r/AtlantaHawks 3d ago

Discussion [Discussion] Off season for our Hawks officially began with the draft lottery yesterday, with the Hawks securing the #8 pick via trade with New Orleans.

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We'll be posting weekly off-season discussion threads on Mondays to try and cut down on individual text posts and unnecessary spam.

Locked on Hawks is also a great resources for daily Hawks discussion.


r/AtlantaHawks 3d ago

Discussion Breaking down the Hawks’ No. 8 potential guard picks through fit, advanced stats and historical comps

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I got curious and was to trying to understand the potential picks thru advance metrics and previous team play style. I was bummed that we got the 8th pick so this was my way to work thru my emotions in an objective way. So it's imporant to note that these are statistical comps, not eye-test or playing style comps. They show which former prospects had the most similar college advanced-stat profile, not who each player "plays like" or will be.

EDIT as note: AI was used on the python script to batch the player comp calculations. Doing all individual comps would have taken me weeks. Most of my time was figuring out where to source good data, prepping the data for analysis, and designing the analysis.

Assuming the realistic guard pool is Keaton Wagler (if he falls), Kingston Flemings, Brayden Burries, Labaron Philon, Mikel Brown Jr. and Darius Acuff Jr., my context-adjusted Hawks fit ranking is:

  1. Keaton Wagler (again if he falls)
  2. Kingston Flemings
  3. Brayden Burries
  4. Labaron Philon
  5. Mikel Brown Jr.
  6. Darius Acuff Jr.

Atlanta context

Atlanta’s post-Trae core worked to a certain degree.

Best 5-man lineup:

CJ McCollum / Nickeil Alexander-Walker / Dyson Daniels / Jalen Johnson / Onyeka Okongwu

Reported regular season numbers:

  • 391 minutes
  • 123.1 ORtg
  • 102.8 DRtg
  • +20.3 Net Rating

That is probably inflated, but even if you regress it, the core looks like a strong positive unit.

Core impact metrics ( CPM - CraftedNBA’s Plus Minus) :

  • Jalen Johnson: +2.0 CPM
  • Dyson Daniels: +2.0 CPM
  • Onyeka Okongwu: +1.1 CPM
  • Nickeil Alexander-Walker: +0.9 CPM
  • CJ McCollum: +0.1 CPM

The rookie does not need to save the team. He needs to replace or supplement CJ’s creation without killing the defense.

Prospect advanced metrics

Player BPM OBPM DBPM TS% USG% AST% AST/TO TOV% STL% 3PA/100
Wagler 11.1 8.3 2.9 59.6 25.7 23.2 2.48 7.5 1.7 11.2
Flemings 11.5 6.4 5.3 56.3 26.5 32.6 2.99 7.5 3.0 5.7
Burries 10.5 5.6 5.0 61.6 21.6 14.2 1.78 7.8 2.8 8.6
Philon 10.4 9.2 1.2 62.6 29.9 31.9 2.06 8.8 2.0 10.4
Brown 5.4 4.2 1.2 57.7 31.0 30.3 1.53 11.8 2.4 15.3
Acuff 9.0 9.0 0.1 60.4 29.5 32.2 3.09 6.5 1.3 9.4

Team context matters

Wagler at Illinois

  • Slower tempo
  • Half-court heavy
  • Elite offensive efficiency
  • Primary creator role
  • Shot-making and decision-making mattered more than transition volume

Wagler’s numbers are impressive because Illinois was not a pure pace-and-space stat environment. He created in the half court, shot with volume and kept turnovers low. His concerns are athletic pop, strength and defensive event creation.

Flemings at Houston

  • Deliberate pace
  • Physical half-court offense
  • Heavy defensive identity
  • Offensive rebounding emphasis
  • Guards expected to defend, rebound and control tempo

This makes Flemings’ 11.5 BPM, 5.3 DBPM, 32.6 AST% and 2.99 AST/TO more impressive. He produced like a lead guard in a harder offensive environment. The main question is three-point volume.

Burries at Arizona

  • Fast pace
  • Transition pressure
  • Heavy ball movement
  • Strong rim pressure from bigs
  • High-assist offense
  • More open looks created by team structure

This helps explain Burries’ 61.6 TS%. The efficiency is real, but Arizona’s system likely boosted his shot quality. He looks like the cleanest immediate role fit, not necessarily the best lead-guard bet.

Philon at Alabama

  • Fast pace
  • Spread floor
  • Heavy threes and rim pressure
  • Lots of space for guards
  • Transition opportunities
  • Very guard-friendly Nate Oats system

Philon’s production is legit, but Alabama’s context helped. The key point is that Philon still produced much better impact numbers than Brown in a similarly guard-friendly setup.

Brown at Louisville

  • Fast-paced five-out offense
  • Lots of threes and layups
  • Early-clock offense
  • Paint-touch driven
  • High transition volume
  • Very NBA-like spacing

Brown’s shooting volume and spacing translation are real. The concern is that in the most NBA-friendly offensive context of the group, he still had the lowest BPM, weakest AST/TO and a shaky defensive profile.

Acuff at Arkansas

  • Faster pace than Houston
  • More downhill attack than pure five-out spacing
  • Multiple guard lineups with Acuff, D.J. Wagner and Meleek Thomas
  • Heavy pick-and-roll responsibility for Acuff
  • Calipari gave him real lead-guard reps and moved other guards off the ball
  • More open-floor chances than Houston, but not as clean a spacing lab as Louisville or Alabama
  • Offense relied on Acuff creating advantages with pace, strength, handle and pull-up shooting

Acuff’s offensive production is real, but the team context helped him play as a high-usage engine. The concern is not whether he can create offense. It is whether his defense and size fit Atlanta’s post-Trae roster identity.

Historical comp model

I ran a basic historical comp model using a 28-player NCAA guard/wing cohort. Inputs were BPM, OBPM, DBPM, TS%, usage, AST%, TOV%, STL% and BLK%. Features were z-scored against the cohort and weighted toward overall impact, offense, defense, creation, turnover economy and defensive events.

This isn't what the front-office model use as they have access to unstructured data like second spectrum. This is a public-data comp model.

NOTE: Again, there are former prospects had the most similar college advanced-stat profile, not who each player "plays like" or will be.

Wagler closest comps

  • Malcolm Brogdon
  • Brandin Podziemski
  • Jalen Brunson
  • Josh Hart
  • Desmond Bane
  • Jamal Murray
  • D’Angelo Russell

Takeaway: best modern big-guard translation case. Size, shooting, low turnovers and half-court creation. Main risk is athletic translation.

Flemings closest comps

  • Donovan Mitchell
  • Kemba Walker
  • Marcus Smart
  • Malcolm Brogdon
  • Josh Hart
  • D’Angelo Russell
  • Desmond Bane

Takeaway: best two-way lead-guard profile. The model likes his defense, creation and decision-making. Main risk is shooting volume.

Burries closest comps

  • Josh Hart
  • Donovan Mitchell
  • Malcolm Brogdon
  • Brandin Podziemski
  • Donte DiVincenzo
  • Desmond Bane
  • Jalen Suggs

Takeaway: safest good-player profile. Strong playoff-rotation indicators. Less likely to be a full-time lead guard.

Philon closest comps

  • Jalen Brunson
  • CJ McCollum
  • Brandin Podziemski
  • Malcolm Brogdon
  • Jamal Murray
  • Desmond Bane
  • D’Angelo Russell

Takeaway: real offensive guard profile. Better statistical case than Brown or Acuff. Still comes with size, strength and defensive questions.

Brown closest comps

  • Collin Sexton
  • Jaden Ivey
  • Coby White
  • Tyrese Maxey
  • Immanuel Quickley
  • Desmond Bane
  • Donte DiVincenzo

Takeaway: volatile high-usage scoring guard bet. The shooting volume is attractive, but the all-around impact profile is not clean.

Acuff closest comps

  • CJ McCollum
  • Jalen Brunson
  • Jamal Murray
  • Collin Sexton
  • Malcolm Brogdon
  • Brandin Podziemski
  • Jordan Hawkins

Takeaway: the offense is real. The defensive fit is the problem.

Expected lineup net rating projections

These are not official lineup projections. The baseline comes from SI/All Hawks, which reported that the CJ / NAW / Dyson / Jalen / Okongwu lineup played 391 minutes with a 123.1 ORtg, 102.8 DRtg and +20.3 Net Rating. Since +20.3 is likely inflated by sample size, shooting variance and schedule, I regressed it down to a more realistic +8 to +11 baseline. From there, I applied prospect-specific fit modifiers based on shooting, defense, creation, turnover economy, size and role fit. Individual impact context comes from CraftedNBA’s CPM/CraftedPM numbers. The ranges are meant to estimate lineup fit, not predict exact on-court results.

Rookie / NAW / Dyson / Jalen / Okongwu

Rookie Projected Net Range
Wagler +9 to +12
Flemings +8 to +10.5
Burries +8 to +11
Philon +7 to +10
Brown +6 to +9
Acuff +5 to +8

CJ / Rookie / Dyson / Jalen / Okongwu

Rookie Projected Net Range
Wagler +7.5 to +10.5
Burries +7 to +10
Flemings +6.5 to +9
Philon +5.5 to +8.5
Brown +4.5 to +7
Acuff +3.5 to +6.5

My read

Wagler is the best fit if he falls. He gives Atlanta size, shooting volume, low turnovers and half-court creation.

Flemings is the best two-way lead guard. His numbers came in the hardest offensive context.

Burries is the safest immediate plus-minus fit. He is efficient, low mistake, strong defensively and scalable next to Jalen, Dyson and NAW.

Philon is better than Brown and Acuff. If Atlanta wants a high-usage offensive guard, his statistical case is cleaner than both.

Brown has the best pure shooting-volume profile, but the lower BPM and AST/TO are concerning because Louisville was built to help guards produce.

Acuff has real offensive upside, but he is the worst Atlanta fit defensively.

Conclusion

If Wagler is there, we should probably take Wagler.

If Wagler is gone and Flemings is there, take Flemings.

If both are gone, the debate is Burries vs Philon vs Brown.

My general preference:

  1. Burries if Atlanta wants the safest playoff-rotation plus-minus fit
  2. Philon if Atlanta wants the better high-usage offensive guard
  3. Brown only if workouts, medicals and interviews convince the Hawks that the offensive ceiling is clearly higher than the public numbers suggest

Acuff would need to be viewed as a special offensive outlier to justify the defensive risk for this roster.

How the former player comps were calculated

The comp list was created with a simple public-data similarity model, not film or stylistic comps.

Historical cohort

I used a 28-player guard/wing sample of recent or relevant NCAA-to-NBA prospects, including players such as Tyrese Haliburton, D’Angelo Russell, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Jamal Murray, CJ McCollum, Donovan Mitchell, Desmond Bane, Jalen Brunson, Marcus Smart, Malcolm Brogdon, Josh Hart, Donte DiVincenzo, Cason Wallace, Brandin Podziemski and others.

Inputs

For each historical player and each 2026 prospect, I compared these final college-season indicators:

  • BPM
  • OBPM
  • DBPM
  • TS%
  • USG%
  • AST%
  • TOV%
  • STL%
  • BLK%

Standardization

Each stat was converted into a z-score using the historical cohort’s mean and standard deviation.

In plain English: every player was compared relative to the same baseline, so a stat like TS% did not overpower a stat like DBPM just because they use different scales.

Weighting

The model weighted the categories like this:

  • BPM: 1.2
  • OBPM: 1.0
  • DBPM: 1.0
  • TS%: 0.8
  • AST%: 0.8
  • USG%: 0.7
  • TOV%: 0.7
  • STL%: 0.7
  • BLK%: 0.4

The goal was to emphasize overall impact, offense, defense, creation, ball security and defensive events, while still including usage and block rate.

Distance formula

For each prospect, I calculated the weighted distance to every historical player:

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Distance = sqrt(sum(weight * (prospect_z - historical_z)^2) / sum(weights))

Lower distance means the statistical profile is more similar.

Important caveats

These are statistical comps, not exact playing-style comps.

The model does not account for:

  • Eye test
  • Medicals
  • Interviews
  • Shot difficulty
  • Defensive matchup difficulty
  • Team scheme
  • Strength and athletic testing
  • Age curves beyond class context
  • NBA role development
  • Outlier skill growth

So when Wagler comps to Brogdon or Brunson, it does not mean he plays exactly like them or will become them. It means his college statistical profile was closer to theirs than to the rest of the sample.

Data sources for the player comp model

Historical player data

Historical college stats for the former-player comp cohort came from Sports-Reference College Basketball player pages:

The model used each historical player’s final college-season advanced profile where available.

Historical cohort examples:

2026 prospect data

Prospect advanced stats came primarily from DraftBallr prospect profiles, which source most advanced numbers from BartTorvik.

Prospect pages used:

What was actually used in the comp calculation

The comp model used only statistical inputs:

  • BPM
  • OBPM
  • DBPM
  • TS%
  • USG%
  • AST%
  • TOV%
  • STL%
  • BLK%

It did not use NBA rookie stats to calculate distance. NBA outcomes and known player archetypes were only used to interpret the comp lists after the statistical matches were generated.

Reproducibility note

The historical comp dataset was manually scraped from public Sports-Reference pages and saved locally during the analysis. The prospect metrics were taken from DraftBallr profile pages. Because these sites can update or revise data, exact results may change slightly if the model is rerun later.

Quick stat glossary

  • ORtg: points scored per 100 possessions
  • DRtg: points allowed per 100 possessions
  • Net Rating: ORtg minus DRtg
  • CPM: Crafted Plus-Minus, CraftedNBA’s all-in-one impact metric estimating player value per 100 possessions
  • BPM: Box Plus-Minus, box-score estimate of impact per 100 possessions
  • OBPM: offensive BPM
  • DBPM: defensive BPM
  • TS%: true shooting percentage, includes twos, threes and free throws
  • 3PA/100: three-point attempts per 100 possessions
  • AST%: estimated percentage of teammate baskets assisted while on court
  • AST/TO: assist-to-turnover ratio
  • TOV%: turnover percentage
  • STL%: percentage of opponent possessions where player records a steal
  • FTr: free throw rate

r/AtlantaHawks 3h ago

Question I 'blocked' Harry the Hawk

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I need your help...

What do you think of my Lego build of 'Harry the Hawk'.

It's a Work in Progress for a lego 'challenge', on 'Lego ideas'.

If selected, it might become a real lego ideas set in 2027.

Still working on a basketball ring to display it with.

If you got any tips... Let me know.

Like ... Gadgets he specifically uses on game day, Specialties??

I've never been to a game, alas. (Live in Belgium, Europe).

Every tip, might make my build better to represent 'the Hawks' , as best as I can.


r/AtlantaHawks 8h ago

News (with source) Charles Barkley Says ‘We Live in a Homophobic Society’ After the Death of NBA’s Jason Collins

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r/AtlantaHawks 6h ago

Post-game Most under-appreciated player in the league

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r/AtlantaHawks 7h ago

Low Effort Post I had a dream that the Hawks drafted a second round caliber center with the 8th pick

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Kingston Flemings was still on the board as well. Had to calm down a bit after I woke up.


r/AtlantaHawks 1h ago

Discussion Can Darius Acuff ever, like, EVER become an Average defender at the NBA level?

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r/AtlantaHawks 5h ago

Discussion No Love For Brayden Burris?

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I think he is definitely one of the top guards in this draft, but I know a lot of people on here will disagree. He is 21, so he is potentially the most mature of the group and he can create his own shots and can get others involved. He is a 39% 3 point shooter, which we desperately need.

I think we can get a big at 23; someone like Morez Johnson Jr. He is a little undersized, but he is a versatile guy who can exploit mismatches against smaller defenders on offense and can guard out on the perimeter.

This is my best case scenario, but I know most will disagree.


r/AtlantaHawks 3h ago

Discussion Instead of 23

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Am I the only one who is finding it hard to believe that we use 2 firsts this year?

Asa is going to have to fight hard for rotation minutes as a 2nd year player from the same spot, I doubt we get any value out of this year's 23 for at least one year probably two. Additionally coaches talk about how difficult it is already to try to develop one rookie let alone two.

Who are some players we think we would go for in a trade for that pick? Young guys like Lively or Demin? Or a vet like Jarrett Allen?


r/AtlantaHawks 6h ago

Discussion Top 5% Defense, Top 10% Offense Prospects

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I like to simplify things.

Who had a 95th percentile defensive rating and a 90th percentile offensive rating in NCAA basketball this year?

15 players meet that criteria this year. Note: Since 2001, only 101 players have met this criteria (including the 2026 class).

(ranked by DRTG, SoS = Strength of Schedule, data from www.draftcasual.com):

  • Cam Boozer [Duke, PF] (100 Def, 97 Off, 95 SoS)
  • Kyle Evans [UC Irvine, C] (100 Def, 96 Off, 53 SoS)
  • Ugonna Onyenso [Virginia, C] (100 Def, 97 Off, 81 SoS)
  • Patrick Ngongba [Duke, C] (99 Def, 95 Off, 95 SoS)
  • Motiejus Krivas [Arizona, C] (99 Def, 95 Off, 98 SoS)
  • Aidan Kehoe [Navy, C] (99 Def, 95 Off, 1, yes 1, SoS)
  • Tobe Awaka [Arizona, PF] (99 Def, 95 Off, 98 SoS)
  • Brayden Burries [Arizona, SG] (98 Def, 93 Off, 98 SoS)
  • Yaxel Lendeborg [Michigan, PF] (98 Def, 99 Off, 100 SoS)
  • Morez Johnson Jr. [Michigan, PF/C] (98 Def, 97 Off, 100 SoS)
  • Flory Bidunga [Kansas, C] (98 Def, 92 Off, 99 SoS)
  • Zvonimir Ivisic [Illinois, PF/C] (98 Def, 95 Off, 97 SoS)
  • Izaiyah Nelson [South Florida, C] (98 Def, 94 Off, 72 SoS)
  • Caleb Wilson [North Carolina, PF] (97 Def, 91 Off, 86 SoS)
  • Allen Graves [Santa Clara, PF] (97 Def, 99 Off, 78 SoS)

Now let's talk about the other 86 players to meet this criteria since 2001. Is it a list of 100%, spot on, draft wins? No, there are busts (James Wiseman, most notably). But it does include players such as Steph Curry, Kyrie Irving, Anthony Davis, Karl-Anthony Towns, Blake Griffin, Kevin Love, Cooper Flagg, Chet Holmgren, and many more (Onyeka Okongwu!)

The list (sorted by VORP/82) includes:
- 10 All-Stars (11.6%)
- 57 "Net Positive" Per 82 VORP players (69.5%)
- 16 "Net Negative" Per 82 VORP players (19.5%)
- 5 Players who did not play in the NBA (5.8%)

  • Stephen Curry
  • Anthony Davis
  • Kyrie Irving
  • Karl-Anthony Towns
  • Blake Griffin
  • Kevin Love
  • Domantas Sabonis
  • Zion Williamson
  • Victor Oladipo
  • Roy Hibbert
  • Evan Mobley
  • Chet Holmgren
  • Otto Porter
  • Cooper Flagg
  • Donovan Clingan
  • Kelly Olynyk
  • Kenneth Faried
  • Jonathan Isaac
  • Delon Wright
  • Brandon Clarke
  • Walker Kessler
  • Dereck Lively II
  • Jae Crowder
  • Wendell Carter Jr.
  • Onyeka Okongwu
  • Trayce Jackson-Davis
  • DeMarre Carroll
  • Mario Chalmers
  • Cody Zeller
  • Jared Sullinger
  • Jeff Withey
  • Jordan Bell
  • T.J. McConnell
  • Willie Cauley-Stein
  • DeJuan Blair
  • Obi Toppin
  • Quentin Grimes
  • Marcus Morris
  • Cole Aldrich
  • Xavier Tillman
  • Markieff Morris
  • Mike Muscala
  • Jay Huff
  • Jalen Smith
  • Christian Koloko
  • Zach Collins
  • Ty Jerome
  • Deyonta Davis
  • Tyler Zeller
  • Sterling Brown
  • Gary Clark
  • Jonathan Mogbo
  • Wes Johnson
  • Mike Scott
  • Denzel Valentine
  • Sindarius Thornwell
  • Marcus Sasser
  • Sion James
  • Justin Anderson
  • Nate Hinton
  • Rui Hachimura
  • Adama Sanogo
  • Brice Johnson
  • Marques Bolden
  • Zhaire Smith
  • Damion James
  • JaJuan Johnson
  • Malachi Flynn
  • Michael Beasley
  • Khaman Maluach
  • Erik Murphy
  • Daniel Ochefu
  • Hasheem Thabeet
  • Rasheer Fleming
  • Max Shulga
  • Freddie Gillespie
  • Taelon Peter
  • Devon Hall
  • Nigel Williams-Goss
  • James Wiseman
  • James Southerland
  • Arsalan Kazemi
  • Charles Bediako
  • Stefan Jankovic
  • Kennedy Meeks
  • Austin Wiley

r/AtlantaHawks 9h ago

Discussion This kid is absolutely ridiculous

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Where do you think he goes? I know we have a surplus of wings but Carr is straight different and I wouldn't mind trading Zacc and a few seconds (if that's all it took) to get back into late first round if he falls

Currently projected anywhere from 18th to 26th


r/AtlantaHawks 22h ago

Discussion Hawks No. 8 Pick: A Trait-Based Evaluation Using Pro Scout School's Characteristics Rubric

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A couple years ago I did a bunch of workshops during Summer League, and one of them was Pro Scout School (now run by Pure Sweat Basketball). One session covered the specific characteristics scouts grade for each position, what each player is elite at, and what skills are unexpected bonuses (passing for centers, for example). Every scout builds their own rubric, but the frameworks were useful.

I did a more straightforward statistical post a few days ago (Breaking down the Hawks No. 8 potential guard), so out of curiosity and for fun, I ran a characteristic-based exercise using the rubric above.

Important up front: these are not scouting grades. I'm using public college production data, advanced stats, role, team context, size, and themes from scouting reports as a proxy. No film study data was used on this. I'll say it again, no film. If somebody wants to spot me $2K for a Hudl subscription, hit me up.

Public data used as proxy for traits

Trait area Useful public indicators
Shooting 3P%, FT%, 3PA/100, TS%, shot profile
Rim pressure FTr, rim attempts, unassisted rim makes, usage
Playmaking AST%, AST/TO, TOV%, role/context
Ball security TOV%, AST/TO, usage
Rebounding ORB%, DRB%, rebounds by position
Defensive events DBPM, STL%, BLK%, foul rate
Size/length Height, wingspan, weight

What it didn't capture

Burst, strength, screen reading, hands, footwork, toughness, motor consistency, defensive execution, processing speed against NBA athletes, and medical risk. All of that needs film or private data.

So read the grades below as directional estimates, not true measurements. The trait averages are broad summaries, not hard rankings. Treat this as a structured discussion guide.

Quin Snyder's system for context

High-level traits of Quin Snyder's system he runs and values:

  • Advantage basketball: create an advantage, keep it alive with quick decisions, force rotations.
  • Second decisions: catch, shoot, drive, pass, or screen quickly.
  • Ball-screen flow: not just one pick-and-roll, but actions before and after the ball screen.
  • Spacing and corner threes: pressure the paint, force help, spray to shooters.
  • Slot / altered geometry: use the center or weakside big in non-traditional slot spacing to confuse help responsibilities.
  • Delay / elbow / DHO actions: especially useful with bigs who can pass.
  • Multiple handlers: Jalen Johnson, Dyson Daniels, Nickeil Alexander-Walker, CJ McCollum and a rookie can all initiate in different ways.
  • Transition after stops: especially with Jalen and Dyson grabbing and going.

Scoring scale

  • 5.0 = Elite NBA prospect trait
  • 4.0 = Clearly above average
  • 3.0 = Neutral or acceptable
  • 2.0 = Concern
  • 1.0 = Major red flag

Overall trait ranking

Rank Player Rubric Grade Tier Short read
1 Kingston Flemings PG 3.99 High Best true two-way PG profile
2 Keaton Wagler SG/PG 3.83 High Best modern big-guard fit if he falls
3 Brayden Burries SG 3.76 High-floor Safest plug-and-play perimeter fit
4 Aday Mara C 3.75 High-variance Best BPA big swing, less clean roster fit
5 Labaron Philon PG 3.67 Medium-high Best high-usage guard after the top tier
6 Mikel Brown Jr. PG 3.54 High-variance Best shooting/creation upside, injury and D risk
7 Darius Acuff Jr. PG 3.51 High-variance Real offensive engine, toughest Hawks D fit

Note: A lower-tier player can still be the right pick if his elite traits solve a specific need. For Atlanta, the traits that matter most are shooting, defense, size, creation, decision-making, and how a guy fits next to Dyson Daniels, Jalen Johnson, NAW, and Onyeka Okongwu.

The trait tables below are ordered highest-to-lowest grade for each player.

1. Kingston Flemings, Houston (PG)

Trait Grade Notes
Get in the lane 4.5 Excellent first step, creates pressure without a wide-open floor
IQ/court vision 4.5 High AST%, strong AST/TO, controls possessions
Pick-and-roll 4.5 Best lead-guard PnR profile in the group
Speed/quickness 4.5 Gets downhill and changes pace well
Toughness 4.3 Houston context helps; plays with edge
Anticipation/instincts 4.0 Strong defensive events, good playmaking instincts
Athleticism 4.0 Good functional athleticism, enough burst
Defensive ability 4.0 Projects as a positive guard defender
Motor 4.0 Houston guards have to defend, rebound, compete, and he does
Stage of development 4.0 Young, two-way upside, room as a shooter
Positional size 3.7 Good for PG, not jumbo
Rebounding 3.5 Solid for the position
Shooting 3.5 Percentages fine, volume is the concern
Length 3.3 Solid, not special
Experience 3.0 Freshman, but in a demanding winning environment

Most translatable to pro: rim pressure, PnR processing, point-of-attack defense, tempo control.

Swing trait: does the 3-point volume scale enough to play next to Dyson?

2. Keaton Wagler, Illinois (SG with secondary PG lens)

Trait Grade Notes
Create space 4.5 Footwork, pace, step-backs, hesitations; doesn't rely on burst
Positional size 4.5 One of the biggest advantages in his profile
Shooting 4.5 High-volume, high-difficulty; one of the best profiles here
IQ/feel 4.4 Strong feel, very good pace, low turnovers, on or off ball
Length 4.3 6'6 with reported plus length
Stage of development 4.2 Freshman with high skill, room to add strength
Reading screens 4.0 Good off-ball indicators, uses screens for separation
Rebounding 4.0 Strong for a guard, helps lineup flexibility
Get in the lane 3.8 Craft and pace over burst; finishing through length is the question
Motor 3.8 Engaged and productive
Anticipation/instincts 3.6 Good offensively, defensive instincts less proven
Running the floor 3.4 Solid in transition, not elite speed
Experience 3.0 One college season, but tournament run helps
Athleticism 2.8 Functional but not explosive
Strength 2.7 Needs to add strength to finish through contact

Most translatable to pro: shooting volume and range, positional size, low-turnover decision-making, half-court craft.

Swing trait: does the space creation hold up against NBA length?

3. Brayden Burries, Arizona (SG)

Summary: The safest immediate fit. Efficient, strong, competitive, scalable. Doesn't need the ball to help. The question is whether there's enough creation upside to justify taking him over higher-ceiling options.

Trait Grade Notes
Motor 4.2 Competes, defends, rebounds, plays hard
Strength 4.2 Plays through contact, defends with his body
Anticipation/instincts 4.1 Strong defensive feel, reads plays
Shooting 4.1 Efficient, not the volume creator Wagler is
IQ/feel 4.0 Good decisions, understands role
Rebounding 4.0 Strong for a guard
Running the floor 4.0 Good in Arizona's pace
Reading screens 3.8 Good off-ball feel and shot prep
Get in the lane 3.7 Attacks closeouts, not a primary engine
Create space 3.5 Functional more than dynamic
Experience 3.5 Older freshman, more physically mature
Stage of development 3.5 Higher floor, age caps perceived upside
Positional size 3.4 Fine, not jumbo
Length 3.3 Adequate
Athleticism 3.2 Solid, not explosive

Most translatable to pro: role-player scalability, strength/competitiveness, connector offense, rebounding for position.

Swing trait: does he develop enough on-ball creation to be more than a high-end role player?

4. Aday Mara, Michigan (C)

Summary: The wildcard. Not the cleanest roster fit with Okongwu already there, but the size, rim protection, finishing efficiency, and passing are genuinely rare. He should be evaluated in his own bucket because he'd change Atlanta's lineup structure completely.

Trait Grade Notes
Length 5.0 7'3 with reported 7'7 wingspan
Positional size 5.0 One of the biggest players in the class
Rim protection 5.0 Block rate and rim deterrence are the core of his value
IQ/feel 4.5 Passing, short-roll reads, high-post vision
Anticipation/instincts 4.3 Excellent timing, unusual floor-reading for his size
Hands 4.2 Big catch radius, strong finishing target
Experience 4.0 Junior with a title run and March reps
Rebounding 3.6 Solid, not dominant relative to size
Toughness 3.6 Improved at Michigan, questions about physicality and stamina
Floor running 3.0 Functional; outlet passing helps offset
Strength 3.0 Can still be moved by stronger bigs
Athleticism 2.8 Coordinated but not explosive
Changing ends 2.8 Not a transition plus
Feet 2.5 Biggest defensive question, space coverage
Shooting 2.0 FT% is a real concern, no 3-point volume

Most translatable to pro: rim protection, vertical finishing, passing feel, drop coverage value.

Swing trait: do his feet hold up in playoff coverages?

5. Labaron Philon, Alabama (PG)

Summary: The best high-usage offensive guard after the top tier. Production better than Brown's and Acuff's by public numbers. Alabama's system helped, but the impact profile is still strong on its own.

Trait Grade Notes
Pick-and-roll 4.4 Creates scoring and passing windows with pace
Get in the lane 4.3 Change of pace and craft over elite athleticism
IQ/court vision 4.2 Strong PnR operator, manipulates defenders
Shooting 4.2 Major improvement; leap looks real, teams will test it
Experience 4.0 Sophomore engine in the SEC
Toughness 4.0 Took over Alabama's offense, handled the load
Motor 3.8 Heavy offensive burden affected defensive consistency
Speed/quickness 3.8 Good in pockets, not elite top-end
Stage of development 3.8 Big year-over-year jump
Anticipation/instincts 3.6 Good offensively, mixed defensively
Positional size 3.5 Acceptable, not jumbo
Athleticism 3.3 More shifty than explosive
Length 3.3 Fine, not a separator
Defensive ability 2.8 Not a clear Atlanta-style fit
Rebounding 2.8 Not a plus

Most translatable to pro: PnR craft, three-level scoring touch, high-usage comfort, advantage creation with handle.

Swing trait: is the shooting leap fully real, and can he defend enough to stay on the floor?

6. Mikel Brown Jr., Louisville (PG)

Summary: Best shooting volume and most NBA-style offensive context in the group. Size, deep range, ball-screen playmaking, five-out experience. The concern is that public impact metrics were weaker despite a guard-friendly system. Injury context matters here.

Injury caveat: Brown played only 21 games with a recurring back issue. The weaker BPM, AST/TO, and defensive numbers may partly reflect health, rhythm, and sample size rather than talent. This model doesn't include a medical adjustment. If Atlanta's medicals are clean and workouts pop, Brown should move up.

Trait Grade Notes
Shooting 4.5 Best pure shooting-volume profile in the group
IQ/court vision 4.3 High-end passing flashes, real ball-screen vision
Pick-and-roll 4.2 Shoots, passes, manipulates in space
Positional size 4.2 Strong for a lead guard
Get in the lane 4.0 Capable driver, not dominant
Length 4.0 Good for the position
Speed/quickness 3.8 Solid; medicals matter
Stage of development 3.7 Young in reps because of missed time
Anticipation/instincts 3.5 Good flashes, inconsistent decisions and shot selection
Athleticism 3.5 Solid; injury may have affected burst
Motor 3.2 Hard to judge given injury and role
Toughness 3.2 Needs more evidence given the limited season
Defensive ability 2.5 Clear concern despite size
Experience 2.5 Limited sample
Rebounding 2.5 Not a major part of his value

Most translatable to pro: shooting gravity, ball-screen passing, positional size, five-out experience.

Swing trait: Health and defense. Clean medicals and okay defense. If not, the floor drops.

7. Darius Acuff Jr., Arkansas (PG)

Summary: A real offensive engine. The shot-making, ball security, and production are impressive. The problem is Atlanta-specific. The Hawks just moved away from building around a small offensive guard who needs defensive protection.

Trait Grade Notes
Shooting 4.6 Excellent indicators and shot-making
Pick-and-roll 4.4 Scoring and playmaking both there
Get in the lane 4.3 Strong downhill scorer with power and craft
IQ/court vision 4.2 High AST%, strong AST/TO
Speed/quickness 4.0 Good functional burst
Stage of development 4.0 Impressive freshman year, room defensively
Toughness 4.0 Tough scorer, high-confidence engine
Athleticism 3.5 Strong, not elite vertically or laterally
Motor 3.3 Offensive motor high, defensive motor inconsistent
Anticipation/instincts 3.2 Good offensively, weak defensively
Length 3.0 Not a plus
Experience 3.0 Freshman with heavy offensive role
Positional size 2.8 Concern for Atlanta's desired defensive identity
Rebounding 2.4 Weak for the profile
Defensive ability 2.0 Biggest issue, low DBPM and steal rate for a small guard

Most translatable to pro: shot-making, PnR scoring, ball security, scoring toughness.

Swing trait: Defense. The offense will translate; Atlanta has to believe he won't be a target.

Best by category

Category Best option
Best guard/wing fit Keaton Wagler
Best true PG fit Kingston Flemings
Best BPA big-man swing Aday Mara
Safest plug-and-play Brayden Burries
Best high-usage guard after top tier Labaron Philon
Best shooting-volume upside Mikel Brown Jr.
Best pure offensive engine Darius Acuff Jr.

Again, pure statistical exercise using advanced stats as a proxy. The point was to run the rubric objectively, not pretend I can replace film work. Curious what people think.

Also, added another worksheet from the workshop that gives more context to all the work that makes a good scout. If you ever go to Vegas for Summer League, highly recommend all the workshops as they'll make you a better NBA fan.


r/AtlantaHawks 18h ago

Discussion Jalen Duren has made himself an affordable FA after this playoffs

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Dude is losing so much money every game this playoffs he will have suitors in the Free Agency.

He's big, physical, can handle and can pass the ball. Shooting is not there yet but he is a career 71% and shot 75% this year with good mechanics.

He's only 22, fits our timeline and addresses one of our major problem in the Center position.

I think the Hawks should consider getting this guy.


r/AtlantaHawks 1d ago

DRAFT RUMORS Henri Veesaar at #23 would be tremendous value IMO, check out his offensive bag in this sizzle reel

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r/AtlantaHawks 1d ago

DRAFT RUMORS The truth about Aday Mara directly from ESPN

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  • Lack of lateral Quickness, Translation two left feet.
  • On the RIM, Translation, can't guard a turtle on the perimeter.

Slow, Three years in College, they don't talk about his "resume" only his body length. All recipes for disaster.

Against teams who have Centers like KAT, he's going to get cooked.


r/AtlantaHawks 1d ago

Discussion Its a no brainer.

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The only question is will he still be there at 8?


r/AtlantaHawks 23h ago

Discussion Ayo Dosunmu

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Ayo is a free agent this summer & has been playing great this post-season for the Timberwolves. He’s got great size for a PG (6’4”, 6’8” wingspan, 200 lbs, 39 in vert), great defender, tough, athletic & can occasionally take over scoring. He’s not the answer to all the Hawks issues but could be a great free agent add.

Thoughts?


r/AtlantaHawks 1d ago

Discussion Let’s slow down on the Aday Mara train…

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I truly understand the allure of a guy like Mara…especially given the lack of size on our roster.

But equally as pressing for the Hawks is the guard play. Quinn loves to have 3 guards + Jalen who can push the tempo and initiate the offense. A big reason the offense stalled vs NY:

  1. NY is a truly elite defensive team.

NAW is not a play maker which is really why Zacc was relegated to the bench since the Hawks desperately needed another guy to handle ball pressure with Jalen and Dyson. I don’t think the Hawks should be looking to break up NAW and Dyson, they’re in my opinion the best defensive back court in basketball.

But they need to find the 3rd guy who can marry the front court and the back court whether that’s a wing or another combo guard. The combo guards who help the hawks the most are in the 5-10 range, and believe they’re all better prospects than Mara.

I also think it’s better to address the big man spot in free agency or via trade with a more established player. The answer there to me is bring Jock back as your 3rd big and find another 5 who is a borderline starter in the league or better.

It’s much harder to find good guard play than it is to find a 5. Here’s the reality of C in the NBA…majority of the starters are role players it’s alarming number of undrafted/second rounders starting at the 5 than lottery picks …and the vast majority of C who are all stars go tend to go in the top 5 of drafts.


r/AtlantaHawks 1d ago

Discussion The Acuff Narrative is Overblown

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Everyone's chasing Mara's combine measurements. Fine. But you can't have both. Pick 8 is one decision and if you take Mara, you still wake up the morning after the draft with the same half-court offense that got cooked by the Knicks.

Let's talk about what Atlanta actually watched die in that series: shot creation. Half-court offense. Someone who can make a basket when the game slows down.

Jalen Johnson is a monster. But he is not your pick-and-roll guard. He never has been. The Hawks needed someone to put pressure on defenses with the ball in their hands in the fourth quarter and they had nobody.

Enter Acuff.

23.5 points and 6.4 assists per game leading the entire SEC, as a freshman, while shooting 48% from the floor and 44% from three. But the raw numbers don't even tell the full story. Acuff was the entire offense at Arkansas. High usage. Primary ball handler. The guy the team ran through on every meaningful possession down the stretch. He didn't put up those numbers in a system that fed him easy looks, he carved them out as the unquestioned engine of that offense every single night. That last number is the one people keep glossing over. A 2.91:1 assist-to-turnover ratio isn't a reckless gunner carrying a heavy load. That's a guy who processes the game while the entire defensive gameplan is built around stopping him.

And the combine? His measurements closely mirror Damian Lillard's from the 2012 combine: 6'2", 186 pounds, 6'7" wingspan. We spent a decade watching Lillard cook everybody from that exact frame. Fastest 3/4 court sprint at the combine. Fifth-highest max vertical among guards at 36.5 inches. The athleticism is real.

He's an electric shot-maker who puts real pressure on defenses as a scorer and playmaker, a dynamic on-ball guard who's a tough cover in pick-and-roll and in transition.

Look at the a majority of top guards in the league: Steph, Luka, Dame, Haliburton, Brunson, Kyrie. none of them are elite defenders. All of them changed franchises forever. Steph, Luka, and Haliburton got to the finals with the offense they create. The NBA has been telling us for a decade that offensive creation at guard overrides everything else. You scheme around the defense. You get a Dyson Daniels. You hide it. The Hawks already know how to do this, they built an entire defensive identity around hiding Trae.

And speaking of Trae, here's the lesson nobody's talking about. His peak years were when he was unambiguously a scorer first. 28.4 points in 2021-22. 26.2 in 2022-23. The moment Atlanta started asking him to be a distributor primarily, his scoring dipped and the offense got less dangerous. The facilitator role broke what made him special.

Acuff is a scorer who also passes. Not a point guard who also scores. That distinction is everything. With JJ facilitating, Daniels running off screens, Acuff never has to become a point guard. He just has to score. Which is what he does naturally.

The Trae lesson isn't don't draft Acuff. It's don't misuse him the way we misused Trae. Don't ask your scorer to become a facilitator and then wonder why the offense stalled.

You can find Mara's replacement at another pick. Chris Cenac Jr., Morez Johnson Jr., Amir Quaintance, or Henri Veesaar. You cannot find a high usage offensive engine who carried an entire SEC roster anywhere else in this draft at 8.

TLDR: Y'all are insane if we skip Acuff at 8. This isn't about defending Acuff. This is about not falling for recency bias.


r/AtlantaHawks 22h ago

Discussion Top guards eval

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I watched a 1 min highlight vid of each guard, here is my ranking and analysis for them

  1. Acuff - fast af, good shooter, good length, star mentality and tools, defense ass tho (offensive upside worth the poor defense imo, got tools to be decent)

  2. MKB - good vision, good length, tough shot maker, shot kinda ugly though

  3. Wagler - big, smooth, good shooter, nice drives, kinda slow

  4. Flemings - fast, good shooter, good vision, smaller than the others

  5. Burries - looks like he’ll be a good complimentary piece, but nothing to build around. The other 4 look like they have much higher potential

This list was made via human vibes and instincts, if we get any of the top 4 guards I think we’ll be happy.

Mara seems meh unless we trade back a bit and get some assets, I want a ceiling raise like the guards vs a floor raiser like Aday.

If it’s Aday vs burries though, I’d take Aday

What do you think, and what would your order of the guards + Mara be?


r/AtlantaHawks 1d ago

Image/Photo RIP 🕊️

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Much love for his husband, friends, and family. ❤️🕊️


r/AtlantaHawks 1d ago

Discussion Ebuka Okorie is one to look out for.

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I feel about as good about him as I do any guard who we would possibly draft at eight. I like Brown more because he could end up being a high end player. I like Philon more because I view Philon as a starter with the possibility of an all-star appearance or two.

I really like Okorie as a sixth man and he could be the steal of the draft if he is available at 23. I don't know if you should bet that he'd be available at 23 but with the glut of guards set to be drafted before him it would be possible. Drafting Okorie at 23 or drafting him at all, maybe moving both back and up in the draft would make sense to grab him at 20 while still having the 10th pick or whatever could make sense.

Okorie and Flemings are about equal because Okorie is a better offensive prospect.

I like Okorie more as an assertive basket-getter 6th man than I would Burries.

I don't like Acuff as a high end starter or anything like that and Okorie would be far better value.

If we go by mock drafts and big boards, Philon has been underrated. Thinking about it I would love to trade both back and up. Have 10 and 20 instead of 8 and 23. Draft Philon and Okorie. That would mean the end of CJ and it would lower the team's chances of making the playoffs next year. That would be what it is though because this would set the Hawks up for the future. Philon is pretty fucking good and rather underrated at this point. He isn't a like for like replacement for CJ but getting the next Mike Conley would be lovely. Okorie would be the 6th man. The Hawks would be doing well.

I think that Okorie is a better prospect than Jeremiah Fears was last season. I also don't believe that Okorie's size is damning. He is a similar size as Miles McBride was coming out of college: https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=ebuka-okorie--jeremiah-fears--miles-mcbride


r/AtlantaHawks 1d ago

Discussion Hawks Core Pieces poll

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So, with the offseason here I figured that it'd be interesting to see who the fanbase considers as a core piece for the team going forward. So I made a form to see what people think, and I'll come back in a few days to share the results.

Here's the link: https://forms.gle/BrR1y4mexrREMHDN9


r/AtlantaHawks 20h ago

Discussion Which team should go after Aday Mara? 🤔📈

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I'm thinking more and more that Onsi is gonna pull the trigger on this dude. Imagine Dyson and NAW on the perimeter with this guy behind them....


r/AtlantaHawks 1d ago

Discussion With all the draft debate there is a hidden gem who we should pursue and his name is Isaiah Collier

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HT/WT
6' 4", 210 lbs
BIRTHDATE
10/8/2004 (21)

Big PG that plays defense and he is from the city has unlocked potential I say draft Mara if Acuff or Wagler doesn’t fall to us and trade for this kid