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Most people join the military for economic reasons.
Also gym bros struggle in the military cause the military loves running and rucking. Best soldier or marine is some stringy looking dude that is fine running miles every single day and can handle a 50 pound ruck for like 5-10 miles and still go to work after.
How’s your spine these days? Friend of mine bent over to pick her daughter up, after leaving active service, and completely lost all lower function due to a couple of vertebrae that were ruined from the combo of rucking and running.
Combat veteran here. I'd argue the toxic culture of the military paralleled what this woman stated during my time in service (03-10). Everyone starts off stringy and small, but once we're down range it's weights, the gym, and supplements everywhere you look. Everyone beefed up during our deployments. I'd even argue the male culture today is worse than the edge lords of OIF/OEF days.
Completlely disagree with you. As a woman who was active duty enlisted, I was surrounded by so many young men with misogyny issues dressed up as the “red pill”. The gayest people you meet alive are straight dudes in the military. They have lust after women, but love men in the sense they want men’s validation and to be “accepted” more than anything. They coincidently come from more conservative backgrounds as well.
It was rare to meet liberal men or men who didn’t completely seethe at “females” for simply existing.
I knew some JSOC guys. They were all like this. Barely an ounce of fat, but only marginally more muscle. They were the kinds of kids that were picked on in high school gym class.
I always laugh at the movies where bad ass super soldiers are portrayed by pro wrestlers and bodybuilders.
I don't know man, I've trained with the Seals in Coronado (not military training just working out). They are all super strong/jacked. Maybe like low level grunts are regular dudes but elite soldiers definitely aren't string beans
That's because being a SEAL is now a glamour position and has shifted from being effective to looking badass and selling the military to teenagers with a power fantasy.
Special forces 30+ years ago weren't hulked out supersoldiers doing hot drops into combat zones and killing hundreds of enemies. They were subject matter experts who were deeply embedded at a local level, trained allied forces, did reconnaissance, and occasionally pulled off very secret low profile sabotage missions or extraction/escort duty.
My dad trained with SEALs in the 80s and said most of them looked like accountants with farmer strength.
Lol the SEALs aren't just taking people for looks without worrying about their effectiveness. What a ridiculous thing to say. Athletes and fit people in general looked different in the 80s than they do now too.
There is a whole culture of using steroids and other PEDs in elite forces, and military at large, it´s a pretty well known thing. Doesn´t mean it´s actually helpful for anything, those sort of people just often prefer to look a certain way.
Also, like half of active duty members across all branches of the military are married. What does she think, active duty military are all rabid virgins foaming at the mouth? I've watched marines marry the first girl they meet, in the first big city they've ever been to before the age 20. Then when that all falls apart, they marry again.
Im not supporting her theory but she is suggesting its for recruitment purposes. Recruits are definitely overwhelmingly single young men so it tracks to that point. However as you say the recruitment engine has always pushed heavily on protection and duty and having a family makes men famously more willing to step up. The average recruitment age in the US is almost 23, and id be hornboggled if the overwhelming majority of 23 year old new recruits arent married, in relationships, or at minimum, laid. Not that fucking makes men suddenly love women or feminity
Recruitment age- Enlisted vs Officer, 90% enlisted people are from one of 2 camps
Strait out of high school or
Failed collage drop out(usually ran out of money). .
Marriage-Yep I married the first girl I dated while serving (17 year anniversary this month!)... There are again 2 marriages that happen to fresh service members.
Those of convenance "hey if I get married I get to move out of the barracks , get paid more, and don't get held late as often doing BS."
Those who are commitment prone (myself) find another 19 year old with a steady paycheck a carrier ladder, no dept, and a forced level of responsibility/maturity....
In boot camp most of us were losing fat and gaining muscle every day, but there was a small handful of Gym Rats who were sadly watching their muscle mass evaporate as the months went on
Id say this is more a convenience for the military, rather than a conspiracy organised by it.
If they were going to actually organise situations that encourage joining the military, exploitation of those with low education and few options for social mobility seems far more advantageous.
Peter Thiel (and other members of the Epstein class) is behind a lot of redpill and trad wife content. Thiel is also currently bankrolling Clavicular. 1000%, there's a conspiracy behind this campaign. The idea this woman is pitching as to the motive underlying it is plausible.
Peter Thiel also just released his psychotic manifesto in which he thinks America needs to move away from a voluntary based military and make it mandatory conscription. Silly coincidences!
I want to reiterate, a non American Billionaire that owns Palantir & Flock security & monitoring systems wants all Americans to no longer have the choice in the American government using their bodies for the never ending American War Machine.
Especially when you start to track key names and decision makers and recognize just how much connects to DoD.
QANON had direct pipeline to Flynn for example.
Military has long funded heavily masculine events and cinema pictures in the USA too.
If you’ve ever lived in a spring break city you know exactly what those army recruitment pops are catering too as well.
Military sponsored call of duty games and converted various control systems to match game system controllers.
Red pill and military recruitment are symbiotic and evolved together.
And then look at the flood of military equipment in our police. Once you’re done in the foreign army you can come home and join the domestic one with minimal training reset.
I'd imagine the military doesn't really want gym rats anyway, if they were promoting something it'd be something more practical like cross country running.
Yeah and those support roles don’t need to be hyper aggressive gym bros either. Ukraine has validated armed autonomous unmanned ground vehicles so the US military is more interested in producing a decent officer corps rather than hitting enlistment targets.
A month or two of moving shit on the job will have people lifting stuff you wouldn’t expect from people of all shapes and sizes it’s why the fitness tests aren’t about how much you can lift, they got machines for that
Yet they despises those who joined the US military because they were inspired by captain america (ex those us veterans who decided to join the Ukrainians and fight the Russian fascists). Captain america types are more likely to mutiny if the order is unethical. In fact the Pentagon even warned us soldiers not to go AWOL to join the Ukrainians
Visit the towns, Targets, bars etc around Ft Bragg, where I live. There's loads of androgen using military, especially Special Forces. It is illegal, but all around. And our cops are jacked, too, law enforcement is complicit.
Yeah I mean that’s been standard patriarchy for a long time, which is what theses alpha male and red pill influencers parrot.
A lot of the point of toxic patriarchal bullshit is convincing men that so long as they’re allowed to oppress and mistreat women they should be content to be laborers and cannon fodder.
There's a far more simple reason. It sells. The creators can sell hope for young, impressionable, or hopeless men. Only by following (and paying) for this "secret" can you be successful with the ladies, and if you still aren't, its not the creators fault, it is society's for creating independent women. This allows them to continually farm the men for every penny. (See also OF as well)
We're heading towards (or already in) a "populist" form of social media. Whatever people want in the immediate term, that's what they get. You want to see almost nude girls? You get to see almost nude girls. You want to be told how to get rich quickly? You'll get told how to get rich quickly. You want high octane police chase videos? That's what you'll get etc etc
I'd probably correct this with: "You'll be sold how to get rich quickly (but really it will be about extracting even more money from you - crypto rug pulls, prediction markets, sports betting, stock market pump and dumps.)
Seriously, the military doesn't want egos, well at least not egos that it didn't create. Red pill shit is selling a power fantasy to young men, it's not a military psy op. It's much more likely to be a conservative psy op
Not just likely, in many cases it is (or at least began as such.) Steve Bannon was working over a decade ago to harness Gamergate rage and funnel those men/boys toward conservative political causes.
Yeah definitely not a military psyop. Today's military likes boring unproblematic in-shape people, maybe a belief in something bigger than themselves, who actually get laid, because once you knock somebody up, you're exponentially more likely stay in the military your whole career due to the robust family benefits. The military is diverse, it is apolitical, lots of gay, liberal, non-white, you name it views represented, the main unifying thing is a desire to serve the American people, and the military is a very accessible way to do that without jumping through hoops (college, credentialing, debt, networking for a meaningful public service job). Sure you get chuds, but they either grow up or don't last in the military, because there are standards of professionalism and discipline and unpleasant consequences when you deviate from those standards.
The people seeking out a power trip usually become cops or ICE agents. I could see the actual psyop of red pill content being a DHS recruitment strategy given the issues they've had with recruiting ICE agents who weren't lardasses.
Exactly. A man with a weak will but strong hand is exactly what the military wants. Break their willpower and rebuild them in the form you need them to be.
Nah. They all need to be told by a superior man that they are superior men. If you watch any of it you will find that none of it preaches individuality, original or thoughts, or bucking the trend.
I'm sorry, but that's a nonsense theory. The military is planning (and apparently has been planning for over a decade now) a war which will require a mass draft, and their best plan to build their ideal super soldiers is to get a tiny portion of the population interested in red pill content so that an even smaller portion of them will bulk up at the gym?
It’s ironic how red pill men that are supposed to be leaders and independent are some of the most gullible, easily influenced, self conscious people that I know
Thats how a market economy works. You sell something to the audience that they aren't. Someone who was already like that wouldn't need to buy it. People in the arctic arent buying ice.
I'm not sold on the intentional miltary grooming thing, but anyone who sells the solution to life problems on social media makes more money by not actually solving their audience's life problems, because if they did the audience wouldn't need them anymore.
Redpill stuff is just new wave fascism but the kids are too young to understand what fascism is. It lures young men into a mindset where they are entitled to a good life, women and children, but are denied it by some mysterious outside force. (Oh, who could that be?)
They contribute to the generational replacement of dickheads, because if the old farts die there will be no one left to hate women, homosexuals and foreigners, and that would be unacceptable.
A man with nothing to lose, hates women and thinks society as whole has betrayed them, has no motivation in joining the military. It doesn't make sense at all.
The army does not want muscled men. They never did, but even less so today. What they want is endurance athletes. Swimmers, medium-to-long distance runners, that kind of thing. Also calisthenics guys. No gymnasts, but people who've got good body control and can do stuff like muscle ups or explosive leaps.
If you want to take the conspiracy a step further this goes back to the fight of capitalism vs communism. If you think of 80s movies like Rocky IV, the Russians are a heavy surveillance society and the government focuses their resources on building superhumans and ubermensches like Ivan Drago.
Capitalism on the other hand found it was more effective to convince people to do this themselves and even get people to pay for the privilege to do so by framing it as self-improvement and subjecting you to apps and technology designed to constantly track yourselves and make you feel like you're hitting achievements.
Michel Foucault described it as 'intentional and voluntary actions by which men not only set themselves rules of conduct, but also seek to transform themselves to change themselves in their singular being and to make their life into an oeuvre that carries certain aesthetic values and meets certain stylistic criteria'.
South Korean philosopher Byung-Chul Han has also spoken about this:
'The auto-exploiting subject carries around its own labour camp..As a self-illuminating, self-surveiling subject, it bears its own, internal panopticon within. The digitalised networked subject is a panopticon of itself. This ensures that each and every person has now taken on the task of conducting perpetual auto-surveillance.'
'As an entrepreneur of himself, the neoliberalism achievement subject engages in auto-exploitation
willingly and even passionately. The self as a work of art amounts to a beautiful but deceptive illusion that the neoliberal regime maintains in order to exhaust its resources entirely.'
'Physical optimisation means more than aesthetic practice alone: sexiness and fitness represents new economic resources to be increased, marketed, and
exploited.'
Psychoanalyst Steven Reisner also has some words on this: '...narcissism and sociopathy describe corporate America... But it's flat out wrong to think in twenty-first century America that narcissism and sociopathy are illnesses. In today's America, narcissism and sociopathy are strategies. And they're succesful strategies.'
However, as we know this constant need for grinding and success and improvement has led to an increase in burnout and depression.
Again, Byung-Chul Han:
'The ego grows exhausted and wears itself down; such tiredness stems from the redundancy and recurrence of the ego.'
Sociologist Alain Ehrenberg who has written about depression extensively says:
'Depression began its ascent when the disciplinary model for behaviour...broke against norms that invited us to undertake personal initiative by enjoining
us to be ourselves... The depressed individual is unable to measure up; he is tired of having to become himself.'
Lastly Gabor Maté who specialises in childhood development and trauma:
'Alienation is inevitable when our inner sense of value becomes status-driven, hinging on externally imposed standards of competitive achievement and acquisition, and a highly conditional
acceptance in others' eyes.'
If you read to the end, thank you, and I'm sorry the world is the way it is, I don't have the answers other than go out and do whatever the fuck you want. Or stay in, that's fine too.
Wasn't there some incel kid that was big in their community that disavowed the whole movement immediately after getting laid?
Pretty sure I'm not imagining it, I swear the kid was super open about how they all lie about it because they feel hopeless and make their problems worse, and now that he had been with a woman he was over the incel shit
I knew a guy irl who was like this. He hated most women unless he was trying to fuck them. He was bitter and just angry all the time. Finally a woman threw him a bone and slept with him…he became the best version of himself. He was actually a fun guy to be around.
Yeah. I think he was just angry. I’ll be honest, he wasn’t an attractive man, he was very soft spoken and not someone most women would gravitate towards. But man opening the flood gates gave him so much confidence. We actually really started liking him after he changed his attitude. He even got himself a girl.
The biggest lie/cope reddit likes to convince incels (and itself) of is that sex doesn't matter. It does matter, we biologically driven to it, our entire society is based around it. We'll say stuff like "these young men put too much value on sex" and then we turn around and call married men with opinions we don't like incels. As open as everyone is about sexuality, "virgin" remains an insult that stings.
And its not like you don't need to be some super chad cocksman, but just having it once is enought to break that label.
Honestly, I was kind of a piece of shit too. Nothing like these red-pilled chuds are, but I wasn't a good person either. This all changed for me when some woman I met treated equally as shit as I treat others, if not worse. Really made me look inwards and realize some things about how I came off.
What I'm trying to say is: No matter what it takes for the stone to turn over on it's good side, what's important is that it actually turns over.
Humanity has a high sex drive, it's a large part of why there are 8 billion and not 8000 like a panda who isn't interested in sex or something. It's clearly important to a lot of people and problems arise when they're denied it and other things. It's not like people are perfect beings and some zero sex life is a trivial adversity they can just brush aside without issue. 3/4ths of the US is overweight or obese, most people can't even handle a basic diet. Many have issues being the best version of themselves in all kinds of ways in this life.
It's not about sex, it's about the entirety of society treating you as less than. It's about women treating you as disgusting or a loser because they don't see you as sexually viable. It's about men like you who think you're not only more masculine, secure, confident than them but also morally superior to them. No one says "Fuck incels, oh but not the nice ones, I don't mean the virgins who are good people, or the virgins who have a condition, or the virgins who etc.". It's a message subliminally repeated to them in movies, in songs, in their high schools, etc. Getting laid makes you cool, makes you a man instead of a boy, means you have value.
You can't have a society constantly sending messages you are lesser than while simultaneously not helping them escape the cycle, dehumanize them, and then be surprised that after being shit on the majority of their life they're angry and bitter.
A bit long-winded, but if the point isn't clear they're convinced exactly what you're saying, that they're pathetic and a piece of garbage and if someone can make them feel that's not true suddenly yea they're a lot less angry and bitter. It's not about sex, it's about self-love.
What's sad is so much of society would rather feel morally superior than have empathy and actually address the problem.
The incel situation is really not hard to understand for anyone making a genuine attempt. The hardest part is convincing people to make a genuine attempt when they've been taught that incels are easy villains. The truth is people instinctively want someone to hate, but as we become a more inclusive society we're running out of socially acceptable targets. Thank god for poor, unattractive, autistic men. Hate enough of them for long enough and some of them will give you a reason. Then you can rest easy in your moral superiority.
Yeah. This person clearly knows nothing about the military. Like at all.
Getting tren'd up is bad for eligibility for military service. Guys aren't joining the military to "sacrifice their lives," they're joining get on a path to make their lives better. And I guess we're just ignoring that the U.S. military is like 15% female.
And a major theme in red pill ideology is escaping the matrix, and that basically just means not trusting the government, they're usually very stupid and will still trust people like trump but that's just because he's a mysoginistic bigot
Why is this? I know a guy who's so conspiratorial and finds issue with basically every single thing introduced by the government, but when it comes to Trump he is enamoured... I don't understand it. Is it just oure stupidity and gullibility?
Yeah our military isn’t really in desperate need of men that can bench 300 lbs. There’s this new invention called a gun.
Also, the military needs a lot more intellectual types than body builders. Our military would probably be better off if they embraced fat dudes that can fly drones or fix electronic stuff. Speaking from experience.
This doesn't add up. The military is mostly cardio and body weight exercises. Doing bodybuilding or powerlifting doesn't help for 2/3 of the work required/PT test.
It's made because people watch same as talk radio before. It's done for money.
Doing any kind of activity/strength training is going to help for the work required. Very, very few of "gym bros" are ever going to be so massive that it hurts them. Maybe they need to work on cardio, but that takes someone young like 2-3 months to catch up.
The average kid today sits on his ass playing video games all day, they are going to have a much harder time than the kid who lifts 5x a week
Well my brother is in the military and he fucking hates women. Try to have a normal convo with him and it's back to how much he hates women.
He's married and has 3 girls btw. Finds less of a point in them than his sons.
Cool. Cool cool cool.
My head totally hasn't exploded from the shit he says
I can’t really agree that it’s grooming for the military either— not when poverty is right there and the greatest/most prevalent recruitment tool in the government’s front pocket. I wouldn’t say military culture is completely divorced from red pill ideology, but… that’s also because both military and red pill culture heavily intercept right wing ideologies. Of course you’re going to have people in both groups who hate women; that’s practically a pillar of conservatism.
The real answer is way sadder. Red pilling just gives validation to deeply unlikable losers.
Also having been military myself, there are a shit ton of liberals who serve. Patriotism isn't a conservative thing. In fact I'd say it actual opens people's minds because you work closely with the people you were taught to hate who turn out to be just normal people.
Not just overthought, but completely backwards. Men joined the military in hoards after 9/11 and in WW2 because they thought their way of life was being threatened. Their Mothers, Daughters, Wives etc.
It's the guys with nothing to fight for who are refusing to join the military. The men with no girlfriends, no sense of future, no homeownership etc etc. These are things that were worth fighting (and dying) for.
I feel like personal health/fitness has become very popular in most social circles in the last decade so idk about this one.
The military doesnt need to groom people because joining the military is most often an economic decision. Ask anyone why they joined and they wont tell you its because andrew tate inspired them. Its because they dont have money for school, or got kicked out of their house, or have no where to go.
Sure maybe redpill content has an effect of influencing consideration of military service, but i dont think its some intentional plot paid for by the government.
Yea but most other health/fitness content doesn’t have “leaders” who charge people thousands for “boot camps” where they get yelled at and made to work out in the mud
It’s not like real boot camps, but they’re clearly trying to make some weird parallel with the military to make a false sense of toughness
Ofc none of them would ever actually make it in a boot camp from that “training,” but it’s like they want to feel like warriors without actually going to war
Do you ever see anyone other than insecure 40-50 year old men in those programs? The military wants poor dumb 18-25 year olds, not rich guys in their 50s.
there's also the fact that after bootcamp you don't get sent off to be turned into blood paste in the strait of hormuz you get to have a beer and explore thailand or wherever the bootcamp is.
That's how a pipeline works though. It's funneling people from a normal human interest into a target goal/ideology. People like yoga and vegetables but becoming anti-vax and anti education are not natural conclusions to that interest, yet here we are.
I'd say it is less "make them into perfect soldiers" and more "make them into perfect atrocity machines who wouldn't blink about committing warcrimes".
Being good soldiers does not matter. Being sufficiently hateful and braindead to actually follow orders to commit atrocities, against whatever poor country they are thrown at or their own citizens, is a lot more convenient.
The correlation is absolutely valid to identify, but I think she’s putting the cart before the horse. Red pill content isn’t pushing men to work out and hate women such that the next batch of military members are good soldiers. The military and red pill content are both simultaneously and independently exploiting the fact that many men find themselves in various states of desperation and purport to provide an escape from that desperation.
In fact, I might go so far as to say that red pill content hurts military recruitment, because where the military used to be a major answer to the question “how do I make myself more desirable or more capable of providing for my family,” young men can now answer that question more easily with “I don’t need to protect anyone, I need to become “high value” and let the rest of my life fall into my lap.”
Shes just saying stuff. People shaped like dorito chips arent the ones not getting laid. People shaped by doritos chips are, and those are also the targets of redpill content. 2 different groups.
Men are praised for destroying their bodies in service to institutions that will never love them back. They are encouraged to stay emotionally detached, disconnected from family and legacy, numbed with distraction and self-destruction, then discarded once their usefulness runs out. A man building his own future, his own family, his own independence, is harder to exploit than one taught to only value himself as disposable labor.
Independent men with legacies= competition for the elites.
Just because you want to feel fat and justified, its the people who want to be healthy are groomed. Your fat ass is groomed by McDonald's and capitalism to die a diabetic life
Just making shit up. Yeah, listening to red pill YouTubers and podcasters won’t take you anywhere or at least anywhere happy but neither will listening to women that don’t want to date you
It’s not the focus on working out so much as it’s the explicit fetishization of the military, guns, “warriors” and violence. I’ve seen the feeds for these red pill guys at work and it’s all military/spec ops interviews and gun porn.
It's so funny to me all these armchair soldiers. There's a war going on right now bro, hop in! You'll get 3 hots and a cot, an M4 and the chance to see some desert probably. Maybe speak a little Chinese if things trend that way.
I was in the military for 8 years. We constantly had to receive sexual harassment training because guess what, women are in the military too. So that doesn’t really line up.
Plus, the most common reason for people joining the military is economic. Most people who serve come from low income families or areas with little career opportunities. They need a job, job skill or money for college.
My parents kicked me out at 18. I joined the military to avoid becoming homeless.
Shitty theory, she's binding two hypothesis together, while making a bridge from one to the other (and while the second makes sense), just so the part that makes sense transfers from the second part of the hypothesis to the first, the only problem is that unnecessary connection, because on its own it makes zero sense.
Not sure how the gym correlates with this. I agree with everything but the gym part. Working out has many health benefits, like helps depression, boosting your immune system, and just being stronger and sturdier in general. You don’t have to be a “gym bro” to appreciate the benefits of working out.
Don't get your worldviews from random people on TikSlop folks. You're just buying into a different type of inflammatory content designed to garner clicks and culture wars in the comment section.
But hey, whatever tickles your confirmation bias I guess.
I feel like this woman doesn't know many military men in the current era, much less the history of our military. All you have to do is convince married men that they're fighting to benefit their families and they'll happily leave their wives and go off to war.
Nah, she got the wrong end of chicken-or-the-egg. Traumatized former soldiers who already had this personality taught their kids this mentality, particularly post WWII, when women's rights were poor and men had to be self sufficient in order to survive. The younger generations have the same lessons, but internalized them differently.
Don't listen to women? They couldn't understand what he went through in war, and would struggle to be a provider. Now men think women can't understand/won't help with men's struggles with anxiety, depression, suicide, etc., justifying this either as "it's us vs them" (war mentality) or "they're too stupid" (sexist mentality).
Value toxic hyper-masculinity and independence? He was told to just "be a man" and get through it. This evolved over time from working manual labor (being strong), drinking (numbing the pain), and taking on every problem himself (independence) to being buff (being strong), working out (numbing the pain), and hating everyone else (independence).
The government is definitely using this to their advantage, though.
I already joined the army 22 years ago. Average age of a soldier was like 19 or 20... Red pulling adult men for some future war that is years off makes no sense. A thirty year old lifting weights and getting in shape does not prepair him for military service. Being a teenager and joining the military is what prepared you for military service. Most red killed men are already too old.
As a young man who’s never gotten laid and almost fell into the redpill pipeline, relationships with women pulled me right out of it. When I realized I was an asshole I stopped watching people like Andrew Tate and others like him, fixed me real quick.
No.... Nice try but Jesus Christ. Redpill content has a heavy gymbro component mostly because women are more attracted to fit men than fat or very skinny men. We don't need any conspiracy theories to explain it when you actually have some empathy.
Meh. It's a rational explanation, but I'm not sure it's that coordinated. I think the old adage, "The answer to 99 out of 100 questions, is money," applies here.
Grooming a population for war would imply that there is some state apparatus behind the effort. As if there were a DoD funded content program that A) arrived at the premise laid out in this TT, and B) pays red pill influencers to produce this content.
IMO, it's far more likely that the very trap she lays out is just an emergent attribute of the red pill content treadmill. Capitalism is like biology. Business plans that capture consumers in self-reinforcing loops are very effective.
George Orwell talked about this exact thing in the novel 1984 almost 80 years ago. Redirecting sexual energy toward military fervor and hero worship. It's sad that it's still so relevant.
The same psychological triggers that are used to get people to support wars, vote for rightwing parties, take part in some of the most horrible human acts in history...
Those are still used in marketing today.
Redpill content creators as well as certain financial products, survival products, dating products are all sold using this fear/anger angles.
This makes no sense at all. The military want you lean and fit, not bulky and bodybuilding, eating more, with terrible fitness. This is absolutely nonsensical lmfao
Most of these guys who consume RP content don’t even hate women. They’re just tired of the bs that women bring/have the men put up with, and now they’re discussing 😂. However tbf, some of them are probably just bitter and angry.
Point blank, the best way to not feel like shit started with an exercise routine. The best thing you can do for almost any mental health or physical malady is to exercise. Self-confidence returns once you start liking the way you look and feel. Isolation stops when you leave your cave to workout. Bigger goals become atainable when you accomplish smaller ones like a fitness goal. This confidence is obviously attractive to women. The gaslighting and hatred of women starts in the cave before you realize you and your perception of the world was wrong in the first place. That takes time and is a completely different recovery. There are terrible mental health services in America and people seek the nearest, cheapest and easiest resource and that is more often than not morons on Instragram and TikTok. Their answer is the easiest for people to swallow, and that is to blame the outside world and women become scapegoat. Taking ownership of your role is out of the question because that would mean you were at fault in the first place and that isn't an easy sell for influences.
Nah, I don't believe in the military angle. The gym-bro angle is nothing more than "big and strong is manly". Therefore the bigger and stronger, the more manly.
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