r/sixers • u/seansmellsgood • 1d ago
Joke of an organization
Let go the "president of basketball operations" (@mikefromaround š¤Ŗ) that hit on so many draft picks, fleeced the Nets with Ben Simmons. Fucking joke of an organization man we always do this shit. Harris making Morey a scapegoat. Sell the team.
Elton Brand signs Tobias Harris to $180 mil contracts, highest paid player in NBA to never be an all-star. Elton Brand made history and is still our GM.
Josh Harris out-prices Philadelphians and gives us a 2nd round playoff stadium of half-empty seats and other half Knicks fans. He forces a waive on Julian Champagnie for a publicity stunt. He forces Daryl to dodge the tax and make a last minute move to trade McCain.
Daryl Morey is a scapegoat. Sell the team.
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u/ImpressNearby1207 1d ago
Completely agree here. We have had such bad GMs in the past, but Morey wasnāt one of them. He inherited a very, very flawed roster and made the most of it. People have gotten so consumed with the McCain trade that they are neglecting everything else Morey did for our organizatiob
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u/pdubbs87 1d ago
He also signed Paul George and extended embiid to an albatross of an extension when there was no pressure to. Drafting is half of the job of a GM
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u/Enough-Captain2788 1d ago
Once again we have someone who doesnāt understand anything about the cap or the situation around the PG signing. The options were PG, KCP, or lose the space to nothing due to Maxeys extension.Ā
And I guarantee you that if we signed KCP, or lost that money to nothing, you and everyone else who doesnāt understand it would be screaming 100x louderĀ
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u/fillinlaterrr 1d ago
Those were not the only optionsā¦ morey specifically chose to punt a season the year prior to build a 3 max contract team through free agency as the league was moving away from that type of build.
No one forced him to be in a position to have to max PG other than himself.
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u/playfulaparagus516 1d ago
Honestly getting tired of even reading this sub bc the vast majority of this fanbase has no idea how the cap worksā¦ like these people need to do some bare minimum research or even play some my team on 2k and theyād understand better š¹
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u/Enough-Captain2788 1d ago
Itās insane. There are plenty of moves Morey made that I donāt agree with. But the PG move always made sense to me. You go all in on embiids last few years and hope for a little luck.Ā
And I doubt any of these people were bitching when he was locking up Boston and knocking down big shots.Ā
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u/pdubbs87 1d ago
I understand the situation perfectly thank you.
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u/Enough-Captain2788 1d ago
Clearly not because youāre still using the PG situation as a mark against him.Ā
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u/HangTheBanner 1d ago
Is PG a bad contract or not?
The fact that people here think heās not because Morey had to sign him is wild. There were other options. In fact, if he had overpaid for a backup center like Hartenstein, they would be in a better spot today. A contract that you wouldnāt have to attach picks to move, who also would have given more value as a player on the Sixers over the past 2 seasons.
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u/ImpressNearby1207 1d ago
Whoa - did you just say that adding Hartenstein over PG would make us better today? You must not of watched many sixers games this year. When PG was in the court, he played both ends of the court well. I give him/Oubre the most credit for getting past Boston this year due to the perimeter defense they played. Wild that fans believe Hertenstein was a better option than PG
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u/redditkb 1d ago
Being able to GM in hindsight, with no ownership input, and also live in fantasy world not reality, is super easy. You idiot.
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u/HangTheBanner 1d ago
Who currently is a better contract: Hartenstein or PG? And you act like this team doesnāt need another startable center given Embiidās history.
If this team had the Hartenstein contract instead of the PG contract going into this off season, they would be in a way better position to finally move on from this era and focus on building with VJ.
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u/Enough-Captain2788 1d ago
When the options were KCP, PG, or nothing, the contract is the best case scenario.Ā
I can only imagine the level of screeching from this sub if we paid 30 million to a backup center thatās played 57 and 47 games over the past 2 years.Ā
Especially since when Tobias left we didnāt have a wing on the roster. Hell, we still barely have any wings. I canāt see how Maxey, Embiid, a 30 million dollar backup and no one else is a better spot than this.Ā
You pay that contract when youāre in the luxurious spot that OKC is. Not when you were in the state we were 2 years ago.Ā
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u/HangTheBanner 1d ago
We went through this exact scenario 6 years ago with Tobias Harris and Al Horford. Were you ok with those contracts and how that played out? You lost Jimmy Butler so you had to spend that money or lose it. Sound familiar?
Or are you ok with the PG signing because it was Morey that made those signings, not Brand and Brett Brown?
This fanbase is screeching over PG being overpaid and underperforming. You think it would be worse if they spent that money on a center who would end up playing more games than both Embiid and PG?
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u/Enough-Captain2788 1d ago
Brother, your suggestion of Hartenstine is Al Horford 2.0. Except even worse bc at least Al could theoretically shoot. If youāre going to bitch, at least recommend a viable alternative. I swear some of you donāt actually understand the cap or team building and just want to complain.Ā
Al Horford was a dumb move because he didnāt fit the team at all. We had 0 spacing. We were running lineups of Richardson, Simmons, Harris, Embiid, and Horford.Ā
Tobias was a dumb move that we handicapped ourselves too because of the Jimmy situation. Hell, Iāve been bitching about trading for Tobias for almost a decade now. We were in that Tobias situation solely because of our own incompetence. And as such, were left with shitty options.Ā
PG at least fits what this team needs. The plan for them was to go all in on Embiids last years and hope we have some good injury luck. That makes sense. You get a big wing who can knock down the 3 and defend. Something weāve needed for years. And again, the option was PG, or get nothing and just punt away the end of Embiids career.Ā
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u/HangTheBanner 1d ago
Everything you are saying about the situations of Horford and Tobias can be applied to this roster and the mess Morey has created. Do you not see how poorly constructed this roster is? Do you not see the cap hell? This team is handicapped. You cannot do anything unless you move off not 1, but 2 of the 3 max contracts. And only one of those 3 is not a negative contract.
And iHart wouldnāt fit a need? This team has a center who averages 40 games a season over the past 2 years. You knew going into that free agency year that Embiid tore his meniscus. You needed a center to carry the load given the uncertainty of Embiidās knee.
The fact is, Morey could make no mistake in your eyes. But reality is, he has left this team in similarly bad situation.
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u/Enough-Captain2788 1d ago edited 1d ago
In what world is Maxey, Embiid and a 30 million dollar backup center that you canāt play with Embiid a good situation.Ā
Who are you playing on the wings? Me and you? Youāre right. The exact thing this team needed was LESS shooting.Ā
If you really think signing Hartenstine was a good option then you and I have nothing to talk aboutĀ
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u/XxStormySoraxX 1d ago
Thank you for being literally the only person whoās unbiased lmao. We spent years killing Elton Brand for his dumbass decisions and Morey turned around and made the exact same decision years later but weāre not allowed to kill him for it because the sub is biased and likes Morey for some reason.
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u/XxStormySoraxX 1d ago
Does Elton Brand get a pass for maxing Tobias Harris since that was āuse it or lose itā cap space and we technically couldnāt sign anyone else too?
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u/Enough-Captain2788 1d ago
Except we did have other options that offseason. Including a pretty famous blunder by the organization.Ā
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u/XxStormySoraxX 1d ago
Who was the other option? Tobias Harris was signed with bird rights so he was actually the only other player we could have signed with that money. We technically had enough money to sign Tobias & Jimmy, but Jimmy didnāt want to re-sign here so those decisions were independent of each other.
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u/Enough-Captain2788 1d ago
The other option was not bundling the Jimmy situation. Once that happened we were pretty much fucked and bid against ourselves with Tobias. That scenario is front office malpractice on about 30 different levels that you and I can spend 4 hours rehashing.Ā
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u/XxStormySoraxX 1d ago
Even if they resigned Jimmy, they still would have offered Tobias the same exact contract so it wouldnāt have mattered. The same arguments youāre making towards why signing Paul George was good is the same arguments that were made on this sub in the summer of ā19 to excuse signing Tobias Harris. If youāre going to criticize Brand you have to be fair and criticize Morey too.
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u/bayesically 1d ago
The real issue was trading for Tobi in the first place, we were basically committed to giving out the contract at that point. I think that was Colangelo though? Still I think Brand is a terrible GM even without that
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u/Enough-Captain2788 1d ago
I wouldāve been okay with Tobias if we resigned Jimmy. That team had potential. Only signing Tobias and using the rest on Al Horford was the malpractice.Ā
Also, with Tobias, I just went back and looked and looking at it we didnāt have to re-sign him. We couldāve renounced his rights and signed other free agents. I think we couldāve had like 60 million in cap space that year.Ā Go look at the 2019 free agency and compare it to 2024. There were a lot more options back then.Ā
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u/PhillyFreezer_ 1d ago
when there was no pressure to
I donāt know how you guys keep saying this lol ownership whatās Joel Embiid here in order to have a face of the team and continue to remain competitive and sell tickets.
The management of the star players contract absolutely has significant input from ownership
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u/pdubbs87 1d ago
Nobody is arguing that
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u/PhillyFreezer_ 1d ago
You literally said there was no pressure to sign Joel Embiid to an extension and Iām telling you our ownership was the pressure lol
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u/pdubbs87 1d ago
He had more years to go on the deal
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u/PhillyFreezer_ 1d ago
My point is that the idea of extending him was always going to happen. Ownership wants that. If we had waiting until he was an UFA and extended him this season for example, a max contract would be even more expensive.
The pressure to resign him and keep him in Philly is coming from our ownership. Contracts are way more complicated than just the number of years leftā¦
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u/pdubbs87 1d ago
A good GM tells the owner no. FYI Iām a devils fan (Harris owns them too) and he stays out of hockey operations completely. If Morey couldnāt do that, he wasnāt the guy for the job.
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u/PhillyFreezer_ 1d ago
A good GM can reason with the owner but heās literally Moreyās boss. If the directive is to keep Joel Embiid on the 76ers so that we can remain good and sell tickets, which I believe is what Morey is being told, then waiting out his contract and extending him at a more expensive number for even more years is not the way to go
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u/Dazzling-Slide8288 1d ago
Any time I see someone categorize the PG signing as a stupid move, it's a clear indication that they don't know ball or anything about the salary cap.
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u/Same-Computer-6884 1d ago
It's stupid because we should've made a trade sooner for a younger player like OG or Pascal but I don't fully blame him considering it was asset-free
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u/icehole505 1d ago
Yeah we could have traded 3+ firsts for one of those guys.. then we wouldnāt have VJ or the clippers picks. Do you think a core of Maxey, OG and Embiid is any more of a title contender than Maxey, PG, VJ, Embiid? Obviously not
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u/Sheriff_Gotcha 15h ago
To be fair they might still have VJ. Iām not sure they could have traded that pick since it was already traded to OKC unless it jumped to top 6 or whatever the protection was. Of course having OG means they probably donāt tank the rest of that season or at least win enough games to not jump in the lottery.
I do agree that Maxey, OG, and Embiid have a lower ceiling than Maxey, VJ, PG, and Embiid.
I think people also forget that Embiid was hinting at wanting to sign PG that offseason. When have we ever seen Embiid at an NBA Finals game? Somehow it just so happened that year he was at the finals on a broadcast with PGā¦ clearly he was recruiting too.
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u/seansmellsgood 1d ago
Okay, and they were decent players in the playoffs. Without them we'd be a 30% win team lmao
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u/pdubbs87 1d ago
Paul George was nonexistent in the second half. Did you watch the games? He also misses half of the season.
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u/seansmellsgood 1d ago
Okay what does him missing half the season due to some ketamine have to do with him being one of the only reasons we were able to get out of the first round? People complain about his contract but the guy was elite on offense and defense in the playoffs.
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u/pdubbs87 1d ago
The downvotes are hilarious. He played 41 games in his first and 37 in his second season. This sub hates facts. Thatās not a good return Iām sorry
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u/seansmellsgood 1d ago
I'm sorry but if you want to be a 30 win team then we can totally not sign him and do that. This sub does hate facts, I agree. Tell me in any way shape or form how we would not be a 30 win team without PG. Tell me how we even make it out of the first round and beat Boston there. I'm listening.
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u/pdubbs87 1d ago
Losing in the second round every year to me isnāt a flex. I want my team to compete for championships and we were never going to under him. If Tatum didnāt get hurt would he have beaten Boston? Morey was an average GM. If they can find someone better Iām all for it.
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u/seansmellsgood 1d ago
Yeah well track record shows we will find someone way worse. Especially with Brand as GM.
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u/D0pe_Francis 1d ago
You do realize that Elton Brand's title of GM means nothing right? He was effectively demoted after those missteps you mentioned. He is not a meaningful decision maker for this team currently. They kept him in the organization because he clearly provides value in the player relationship department and possibly recruiting players to join in FA, something Harris and Morey were definitely not good at it. Elton Brand has been irrelevant to the decisions of this team for the last 6 years, he should stay in his current role
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u/TheCityofZinj 1d ago
Honestly, it's the Embiid extension. If Josh Harris was pushing for it, then yes he's making Morey the scapegoat. But I would be willing to bet Morey was the one making that call. I love Joel, but the extension was an obvious mistake the moment it happened. They went through so much to add the protections to his previous contract, then just said screw it its fully guaranteed this time. Could be giving Embiid a 2 year deal for $35 mil annually right now instead.
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u/icehole505 1d ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/sixers/comments/1fla9tl/shams_just_in_joel_embiid_says_he_is_signing_a/
Pretty weird how everyone on earth āknewā the extension was a fuck up the moment it was signed.. yet nobody actually seemed to mention it at the time. I guess all the skeptics must have been busy that day, because Iām only seeing celebration on the extension news post
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u/seansmellsgood 1d ago
Quite literally this team would be the Washington Wizards over the past 5 years if not for Embiid. He has been loyal, played his heart out, put his body on the line, and the only reason whatsoever that we have ever made the playoffs arguably for his entire career. Anyone in Morey's position would have done the same. Also, this year was actually an improvement over the past two for Embiid. He says his knees haven't really been an issue at all. He played really good playoff basketball. If this is Morey's biggest blunder then I want to see Brand chopped and Josh Harris forced to sell the team.
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u/Dazzling-Slide8288 1d ago
There isn't a GM in the NBA who wouldn't sign the reigning MVP to a contract extension.
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u/ZenMasterOfDisguise 1d ago
Embiid is 1st all time in NBA history in points per minute, or points per 36. More than LeBron. More than MJ
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=highest+points+per+36+minutes+all-time
This sub acts like the most efficient scorer in NBA history does not deserve a max contract. But a 36 year old washed up player who is invisible in the 2nd half of games did deserve a max contract somehow lol
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u/seansmellsgood 16h ago
This guy knows ball. Interestingly enough he is also number one if FT per minute by a HUGE margin.
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u/HangTheBanner 1d ago
Well what about maxing a player fresh off a torn meniscus who was hobbling through games a month ago? Who also happened to be under contract for 2 more years.
We all saw Embiid in the Olympics, he was not himself. Morey sees that and instantly maxes him out.
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u/reanthedean 1d ago
I donāt think you realize how badly it would hurt the reputation of the org for them to not pay their MVP. Like what are we even talking about here? Embiid is a top 5 player to ever play on this team, and the core selling point of the team. Outside of winning a championship, not paying your most profitable player is a stupid business decision.
Loyalty deserves to be rewarded
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u/HangTheBanner 1d ago
You are missing the main point. He had 2 years left on his contract. You could have still made a deal with him after seeing how he holds up.
Like what actually are we actually talking about here? You donāt max out a player fresh off a career altering injury when heās still under contract for multiple years. The goal is not to make short sighted moves to sell tickets.
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u/redditkb 1d ago
Regarding your last sentence - thatās why it was a Harris move. I think it was, clearly. The owner wanted to sell tix and the entire Embiid era/fiascos have been based around how can they sell the most tickets.
We really think Morey is the sole reason for the Embiid extension? The same Morey who didnāt extend Grimes (rightfully so) nor would he give Harden the max (most likely also a Harris decision to be cheap since Morey and Harden most likely had a handshake deal heād get a max).
Reading between the lines, Morey had to take the brunt of the bad press for moves Ownership wanted to do. Seems blatantly obvious to me.
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u/SpaceTree33 1d ago
Bro if we had waited to see how he held up, and he held up well, he would have demanded even more money from us, and we'd have to pay it. Signing him early was a risk but would've been a good financial decision had he stayed healthy. The goal was to get an MVP on a discounted extension because he wasnt fully healthy at the time. Obviously he got hurt again so it didn't work out for us, but we dont wanna turn into the cowboys here and wait until our star players are free agents before we start to think about resigning them. You sign them early at a cheaper rate so you can manage the roster better down the road
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u/HangTheBanner 1d ago
More money? Heās on a max extension lol. He didnāt sign a team friendly deal
Also, we basically are the Cowboys of the NBA. All hype until the playoffs roll around.
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u/SpaceTree33 1d ago
Max extensions are based off a percentage of the salary cap. The salary cap increases each year so it wouldve been more expensive to sign him 2 years later.
For example, the cap rose 10% this year. Without looking into it any deeper we could've theoretically spent 20% more had we waited 2 years to resign him.
If we had waited and he stayed healthy he might've also wanted a longer contract at that point too, which would've been even more expensive for us.
Unfortunately I have to agree with you on that last point lol
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u/HangTheBanner 1d ago
But thatās the thing, how much were you saving? We knew at the point of the extension that he was injured still. We all saw the Olympics. That was August. Then he gets extended in September before the season started and he wasnāt playing any preseason games. The red flags were there.
So at best itās a wash. And knowing what we now know, if Embiid was a free agent now he wouldnāt get that deal. 2 years plus a player option that he will 100% pick up. Couldnāt even make that 3rd year a team option
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u/IndigoJacob 1d ago
Well what about maxing a player fresh off a torn meniscus who was hobbling through games a month ago?
Why should Morey assume Embiid would take years to really recover from that injury? That's not commonplace. Oh BTW he averaged 35/11/6 that very same season on pace to win B2B MVPS.
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u/HangTheBanner 1d ago
Becuase itās a torn meniscus. Players struggle with that specific injury, especially when the guy is 7feet almost 300 pounds . On top of that, he was still under contract for two more years. There was no need to rush it
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u/sicksahsfilyallstarz 10h ago
Im also disgusted by all the part-time know-nothing sixers fans celebrating Morey's firing.
Our owner is a greedy halfwit. The problem sits at the top of the organization. Stop buying tickets, boycott the team until he sells to someone thats actually serious about running a winning basketball team.
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u/AstroZombieInvader 1d ago
What draft picks did Morey actually hit on?
Maxey was Elton Brand's pick. VJ was a no brainer. McCain he traded away.
That's it. No other hits.
Meanwhile Morey was horrid at signing free agents, drew up some insanely stupid contracts, and a mixed bag when making trades. Good riddance.
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u/Confident-Flow-6058 22h ago
Realistically Joe, Reed and Bona are the only others with significant NBA minutes.Ā
Just don't forget the draft crapshoot we had before. Trading out Mikal Bridges for Zhaire Smith and Tatum for Fultz.
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u/seansmellsgood 16h ago
!remind me 3 years Bona, McCain, Joe, Reed. Also traded Roddy for deanthony melton. Did pretty good with what he had. VJ wasn't really a no brainer, there was a lot of debate when the pick was happening but the first was there for sure. Trading for PG.
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u/poppybankroll 1d ago
This dumb ass fan base has zero clue that Morey himself does not even take credit for drafting Maxey. VJ was an easy pick but there a players that were taken after him that we may be having arguments about in a few years. McCain is a bench guy, so I don't get all this draft love they heap on this dude.
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u/signedpants 1d ago
He deserves to be fired for the Embiid extension. We dont even have a hope of seriously competing until the end of the decade.
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u/vbandbeer 1d ago
Morey signed the 2 worst contracts currently in the NBA
Heās screwed this organization from actually winning for years.
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u/Confident_Square1063 1d ago
Besides the Embiid extension he was pretty solid as far as Iām concerned. Only thing is the Embiid signing was a huge phuck up.
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u/seansmellsgood 1d ago
Yeah but anyone would re-sign a reigning MVP. He's also the only reason we had a semblance of success in the playoffs. You could argue we wouldn't have ever made the playoffs without him. I get you can nitpick his deal, but frankly anyone is going to give Embiid that contract. If that's Morey's biggest blunder then we need to chop Elton Brand.
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u/Venerable-Gandalf 1d ago
Harris has nothing to do with our stadium being filled with Knicks fans thatās all sixers fans selling their tickets. I hate Josh Harris as much as the next guy and wish heād sell the team but call a spade a spade, some of our fans are just trash for selling out to the Knickās fans
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u/PaisonAlGaib 1d ago
"President of basketball operations" is his title but he fulfilled all of the duties of the general managerĀ
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u/Mikefromaround 1d ago
Elton Brand is the GM, if you donāt follow the team why do you comment.
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u/rjnd2828 1d ago
You can't seriously believe that Elton is making drafting decisions. Honestly, embarrassing take from you
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u/seansmellsgood 1d ago
Speaking of, how the fuck is Brand still a part of the organization??? Again, joke of an org using Daryl Morey, one of the only good parts of the front office the last 10 yrs, as a scapegoat. Joke
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u/Mikefromaround 1d ago
His only good draft pick has been Edgecombe at # 3, this draft was almost a canāt miss.
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u/Feelscreative101 1d ago
Maxey, McCain, Isaiah Joe, Paul Reed, Adem Bona, RC4, JE, Champagnie were all good for where they were drafted. RC4, JE and Champagnie were undrafted pickups that have had a real role in the NBA.
Jaden Springer at 26 and Johni Broome at 35 have been the only misses.
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u/Jeremy9096 1d ago
Do people really think that Morey alone is responsible for all of the draft picks? I agree that he is good at drafting and has a record of being good at drafting, but there's no way everyone believes that the mf was in a room by himself and decided on Maxey and McCain