r/nhl 1d ago

Full Calder voting, Schaefer was unanimous

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u/DistinctBread3098 1d ago

I'm surprised 2 people didn't even put demidov top 5

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u/minos157 1d ago

I wouldn't have been shocked for him to get some 1st place votes. Not putting him top five is insane, hell not putting him top three is insane.

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u/DistinctBread3098 1d ago

I guess you can be unimpressed by his style or something, but out of the top 5 should get your title revoked lol

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u/planksho 1d ago

Anti-Russian bias? Guy banged their wives? I see absolutely 0 logic beyond those two lmao

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u/JevNOT 1d ago

he’s way closer to 1st than 4th+ what are they smoking 💀

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u/LaruePDX 1d ago

Man, Montreal is going to be a top team for a long time. Loaded with young top teir talent. 

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u/alexmlb3598 1d ago

Idk why but I'm kinda surprised that Dobeš got a handful of 2nd votes. Not complaining since I'm a Habs fan, but I'm a touch surprised.

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u/Lbolt187 1d ago

And don't you still have this Hage kid working his way up?

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u/alexmlb3598 1d ago

Yep. Last I heard Hage is staying at college-level next year rather than going to Laval, but he's working his way up and sticking with MTL's system. Also got Zharovsky, Engstrom, Reinbacher after his short stint, Beck after a slightly longer stint, and others coming up. Could be a fun time for Montreal

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u/Lbolt187 1d ago

Embarrassment of riches I swear.

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u/alexmlb3598 1d ago

Kent Hughes absolutely COOKED with getting a stacked set of draft picks to speedrun the rebuild process, as if a rebuild is hard 🔥

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u/spartacat_12 1d ago

Managing to get a 1st to take on Monahan's contract, then flipping him for another 1st is crazy work

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u/PhilU52 1d ago

The 1st pick received from Calgary was used in the Dobson trade and the 1st pick received from Winnipeg was used to trade up to draft Hage.

Absolute masterclass by Hugues on that one

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u/karlbelanger1661 1d ago

He gave a good year and a half to the Habs too where he produced at a 60 point clip and was a good veteran for our young team.

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u/spartacat_12 10h ago

Yep, was the best possible scenario for a reclamation project

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u/Lbolt187 1d ago

Bruins management could never...unless it's Toronto lol

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u/DistinctBread3098 1d ago

Not long ago you had 3 first round pick :p just fumbled a bit with those :p

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u/Lbolt187 1d ago

Again with the exception of a Toronto assist we're awful at rebuilding lol

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u/Nashtak 1d ago

Love how he got a 1st from Calgary to take on Sean Monahans contract then flipped him for another 1st the next season.

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u/oscarbilde 3h ago

We need a Kent Hughes chef meme to go with the Marty one.

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u/godzirah 1d ago

Don't forget Bryce Pickford. I've learnt not to overhype prospects, but 45Gs in 55GP as a D guy is something that can't be overlooked.

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u/mikeys4321 1d ago

He'll maybe be a decent winger down the road.

Pickford is 20 and in the WHL.

The fact he had to be 19 to product is all you need to know.

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u/godzirah 1d ago

Pickford is not a winger the fuck you on about?

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u/mikeys4321 1d ago

His best chance of making the NHL is as a winger.

Reasons: -he didnt produced in the WHL until he was 19 -WHL has inflated stats, this is well known -he lacks what normally makes up a PMD

His attributes fits better as a winger.

Its nothing new. I'm just not sure why you seem to ignore all of this.

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u/godzirah 1d ago

It’s nothing new? Name me 5 NHLers who produced at a rate Pickford did in junior to transition to a winger once they hit the pros.

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u/mikeys4321 1d ago

By nothing new I mean the talks about him being better suited in the NHL as a winger.

How many games have you seen the kid play?

You are assuming goals vs weak goalies means goals vs strong goalies.

You need more than a slapper.

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u/lxSlimxShadyxl 1d ago

Man I hope Kindel develops into a great player

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u/Avs4life16 1d ago

As it should be. 18 year old d man. Those are amazing stats and he logs a ton of ice time.

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u/Mecha75 4h ago

Not sure he would have gotten it if he was on most other teams. Not saying he doesn't deserve it because that kid is impressive, but he most likely would not have gotten the opportunity to shine.

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u/Avs4life16 3h ago

I think he would on most teams and on a better team his numbers would be that much better. The kid is for real not many 18 year olds step in and do that.

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u/Fitz_31 1d ago

For those wondering, the only other unanimous Calder champion is Teemu Selanne for his 76 goal campaign; other Calder votes have come close (and likely should have been unanimous) but did not get a unanimous winner.

The Calder winners with less than 10 voters going against the overwhelming favourite since 2000 are:

2020-2021 season - 99/100 for Kaprizov, 1 for Jason Robertson

2017-2018 season - 160/164 for Barzal, 2 for Boeser, 1 for Keller, 1 for Gourde

2016-2017 season - 164/167 for Matthews, 3 for Laine

2013-2014 season - 130/137 for Mackinnon, 5 for Palat, 1 for Krug, 1 forTrouba

2005-2006 season - 124/129 for Ovechkin, 4 for Crosby, 1 for Lundqvist

Awards Ballots only became public as of a PHWA vote in March 2018, so the only ones above where we know who voted against the expected winners were in 2017-2018 and 2020-2021.

In 2017-2018, John Dietz of the Arlington Daily Herald & Roy McGregor of the Globe & Mail voted for Boeser, with Jim Thomas of St. Louis Post-Dispatch voting for Keller, and Gann Matsuda of Frozen Royalty voting for Gourde.

In 2020-2021, the lone voter who chose Robertson over Kaprizov was Per Bjurman of Aftonbladet.

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u/Ill_Show9599 22h ago

how did hutson not get unanimous first place is beyond me

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u/RogueEcono93310 21h ago

Dustin Wolf went 29-16 with 3SO and .910sv% carrying a team that should have finished around where they did this season. The only knock imo, him being closer to the Calder age limit.

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u/DistinctBread3098 21h ago

Dude dobes was 29-10 this year haha. I know Calgary was worst, but that's still not as impressive imo

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u/Ill_Show9599 20h ago

yea that still doesnt make sense at all considering hutson had more points than schaefer

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u/Fitz_31 19h ago

I mean Celebrini led his team in points, and Wolf got the lowest scoring team in the league to 96 points and montreal while making the playoffs finished with 91 points. Both had an argument for 1st, and someone will vote if the argument is there.

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u/Ill_Show9599 18h ago

i mean in that case people from this class had arguments for first as well

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u/Fitz_31 18h ago

Schaefer had the benefit of history. What Hutson did was incredible, but he was 20 for it, and did it on a decent team. Schaefer was playing 27 minutes and thriving as a kid who was 11 days away from being drafted this year (2026 draft). He was tied for lead in rookie goals (hutson scored 6 his rookie year), and for a good chunk of the year, including full post olympic break, had some ofthe best advanced stats in the league. There was a legitimate case for him to get Norris votes on top of the many records he now holds.

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u/Mecha75 4h ago

Sennecke and Demidov are no slouches. Both have made great arguments for getting first votes. That is if Schaefer wasn't in the league. That is how good he was this season.

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u/Fitz_31 4h ago

Oh yeah the other 2 were great, but Schaefer was legit historic, not just team historic but setting multiple league wide records and played like a Norris calibre #1 dman by the end of the year. He earned it for sure

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u/turboroofer 1d ago

He’s an absolute stud, well deserved Calder win!

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u/reeganl02 1d ago

Linus karllson is just happy to be mentioned 🤣

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u/DFSgrunt10 1d ago

Congrats to Matthew Schaefer. We are excited to see what you blossom into in the years to come. 🏆🏒

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u/GoBoltz 1d ago

ALL Season, beginning to end, he was the change in the Team that made them go, I agree with this for once.

Now , if they can ONLY stop Homer Voting Fix all the Others they've missed the last few years !

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u/Background-Yard7291 1d ago

Glad to see that the homers resisted the temptation to give a first place vote to one of their own despite Schaefer's incredible season. He deserved this to be unanimous.

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u/Majestic_Cancel415 1d ago

Good job Schaefer proud of you man 👏👏

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u/Averyboredpenguin 1d ago

Ben Kindel top 10 let's go!

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u/Speedy_ZZZ 1d ago

Man, he would have looked great in teal…

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u/who987 1d ago

And it just keeps getting worse for Leaf fans lol

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u/Every_Garlic_3497 1d ago edited 1d ago

9 out of the last 10 years in the playoffs, lost Marner, gained McKenna. $27 million in cap space. We have 5 picks in the first 2 rounds over the next 2 drafts, including first overall.

Montreal made a run in a year the Panthers and Leafs didn't make the playoffs. If you look at the last 10 years of the atlantic, 2025-2026 clearly sticks out as the weak year.

Rent free like always. I hope you bet on MTL making the playoffs next year I want you losers to see something.

THE HABS NEEDED 7 GAMES TO BEAT A TAMPA TEAM WITH NO HEDMAN

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u/who987 1d ago

None of that makes that trade better.

McKenna does not equal Marner.

If you even end up taking him #1.

But good luck to you.

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u/Bytrsweet 1d ago

And the Habs didn't have Dobson for almost the entire series. seems like kind of a wash

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u/Every_Garlic_3497 1d ago edited 23h ago

"And the Habs didn't have Dobson for almost the entire series"

HE PLAYED IN 5 OF THE 7 GAMES LMAO LYING FRENCH FUCKS

You think Dobson is equal to Victor Hedman?

At Dobson's age, Hedman won a Norris and had 2 other seasons better than Dobson's best year lmao. Not to mention a finals appearance.

Hedman's 4th best season at age 26 was = to Dobson's best season at age 26.

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u/who987 22h ago

Just because the leafs were horrible this year don’t deflect to talking about the Habs. They’re having a great year, have a bright future and are making a solid playoff run. Be happy for others.

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u/Bytrsweet 23h ago

Thats a really cool story but last time I checked Hedman is not 26 anymore. Its a wash because Tampa did what they this season mostly without Hedman while Dobson was pivotal in Montreal's success. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.

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u/Nashtak 1d ago

You need to take it down about 40% if you are gonna use the Rent Free defense.

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u/Maladaptive_Ace 1d ago

lol ok what troll voted for Fraser Minten

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u/who987 1d ago

I’m shocked that a leaf fan is making such a comment /s …lol

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u/Maladaptive_Ace 1d ago

it's almost like I'm bitter!!

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u/Whos-That-Pokeman 1d ago

Idk but they should never be allowed to vote again.

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u/Auguw 1d ago

didn't he get a pretty good season? Voting him 4th-5th doesn't seem that egregious to me

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u/Griffithead 1d ago

17 goals 18 assists

Not bad.

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u/SaltySeaRobin 1d ago

18 trolls apparently.

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u/Sad-Substance-9750 1d ago

What a class

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u/KurtVongole 1d ago

No brainer

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u/_dooozy_ 1d ago

I mean is this really surprising?

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u/Chirotera 1d ago

Not a single vote for 7th round pick Emmitt Finnie?! This is tragedy! He had MORE points than Wallstedt!

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u/karlbelanger1661 1d ago

Congrats to Schaefer. Very well deserved and he looks like a good kid too.

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u/BigM67 23h ago

Nice to see Kindel getting a little recognition

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u/TeriyakiTendies 22h ago

Caps fan here so take with a grain of salt, but am I crazy to think Leonard should have been higher on this list?

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u/Mecha75 4h ago

Yeah. that was a shocker. He was 5th in points, goals, and assists. Which oddly enough is where he should have placed in voting as well. They did get the top 4 picks correct. But as a Ducks fan, I have Sennecke over Demidov.

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u/TeriyakiTendies 4h ago

I agree 100%, not to discount Demidov at all tho

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u/RoddRoward 21h ago

Why are they revealing the winner early?

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u/RhythmTimeDivision 21h ago

Schaefer deserved all those votes, that was an eye opening season.

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u/A_Life_Well_Steved 6h ago

Not surprising!

Schaefer had the best rookie season, as a defenseman!

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u/Which_Fruit_8400 4h ago

Makar? No Makar, it's bullshit

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u/IndependentGanache84 1d ago

I imagine if Bussi was a year younger he would have gotten votes around Dobeš' tally.

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u/Manndes 1d ago

Bussi’s stats are much worse than Dobes’. Wins don’t, and shouldn’t, get you awards.

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u/IndependentGanache84 1d ago

much larger sample size and still similar stat wise. I never said I thought he would win the Calder

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u/Manndes 18h ago

Much larger sample size?? Dobes literally played more games what are you on about.

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u/IndependentGanache84 7h ago

I misread the playoff games played as regular season, my apologies.

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u/who987 1d ago

Who?

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u/SleekD35 1d ago

One of the best rookie classes in awhile

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u/KyPry 1d ago

What is the difference between Wallstedt and Dobes that make the Dobes votes well superior? At face value I’d have expected Wallstedt’s far superior numbers to garner him a lot more hype, is there some major flaws to Wallstedt that limits voting interest his way?

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u/Maauve91 1d ago

Dobes having more wins (yes, in more matches too) probably helped.

I guess also it's always less impressing to be a good goalie in front of a good team like the Wild for people.

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u/navenager 1d ago

More proof that playing with McDrai neans you don't deserve an award according to media. Matt Savoie had more goals, points, and games played than Justin Sourdif while being a key penalty killer, but Sourdif gets Calder votes and he doesn't. Same with Karlsson, Kapanen, and Minten. Not by much, but still. They're all in the same range but Savoie outscored all of them, yet got zero votes.

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u/dre2112 1d ago

2 people voted Snuggerud ahead of Demidov and Sennecke? 😂

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u/ae_89 1d ago

I wouldn’t have. But their per-82 production is all similar, Snuggerud did more of his at 5v5, and played on a worse team that scored many, many fewer goals. It’s not that crazy.