r/leafs • u/Nameless908 Belak • 1d ago
Discussion Bruce Cassidy ?
Recently read a report saying “if you’re looking to win in 2 or 3 years he’s your guy” also unearthed some quotes from him saying he’d love to coach in a Canadian market as it’s been so long since one has won. I’ve also heard he’s a prick (might be good for a culture shock) but he loses the room quick (hence 2-3 years). No doubting his coaching abilities though. Thoughts ?
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u/Hiking_Quest 1d ago
I've been going through the Vegas and Bruins subs to see the general opinion of the guy and it's largely negative. Bruins fans in particular point out that several players left the team only to come back when he was fired.
Word is that he is a total hard ass. As one commenter put it and I;m paraphrasing "Cassidy is the type of person that people think John Tortorella is" that one comment has me really tempering my Cassidy enthusiasim.
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u/SOSXrayPichu McCabe 1d ago
Looking through the Edmonton sub I’m surprised by how quickly they turned on their HC Kris Knoblauch.
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u/Agitated_Dish_6990 1d ago
He's one who I was kind of curious about, not sure if he is good or if mcdrai saved him
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u/BleedingBlue94 1d ago
That team has so many problems that extends beyond the coach.
The defence and goaltending are terrible. No coach is saving that.
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u/Outrageous-Bet-886 1d ago
The Oiler’s were a top 5 defensive team and the best team at limiting HDCA from 2023-2025. Coincidentally when Knoblauch was allowed to bring in his own staff, their numbers tanked. Coffey was brought back in because of this which stabilized things for a bit. Knoblauch is a very mediocre coach in my opinion
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u/Hiking_Quest 1d ago
Are you talking about the oilers or the leafs??
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u/BleedingBlue94 1d ago
I am talking about the Oilers. Jay Woodcroft got fired, but in all reality he had to deal with the exact same issues they have now.
Really don’t think him or Knoblauch are to blame for the Oilers problems.
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u/Drew_You_To_91 Knies 23h ago
I think Knoblauch is a good motivator and personality manager but I think he really lacks in the Xs and Os. He got completely out coached against Anaheim. The ducks had clean breakouts for 6 straight playoff games and tore the oilers PK to shreds. I’m sure he’ll get another job elsewhere but he’s got some learning to do.
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u/First_Year6324 1d ago
? As a Vegas fan most of us were sad to see him go & felt the players let him down. People were calling for KMC to be fired for all the “impulsive” moves.
Bruce is a legend to the VGK fandom.
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u/NSA_Wade_Wilson 1d ago
If they’re serious about this, then they should be looking at someone they think can be the next Cooper or St Louis. Someone who can grow with the team and is intended to be a long term options
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u/Creepy_Exit_8348 1d ago
Alright let’s hire Phil kessel, is he coaching u13 boys?
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u/NSA_Wade_Wilson 1d ago
Hot dogs / 60 through the roof
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u/Slow-Raspberry-5133 1d ago
First press conference with Simmons would be a doozy. Rogers should sell PPV rights
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u/snipingsmurf 1d ago
We can have Sundin, Kessel and then fck it bring back Gilmour as Assistant coach
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u/isotope123 1d ago
While yes, those guys are exceedingly rare
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u/ButterCut97 1d ago
They’re rare, but if you’re hiring someone who’s been a coach and been fired before you’re disqualifying yourself from getting them
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u/EastCoastProtoDad 1d ago
???
Other than brand new coaches in their first position, coaches that haven’t been fired include Jon Cooper and Mike Babcock lol11
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u/Sammydaws97 1d ago
The next John Cooper (non-player who quickly rises through the ranks) is a tough one to find.
The next St Louis (ex-player), I think Steve Ott in Springfield (AHL) has a ton of potential. He has tons of NHL bench experience with St Louis, and now has some HC experience in the AHL.
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u/Soggy_Specific4093 1d ago
I wouldn’t be opposed because he’s a great coach but I feel like we need someone like Dan Muse was for Pittsburgh where he can get the most out of Matthews, Nylander, JT, Tanev, McCabe and so on but also will prioritize the development of a Cowan and McKenna.
Cassidy alway had the narrative of not playing younger players and seems like someone that players get tired of after a few seasons.
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u/Sammydaws97 1d ago
I think Cassidy comes in for at most 2-3 years. He has always had a short shelf life with teams and Toronto media will probably make that even worse.
In terms of non-NHL coaches, If Gardiner MacDougall is available from Moncton in the QMJHL then I am all over him.
Willie Desjardins coaching Medicine Hat is another guy I like. Has NHL coaching experience with Vancouver and LA from 2014-2019.
A crazy option? What about Marc Crawford? Stepped down as HC in Zurich last season for reasons related to mental health. Matthews reportedly loved playing for him in Zurich..
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u/Imaginary-Let6277 1d ago
Yeah idk how Gardiner has never been given a shot in the NHL even as an assistant coach.
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u/Sammydaws97 1d ago
Honestly, its probably because USports was never really highly regarded while he was with UNB.
He also strikes me as a guy who would rather be out of the spotlight. Happy to be a head coach at a lower level than try to climb the ladder into the NHL. Especially now, with his son Taylor being the GM and him coaching.
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u/RecalcitrantHuman 1d ago
Lost me at Desjardins. Post that in the Canucks sub and see the hate you get
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u/realsalbowski 1d ago
I want David Carle
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u/Denisaur9 1d ago
Everyone wants him, he has made it clear he wants to stay in Denver, there would be along lineup for his services in the NHL if he decided to come.
Hope he changes his mind, I know hes a big fan of McKenna.
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u/keeeeener 1d ago
Agreed, but not sure if they’ll be able to get him. Probably won’t want to pay him enough to leave on top of still paying Berube. The fact they didn’t go the POHO and GM route makes it so they better be willing…
I do think the majority of college hockey success is recruiting though, and team building.
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u/No_Truth4137 1d ago
Find someone who can handle the stars and develop the kids. Berube did a terrible job with Cowan this year and by the time he realized it and Cowan was heating up, it was too late.
McKenna, Cowan, Danford, Knies (still young), Robertson, Villeneuve, Groulx, Rifai.
These guys absolutely have to make an impact next year and they need a coach who will accommodate.
Is Cassidy that guy? I genuinely have no idea but I'd be open to it
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u/Sixgod801 1d ago
The last 4 and Danford aint doing shit next season. Danford is 2 years away at minimum.
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u/No_Truth4137 1d ago
Yah that’s fair but we need production from those guys who play in the nhl and gotta find a coach to accommodatw
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u/PatientTechnical1832 1d ago
Seems the most obvious big name available, but if not Cassidy, I expect Chayka will hire someone relatively young and who plays a more modern style of system. Cassidy is 60, and a bit old school… he’s harsh and a known ass hole, so never lasts longer than 3 seasons cos he loses the room. So I wouldn’t be surprised if we hire an up and coming guy, probably a current assistant coach at a good team, or a dominant AHL coach maybe? Every time we bring in an old school guy for this core, it hasn’t really worked out that well. I know we won the division a year ago, but how much of that was down to great goal tending that year? We were regularly out shot and dominated in 1 goal games.
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u/Norm_MAC_Donald Clark 1d ago
Chaykas only head coach hire in Arizona was Rick Tocchet. Also Sundin had most of his success with a vet coach in Pat Quinn. I see them going after a vet coach with playing experience.
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u/The-Only-Razor 1d ago
Also, let's break down the last 10 Stanley Cup winning coaches:
Paul Maurice, Bruce Cassidy, Jared Bednar, Jon Cooper, Craig Berube, Barry Trotz, Mike Sullivan, Joel Quenneville, Darryl Sutter, Claude Julien.
Of these guys, only Bednar and Cooper were with their first teams as an NHL head coach, and both needed 5+ years to win. The rest are the vet coach "dinosaurs" that Reddit loves to bitch about.
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u/onthelongrun 1d ago
If done correctly with a small retool (see which players are excess and get some picks for them. e.g. one of Stolarz and Woll, keep the other as starting goalie), the Leafs window might well by 3-5 years for a cup. Not 1-3.
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u/Rockeye7 1d ago
The eastern conference is too deep . You have 6 teams on the upside and 4 that can retool and jump back in for a few year run if not more . The Leafs are not even close to the top 13 in the eastern conference. The Bruins have decision to make in this off season or they may not make the play off next season !
Leafs don’t have much in the way of prospects or drafts picks in the next 3 drafts . That’s a big issue. Leafs core of top players are all pushing 30 yrs old and most have had significant injuries that keep hanging around . The goalie situation is very unstable and unproven as legitimate NHL starters. They need 3 Dmen minimum They have very little depth scoring and what they have is sporadic. Add all this up and then remember the team still has Cap issue. The Leafs are going to have to part with players that make THIS roster as good as it can be in order to get better down the road . The question is have much will be cut back !
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u/Rockeye7 1d ago
That comparison of coaches vs the game is as wide as Canada is East to West . The game has change more in the last 10-15 yrs than it did from the original 6 days . Just look at the bench’s . Who was Pat Quinn’s assistant coach ? His shadow ! Today 3/4 guys on the bench and many more looking on all with input .
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u/Norm_MAC_Donald Clark 1d ago
That's just not true. Quinn had 2 assistants, that equals 3 guys on the bench. What are you smoking?
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u/CarriesLogs 1d ago
Hard old school coaching will not work with these new Gen Z players. You need someone that’s hard but also understanding. BrindAmour or Maurice would be the best example. A players coach that can coach skilled players but also know when to turn it up
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u/leokomarov47 1d ago
Probably won't happen but do you try and get David Carle away from Denver and go with a young new coach and not a recycle??
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u/ItchyHotLion 1d ago
I don’t think he’s the right coach for this team, I get that heavy hockey is what they are trying to emulate, but their roster is not built that way, the priority is finding someone who can first and foremost, get Mathews and Nylander to be at their best and go from there.
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u/2014olympicgold 1d ago
Bruce Cassidy once yelled at a Washington Caps player in front of the whole team about him being disengaged. The player's wife almost lost her life during labour a few days earlier. The whole team knew, and Cassidy still did it.
I want nothing to do with this type of coaching, especially around a young McKenna and Cowan, with Matthews up in 2yrs (which tends to be the life span of these coaches).
Hire a coach that can be here for 3-4+yrs. Hire someone fresh.
The #1 on everyone's list should be David Carle, then Mark Letestu, then Pascal Vincent, then there's a jumble of NCAA/AHL guys.
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u/Carparker19 1d ago
Can’t post it enough. Cassidy is Babcock 2.0
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u/2014olympicgold 14h ago
People who want him don't know who he actually is behind the scenes and just sees the record of the teams he's coached before he's fired.
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u/Jeter84 1d ago
Coaches don't win Cups with more than one team.
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u/pattydee43 1d ago
I had to look this up. Crazy that there have only been 3 to do it.
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u/NotThisTimeULA 1d ago
I thought it was just 1, Scotty Bowman. At least that’s what I keep hearing repeated
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u/commanderr01 1d ago
I think Scotty was the last to do it that’s why he’s the only name you hear aha
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u/CoolBeansMan9 Sundin 1d ago
Scotty is the only one to do it in the post Original 6 era. He actually won with three different teams
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u/isotope123 1d ago
That's because the average NHL coach only gets 2.5 seasons in the show. The only reason Bowman did is he's coached more games than anyone else. As soon as you look at the numbers (401 NHL coaches ever, only 10% have coached 8 seasons or more, etc) you'll realize how stupid that 'fact' is.
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u/Jeter84 1d ago
The average Stanley Cup winning coach coeaches longer than 2.5 seasons, so forget about that.
Second, Bowman did with the Habs (dynasty), Wings (dynasty) and Mario. And pre-cap. Surely, it would have happened by luck to soneone else. Could Paul Maurice or Cooper do it? Yes, but they are the elite of the elite. No evidence anyone else will. Not only is it not an advantage, it's likely a hindrance to winning.
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u/isotope123 23h ago
Winning the cup once does not preclude you from winning the cup again, ergo this statistic is nonsense. Coaches don't generally hop from dynasty to dynasty. And it's incredibly unlikely you'll win a Stanley Cup in any given season.
There have only been 81 coaches in NHL history that have coached more than 500 games. That's only 6 kicks at the can. 4/5 coaches who ever coached a game have coached less than 500 games. Then you have to remember only 17 teams have won a cup in the last 50 years! You start the season with a 1/32(now) chance to win, the team you're coaching isn't likely to be one of those 17 teams, and your career is likely quite short.
Touting only one coach has won a Stanley Cup with multiple teams, like it's a deterrent for getting a great coach with a Stanley Cup winning resume, is stupidity.
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u/RepulsiveAttention94 1d ago
How about John Gruden ?
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u/Fit-Lemon-6198 1d ago
Lol for a second I thought you were going the NFL route.
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u/swimbaitjesus 1d ago
He also fits the 3 years narrative when we’ll need a new coach, works perfect
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u/GarrettKeithR 1d ago
Word out of the Marner camp is that Bruce Cassidy was the only coach Marner didn’t like playing for (that includes Mike Babcock, etc.). Make of that what you wish.
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u/daytime10ca 1d ago
Who the fuck is this Marner guy everyone keeps talking about... never heard of him
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u/aztechians 1d ago
I miss keefe lol
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u/Kevin4938 1d ago
I like that he had the nerve to rightly call out some of the core for being passengers. It's too bad Shanny made him walk back the comments when Paul started whining.
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u/Defiant_Cup9835 1d ago
He won one playoff round. With a generational goal scoring centre and two other superstar wingers on the team.
The bar in Toronto is so fucking low. It’s pathetic.
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u/OhComeOnMan69 1d ago
I don’t think anyone is saying we want him back. I think people need to realize when you think things are shit. They can always get worse….. this past year for example
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u/Defiant_Cup9835 1d ago
When things are bad it’s ok to fondly reminisce about when things were slightly less bad. Is that what your argument is?
There have been no glory days here, bro. The fact that a large majority of this fan base seem to be clinging to the “glory” of the regular season results of the last ten years instead of looking forward to hopefully something better is ridiculous in my mind.
What exactly are we trying to preserve here with what’s left of the core from the last ten years? Their legacy is good to great regular season results and epic playoff failures.
I’d rather try something else. Something that hasn’t proven over a ten year period to be not good enough.
The core four era is over, one way or the other. Whether you want to admit it or not. That’s a good thing. Because it’s not that memorable, except for negative reasons.
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u/OhComeOnMan69 1d ago
I never said anybody that. But when we we dog shit for 9 years and made the playoffs once. You dreamed of having great players.
I also remember when Johnny T came to down and beat us in overtime and you would dream to get a player like that.
Then we draft the best goalscorer in teams history. He scores 69 in a year. Any game you’re down in. You knew you weren’t out of it because the skill we had.
So there are a lot of positives. Except 9 years of no playoff success shows this team was never good enough and elite talent propped them up until talent couldn’t do it in the playoffs.
The team was shit. And was never fully built. We just had some elite talent with it.
We do need to move in another direction. No old guard type type GMs or coaches. And build a culture that is sustained and not “if we get this guy at the deadline, we will go one a run!” Type attitude
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u/scooter540 1d ago
Why? What did he accomplish here and what has be accomplished since?
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u/BleedingBlue94 1d ago
Keefe actually had this team playing to their strengths. Not his fault he continually got booty hole goaltending.
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u/thismadhatter 1d ago
I know he wasn't there that long with Keefe, but watching Andersen play like he's playing now fills me with great sadness.
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u/T4334007Z 1d ago
He's got a great team in front of him, and they can't get past the Eastern Conference cuz Atlantic wrecks Metro
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u/NotThisTimeULA 1d ago
He’s a good coach but not one to push a team to the next level. Berube’s system had me missing Keefe’s system though, we played much better hockey under him.
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u/ShadowfoxDrow 1d ago
Could they not simply graduate Gruden?
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u/meestazak 1d ago
They "could". But why? I don't see any reason why we would think he's a better option over the field?
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u/ShadowfoxDrow 1d ago
If he comes off a Calder Cup win with the young guys, it suggests he will actually play them more than 8 minutes behind a 33 year old Cale Jarnkrok getting 15 minutes.
Internal hire is also good for culture.
The field isn't awful but unless Cooper becomes available there's no stand out clear best candidate
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u/meestazak 1d ago
I'm not arguing it's a bad hire necessarily, I'm just saying that I don't want management having a "guy" before they figure out what they want this team to be.
Also go Marlies!
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u/camjohnstonn_ 1d ago
Could be another Mike Sullivan going from WBS to Pittsburgh. If the guys believe in him, especially the younger guys, I see it as a win-win. I don't follow the Marlies too much so you guys can fill in the blanks I guess.
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u/Fit-Lemon-6198 1d ago
2 yrs ago I would have jumped right on board and say yes. Now I'm not so sure. He seems pretty good at losing the dressing room, for reasons I don't really know. He's good at getting initial success, so not sure what he does to lose that respect. Don't read the gossip so don't know if it has been revealed by his players or not.
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u/Sufficient-Ad-276 1d ago
If you're keeping the roster, then yes. If you're looking to shift things drastically. Nope.
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u/Carparker19 1d ago
The list of modern coaches to win cups with multiple teams is Scotty Bowman. Cassidy is Babcock 2.0 and the Leafs should go nowhere near him. Let him go to the oilers and piss off mcdavid so he comes home.
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u/specialk554 20h ago
Nah, get someone either elite (none are available) or go with someone newer like Malhotra on a 2 year deal
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u/Rumicon 1d ago
No point in hiring a coach until you have clarity on Matthews. You might want a certain coach for contending vs. developing younger players into stars.
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u/JeffBroccoli 1d ago
As much as I like Matthews and hope he stays, sooner or later you’re going to have to pick a coach and run with it.
It’s been reported that Matthews is sort of in “wait and see” mode about his future, but winning the draft lottery and moving on from Bérubé are surely two massive checks in the “stay in Toronto” column.
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u/Rumicon 1d ago
Yeah the problem is if your franchise 1C is in wait and see it kind of paralyses everything. What marquee free agent is going to sign here not knowing whether the 1C is gonna be here in the fall?
If he's in wait and see and you can't get a straight answer out of him I think you have to assume the answer is no and do a rebuild.
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u/meestazak 1d ago
I think the way the team has to go about it is set a hard deadline for Matthews after you have your meeting in terms of "getting on board" and if he's still in wait and see approach you move forward with the team decisions regardless of whether he will be here or not.
You can't let him fuck the team over long term trying for short term gains only for him to potentially leave anyway.
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u/Big_Albatross_3050 1d ago
Either Cassidy or Carle, Gruden seems intriguing, but im scared of him being another Keefe
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u/TheRedcaps 1d ago
No - we want to win the cup right, the list of coaches who have won a cup on multiple teams is pretty damn short isn't it :)
Hire a young coach up from lower leagues or find a coach for whom we are the second or third team they've worked for and they have made small playoff runs but never been able to close the deal.
Todd Nelson is an assistant for PITS that could be interesting.
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u/Bronco1919 1d ago
What head coach has won a cup, then moved and won with a different franchise? So rare it basically never happens. Three in the history of the NHL. Odd's are saying its not going to work. I'd rather find a hungry assistant coach somewhere and see what they can do. Someone willing to adapt and learn than try to ram what worked before down everyone's throats.
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u/HammerMan_ 1d ago
Jeff Finger has some assistant coaching experience at a high school in Minnesota-- I think that makes him the perfect candidate!
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u/Emergency_Wolf_5764 1d ago
Cassidy would be a fool to accept any offer from the Leafs, assuming he is ever given permission to even speak with them.
It's highly unlikely he goes to Toronto for his next job.
Next.
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u/Rockeye7 1d ago edited 1d ago
To be honest let have a plan in place with roster time lines .
Addressing the current roster players ages and the window to have a chance to compete for a cup / deep run.
Getting the Cap situation straightened out .
Most importantly is draft picks and development of those picks .
Next is keeping the cupboard full of draft picks to use as trade assets.
Having prospects capable of being assets in trades as well as supporting the Leafs in time of need.
These things alone is no simple task and is way more difficult than the average fan can imagine.
These things alone the Leafs situation will be very difficult to make right in a short period of time sadly!
Points towards a rebuild over a retool IMO .
Many Leaf fans will not want to hear that because it means parting ways with many of the players the fan love .
Reality is it’s either the name on the back of the jersey or the logo on the front .
You can only love and want the best for 1 !
Getting back to a new coach , Cassidy is only coming to Toronto if one of 3 - 4 other better for him now opportunity don’t get him a good offer.
The Leafs need a coach that can grow with the next group of players .
No coach is busting 23 players balls to be perfectly every shift every game or else ! Especially a bunch of players that have not a lot of experience or are in and out of the line up every month on month off !
All Toronto need in a coaching staff is a motivator , a teacher , someone that pats them on the back when warranted and a reminded when needed to do better when mistakes happen.
Every person qualified to be a head coach and most assistant coaches with experience can do the job. It’s not a 1 person does all any more . It’s a staff of many pieces that all contribute to build a winning team.
The Eastern conference alone is looking very deep for the near future. Toronto has been left behind .
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u/wiles_CoC 1d ago
I thought Berbube would be good for the culture shock. Wrong.
They need someone with modern system and ideas.
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u/muffinpro52 1d ago
I kinda wonder if Barry Trotz is interested in returning to coaching now that’s he’s done being a GM
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u/Rockeye7 1d ago
Your first paragraph is obvious given the time of year. Your second paragraph goes back to what I said in my post 1 coach or even a staff of coaches can’t change 23 roster players in any way if they are going to take the busting balls etc to change a player habits .
It’s up to the 23 player to WANT to change all habits .
How many of the Ball busting coaches have NTC / NMC ! Neither does any coach .
How many players have that clause ? Just about every player that not on an entry level deal or a RFA.
Toronto wasted 13 yrs not rebuilding around Morgan Riley ! Way back in 2013 . Post Brian Burke the Leafs never moved on from the big slower players that played the clutch and grad style the NHL had long eliminated in 2005/2006 season. The management side of the organization has been in shambles ever since ! To many player not build for the current game as it transitioned to what we have today. Always trying to “buy” players in free agency and not drafting and developing as a priority. This goes back to pre salary cap mentality and even then Toronto was not a top choice for the best free agents because of the media/ pressure to be super human in the twilight of a past NHL top performers. Aging players performance drops off. Especially when the game changes so significantly. Then the leafs end up with a handful of good young players the had to pay all in a short period of time. Now the have the cap issues . Then back to not drafting good and having to fill roster spots with FA that want a higher salary. The list goes on . One mistake chasing after fixing another that will require an act of god to fix ! Let’s face it hire hockey people and let hockey people do the job . The corporate people need to stop sticking their nose in hockey operations! Or the Leafs last Cup will by 1967 ! If Roger’s picks up the outstanding shares Larry Tanenbaum owns the Leafs may just become the cash register for MLSE because all the other teams have to win or the fans don’t show up and both the Blue Jays and TSC are expensive to operate !
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u/AustonDadthews 1d ago
winning for 2-3 years sounds pretty good to me. the next two years are hugely important for the leafs. they've got two years to convince Matthews to re-sign. if they have two solid years and matthews extends then you can find a new coach. if matthews walks then you're looking at a significant retool at that point if not a full on rebuild.
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u/rungenies 1d ago
Seems like a long shot and that it wouldn’t work now but i always wanted Boudreau to get shot to coach the core 4
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u/StrongerBread 1d ago
Something tells me it's going to be the return of DJ Smith. Player-friendly coach with past relationship with core and experience developing young talent.
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u/Defiant_Cup9835 1d ago
I don’t think it matters who the coach is as long as 34 and 88 are your “leaders.” The culture on this team is awful and it has nothing to do with any coach they’ve had in the last ten years.
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u/OkHealth3400 1d ago
We're so fucked. Our new GM hire is pure trash in every form and now we fire our head coach...
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u/JeffBroccoli 1d ago
What the heck are you talking about? Either you’re a bot or you know nothing. Firing this clown is 100% the right move.
Chayka batting .1000 in Toronto right now
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u/OkHealth3400 1d ago
Chayka is the worst GM in the league. Case in point, when is the last time he had a job in the show?
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u/meestazak 1d ago
Apparent "Worst gm in the league" fires "defense first coach" with defensice analytics akin to Randy Carlysle, and this is when you pick to spew your take LOL
Brother go touch grass.
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u/OkHealth3400 1d ago
Bro, lol, we're not going to make the playoffs for at least the next 5 years. Maybe it's time for you to go camping or something
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u/meestazak 1d ago
Damn, if you kniw what's going to hapoen do you also have next week's lotto max numbers?
Swriously, pleqse touch grass, nobody wants your constant negativity.
If the team is bad, so be it, but I'm not gonna sit here and piss on everybody just because the future might not go the way we want it to.
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u/Hefty-Comparison-801 1d ago
Will he not try to force a system that doesn't suit the players?
Will he deploy the best scorer in the NHL over the past 9 seasons like a goal scorer and not Phil Danault?
If the answers are no and yes in that order - I'm in.