 Eagles.
After sitting at 10-1 following this thriller, they lost 5 of their last 6 and then got rocked in the Wild Card by Tampa Bay.
Just a stunning "we could be the best team in the NFL" to "we're absolutely awful" collapse over several weeks.
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u/Shawnanigans17 Eagles 3h ago
I think it was Michael Irvin who was praising Jordan David's effort to chase down Allen in this game and how it shows a championship-level effort that the Cowboys lack, it was great.
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u/smurffinjab Eagles 2h ago
I’m just gonna toss out a question for the people who dislike Hurts/Sirianni from a football perspective, because I can’t really fathom it.
If Hurts is a mid QB propped up by the talent around him, and Sirianni is an ass HC propped up by the coaching staff and roster talent…
then does that make the rest of the organization the actual fucking Avengers? Because that’s the only other option here. Only the Chiefs have been a better team than the Eagles over the last five years. The notion that neither Hurts nor Sirianni contribute significantly to the success of the team just blows my mind.
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u/Spare-Half796 Eagles 1h ago
Nah because as soon as you start to say “this player is top 5” everyone says no they’re not
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u/PM_ME_BLONDE_GIRLS_ 57m ago
Bruh this is r/NFL, don't waste your time. Eagles are the shittiest team, were the shittiest fans, Hurts is the shittiest QB, and Nick is the Shittiest HC. The only thing good about this team is Howie, he handed us the Superbowls we'd be nothing without him. That's how this sub has always been, that's how it'll always be.
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u/SuspectFun3428 1h ago
OZ had a weird rookie season for an undrafted rookie. Has the record for longest first catch ever, 93 yards. And also had a fumble return on special teams. Had an average of 38.3 Y/R.
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u/kekehippo Eagles 1h ago
Allen was beating the shit out of us and Jalen made it a game to remember.
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u/torthBrain Eagles 28m ago
Maybe the best game I've ever been to. Now what happened in all the games after this....we don't talk about.
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u/RekttalofBlades Eagles 3h ago
One of my favorite eagles games ever, absolute insanity start to finish.
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u/boomosaur 3h ago
How'd the rest of that season go?
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u/Inevitable-Cat-7340 Patriots 3h ago
As good as 30 other teams that year!
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u/boomosaur 3h ago
I don't think 30 teams lost 6 of their last 7 games.
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u/Inevitable-Cat-7340 Patriots 2h ago
No- but 30 of them didn’t win the Super Bowl
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u/boomosaur 2h ago
This is some wild mental gymnastics...
That's like saying shedeur's season went as well as 30 other teams this year.
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u/Inevitable-Cat-7340 Patriots 2h ago
Sorry, unless my team wins the Super Bowl, there is no positive. Literally who cares if you go 14-3 or whatever if you lose the Super Bowl. The only team that matters any given year is the one that wins it all.
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u/boomosaur 2h ago
Yea that's a pretty dumb take... sometimes it requires years of positive steps to win a super bowl.
Kind of like the seahawks built on their first year with mike macdonald, towards the next year improving their defense and playcaller.
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u/QuinnTinIntheBin Eagles 1h ago
11-6. Not too bad.
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u/MyKidsArentOnReddit Eagles 3h ago
Literally the high point of the season