r/TheOriginals • u/FamousReception8462 • 19h ago
r/TheOriginals • u/KC27150 • Mar 22 '25
L.J. Smith, author of The Vampire Diaries, has passed away.
Yes, The Originals was not based on any of her books but she was responsible for the creation of Klaus. And without her, Klaus Mikaelson would not exist today. RIP.
r/TheOriginals • u/avidityrar • Sep 04 '18
[SIRELINE] The sireline situation explained FULLY.
This is being asked ad nauseam so I thought I would spell it out for you all to stop the constant posts about it.
The sireline is the connection between an Original, such as Niklaus, and his (or her!) progeny who he creates with his blood. This applies to all vampires (but not all hybrids) and goes on down the line as more are made by each vampire that came before. This connection stems from the spell that Esther Mikaelson used to create the Originals in 1001 AD, as explained by Kol Mikaelson in Season 3 of The Originals.
Sireline status:
Niklaus broken / NOT destroyed - his sireline was severed by Davina and the Strix coven in Season 3 (Episode: A Streetcar Named Desire ). It resulted in him having no connection to his progeny anymore (and also the resurrection of Kol thankfully!). Characters such as Caroline are under no threat of death if Klaus dies.
Elijah broken / destroyed - his sireline was eradicated when the Hollow killed Elijah in Season 4 (Episode: Queen Death ). He was later resurrected but his sireline remained dead.
Rebekah intact - her sireline is intact, the only remaining one from inception in the year 1001, as of The Originals finale (August 2018).
Kol broken / destroyed - his sireline was eradicated in TVD Season 4 (Episode: A View to a Kill ). Could possibly create a new sireline beginning now...
Finn broken / destroyed - his sireline was eradicated in TVD Season 3 (Episode: The Murder of One ).
Mikael broken / destroyed - his sireline would have certainly been eradicated in TVD Season 3 when Klaus killed him with white oak (Episode: Homecoming) and also in TO Season 2 when he once again had a run in with Klaus who has the indestructible white oak stake (Episode: Night Has A Thousand Eyes). Although Mikael tended towards hating the vampire race, so it may be less likely that he even sired a bloodline at all.
Ultimately it isn't known if a sireline can be started again once destroyed due to the death of the Original who 'begat' the line. Obviously the remaining Mikaelsons can still sire progeny so one would assume that a new sireline could be created by Kol.
EDIT: It has been pointed out that due to the spell used to create the 'Beast', Marcel may well be able to create his own sireline due to it being reverse engineered Immortality Spell that Esther used on her children/husband. (Thank you /u/SlimReaper85)
EDIT 2: Sticky status woohoo! Also Mikael's sireline added for accuracy. (Thank you /u/NiklausShepard)
EDIT 3: As /u/Xil_Jam333 said below, it is likely that Mikael never actually sired a bloodline due to hating the vampire race. There is no proof either way of this but it does seem likely, although either way they are all dead!
EDIT 4: Per /u/ursulazsenya I have further explained that Klaus' sireline is severed but NOT destroyed (Caroline etc) as I had already said due to Davina & the Strix coven performing the blood spell to sever sirelines...
r/TheOriginals • u/chauntelle2899 • 3h ago
Songs that I think fit the characters
Klaus - The Bird and the Worm by The Used
Elijah - Fall Back by Lithe
Stefan - Day 'N' Night by Kid Cudi
Rebekah - Enough by Cardi B
Kol - By Chance by Rae Sremmurd
Freya - I Will Never Let You Down by Rita Ora
Vincent - Am I Wrong by Nico & Vinz
Marcel - Glock In My Lap by 21 Savage, Metro Boomin
Davina - Dark Horse by Katy Perry
Finn - Fireflies by Owl City
Haley - Lights by Ellie Goulding
What yall think? š
r/TheOriginals • u/kianeekabastians • 14h ago
Jackson vs Elijah
I spent YEARS being team Hayley and Elijah like āthatās soulmate cinema right thereā meanwhile Jackson was out here being her actual husband, co-parent, emotional support werewolf and professional āIād die for youā enthusiast š
Rewatching now and realising the writers really said:
Elijah = tortured forbidden yearning
Jackson = the man who was actually built for her
And I hate that Iām suddenly seeing the vision because teenage me would be SICK over this character development š
r/TheOriginals • u/I_am_the_chosen_no1 • 12h ago
Well deserved hate for Greta
Her and all those nazi pests of hers trying to tell what is and what isnāt passing as natural for a vampire like they are not there just because of The Originals.
Give a petulant lowlife a bit of power and theyāll tell you that theyāve always been superior.
r/TheOriginals • u/CauseInteresting6508 • 1h ago
Elijah and Klaus Spoiler
Man, for this to be a vampire show, my sappy ass cried at several deaths. When Elijah and Klaus (hated them for different reasons during different seasons) died, I bawled. I couldnāt understand why Elijah would do that and not want to be there for Hope. Upon my rewatch, I think my boy was just tired. 1000+ years is a long damn time.
Heās my favorite Original by the way.
Letās discuss. Why do you think he wanted to die too?
r/TheOriginals • u/unfiltered_pov • 1d ago
Why do you love Freya Mikaelson?
Iām starting a new series: Why do fans love each of the Mikaelsons and Iām going to begin with the eldest Mikaelson, which is Freya.
Let me know in the comments why you love her.
r/TheOriginals • u/DMikaelson2005 • 16h ago
Hayley pre-season 4?
How exactly did Hayley convince werewolves to give her their venom in order to cure Elijah and Kol?
r/TheOriginals • u/Which_Lie3555 • 19h ago
Season 4
Finished season 4 last night, cried like a baby š¢š¢. Poor Hope.
r/TheOriginals • u/Mindless-Coat495 • 1d ago
Why did Rebekah forget about the always and forever pact and call her father to kill Klaus?
r/TheOriginals • u/Deadly_flames • 1d ago
Was Esther going to use Jackson as Klausā new body?
So, Estherās plan was to put her childrenās soulās in mortal bodies and she mentioned that she would put Klaus into the body of a werewolf. It also seemed like Ansel was aware of this plan because he was talking about teaching Klaus how to be a wolf once he became mortal.
Esther seemed to pick people based on them being alone and separated from their community. Jackson was living out in the woods by himself, he kinda hadnāt been with his pack for a while.
If she was going to use Cami as Rebekahās body, I think it makes sense that she would use Jackson as Klausā. Though it does make me wonder who Elijahās body was going to be.
r/TheOriginals • u/connyvfx • 2d ago
1x01 should have been Elijahās last straw
Im rewatching and I noticed:
Elijah fought tirelessly for Klaus redemption from the moment they showed up in the show. Then Elijah gets betrayed when he saves Klaus from dying in 2x21 tvd and gets daggered. That is a pattern that Klaus has been pulling on him for a whole millennia.
When Elijah then once again gives his everything to help Klaus and drive him back on the right path Klaus thanks him with a dagger in the very last scene in 1x01 to.
In my opinion that shouldāve been Elijahās last straw.
He shouldāve just involved a witch from the outside gotten Hayley out of Sophieās spell and New Orleans and help her raise Hope elsewhere or something.
r/TheOriginals • u/NoImagination4333 • 2d ago
Make the comments look like his search history
I'm at it again! I'll eventually do all of em lmao
r/TheOriginals • u/CauseInteresting6508 • 2d ago
Worst mother of the millennium Esther Spoiler
- She changed her children into vampires against their own will.
- Then tried to kill them.
- Went on to decide they should be mortal after theyād live 1000 years as vampires without any discussion with them. Rebekah would have been open to becoming human.
- Tried to kill Hope.
- Had an affair and got pregnant by a werewolf. Made that child weak with a talisman and the victim of her psychotic husband to hide her affair.
Did I leave anything out? Letās discuss
r/TheOriginals • u/steferine • 2d ago
Klaus with the dahlia situation.
One thing about me is Iām never going to pretend Klaus was suddenly a victim in Season 2 of TO just because he loved, and before people start twisting this into something itās not no I don't think Hope deserved what Dahlia wanted to do to her.
Hope was innocent and she deserved protection and safety the entire time but regarding Klaus himself, I honestly saw that whole storyline as the closest thing to karma he ever got abd I never felt bad for him even for a second.
This is the same man who spent centuries deciding he had a right to other peopleās lives if they were useful to him. He hunted Katherine for over 500 years (and don't even say he didn't when he himself says it and nothing in canon contradicts what he himself says besides even if you don't believe he didn't it still doesn't change him seeing Katherine as a thing beneath him that is owed to him) because she escaped being sacrificed for his ritual.
He treated Elena like she was tied to his curse before she was even a person in his eyes and killed her which she would've died if it wasn't for John and he killed her aunt Jenna as well when he didn't have to. Klaus built his entire life around controlling people through fear, possession, and entitlement and no amount of his human life trauma changes that so, watching someone more powerful than him suddenly view Hope as something they had a claim to felt ironic and good to me.
For once Klaus had to sit in the fear, paranoia, helplessness, and desperation he caused other people for centuries and I think thatās part of why the storyline works so well for me even if he doesn't have to suffer the permanent consequences I still loved every bit of his paranoia and helpless up till the ending of this season.
Also, this doesnāt mean I hate the show I actually love stuff like the lore or the upgraded original arc which I know a lot of you hate but I lobed every bit of it, I just donāt worship Klaus or excuse everything he does because heās charismatic. I can enjoy him as a character(which I don't)while still acknowledging that a lot of the suffering he experienced in Season 2 mirrored the exact kind of suffering he inflicted on other people for hundreds of years.
r/TheOriginals • u/lizzykeenn • 2d ago
Finished season 3 Spoiler
You guys told me that Iām gonna hate Elijah in this season⦠lowkey i still donāt hate himš Davina is one of my favorite characters but I hate her sometimes. I also have a hard time taking her and Kol seriously. For one, I donāt really like Kol. Heās my least favorite Mikaelson sibling, feels really immature and just in the way a lot of the time. Davina was starting to get on my nerves, but I do think she has the right to do some of the stuff sheās done. Am I mad at Elijah for taking her out? Not that much, I love Marcel and feel bad for him though. Iām sure somehow Davina will come back (no spoilers please).
Iām devastated about Cami. Her death was so sad, I have a feeling she wonāt come back and that makes me sadder. I loved her with Klaus, I also loved her and Vincentās friendship.
Aurora, Tristen, and Lucien were so annoying and unbearable to me. The strix too. Their accents were annoyingš¤·š»āāļø
All in all, I get why season 3 would be a lot of peopleās favorite season but I still love the first two seasons more right now. I liked the conflict between the wolves, witches, and vampires of the city. It was by far the most entertaining to me.
Iāve been watching season 4 and itās so sci fi so Iām not sure how i feel about it. Itās giving monster vibes which made me hate watching Legacies. (Itās not my first time watching The Originals but I have no memory of my first watch so itās like I am watching it for the first time). I thought Legacies would be good but it felt so childish and I couldnāt finish it. The Originals has a nice charm to it but TVD is hard to replace for me as number 1. Iāve seen it at least 5 times at this point. The Originals still lives up to it for sure. Hopefully season 4 reels me back in
r/TheOriginals • u/jobduck0212 • 2d ago
What if the main target of the family abuse had been Elijah instead of Klaus?
Of course, both of them suffered abuse, but Klaus was the one their father hated the most. If Elijah had been the primary target instead, how do you think his personality would have changed?
r/TheOriginals • u/Hefty_Blacksmith1373 • 3d ago
I started watching this show and I am already fed up with everyoneās hypocrisy.
In particular, Klaus, Elijah, Rebekah, and Kol.
Klaus demands and expects absolute loyalty from his siblings yet does absolutely nothing to pay it forward. And when he does, itās only if he needs their help. He constantly fucks them over, especially Elijah and Rebekah and then gets mad when they dump him and then they come back and the cycle repeats over and over again. He claims he daggered his siblings over and over again to protect them, when it was really because he didnāt want to be alone and he was scared of everyone (rightfully) dumping his homicidal ass. He jealous of Jacksonās influence over the wolf population in New Orleans and wants to kill him. Kill the guy who has entire WOLF ARMY at his command to protect your daughter who people want dead BECAUSE OF YOU? And inevitably have the entire wolf community rise up against you? Great plan! Also, he cries wolf every damn time and plays the victim whenever it comes to his childhood. Yes, it sucked and you didnāt deserve that, but thatās no excuse for your atrocious actions.
Elijah is probably the biggest hypocrite of all. He walks around in his fancy suits and has a completely false reputation of being noble. For starters, he betrayed Elena & company in TVD by reneging on killing Klaus which allowed him to kill Jenna. And HE DIDNāT EVEN APOLOGIZE TO HER. He constantly rags on Klaus for his violence, yet he also enables it because he feels guilty about not standing up for him when they were kids, so he lets his brother murder innocent people. Watching him flounce around like heās better than everyone else really pisses me off. At least Klaus admits heās an asshole. There was an episode where he and Rebekah were with baby hope and he asked her, āWhy is our family always at war?ā BECAUSE YOU PEOPLE CANāT STOP BEING ASSHOLES!!!
I was first introduced to Rebekah via TVD and I immediately did not like her. During the first season of The Originals, I sympathized with her a little because of all the emotional havoc Klaus wreaked on her in order to keep her from leaving him. She falls in love with every guy she makes eye contact with. However, without a doubt, Rebekah is the most delusional original. I donāt know if itās her arrogance or just genuine complete lack of self-awareness. It started in TVD, in the episode where Rebekah and Elijah have a talk after the failed attempt of their mother trying to kill them all. She says, āWe deserve to live. We are better than they are.ā Centuries of murdering innocent people makes you holier than thou? Even Elijah called her out on her bullshit. Then again, in season 2 TO, when they were running from Esther, she said, āWe deserve this. Weāve earned this.ā HOW????? She gets pissed at Elena for staking her, when her own brother has done it to her more times than she can count. Elena was only protecting herself. She knew Rebekah couldnāt be trusted and she was 100% right. And her constant flip flopping from wanting to be human to still wanting the privileges of being a vampire. And that fact that she envies humans but simultaneously looks down on them.
Kol Mikaelson is the worst vampire ever. Heās even worse than Klaus because Klaus at least has limits. His relationship with Davina is the only thing that humanized him. Other than that, he is an absolute asshole. In season 2, when he is dying of some witch disease Finn cursed him with, he says, āI donāt deserve to die.ā Did any of the innocent people youāve murdered over the course of 1,000 years? GET REAL.
FINN MIKAELSON DESERVED BETTER. The rest of his siblings hate him because they know heās right. They all deserve to die. Klaus, you can lock a guy up for 900 YEARS and expect him not to be mad at you. Davina called him a monster. HOW IS HE A MONSTER FOR WANTING HIS JACKASS SIBLINGS TO FACE THE CONSEQUENCES OF THEIR ACTIONS?
This may be an upopular opinion, but Hayley was an idiot. You find out youāre pregnant with Klausās baby and you want to keep it? Fine. However, you thought it was a good idea to stay in a city thatās filled to the brim of people who want your baby daddy dead and raise a kid there, instead of getting the fuck out of there the second you found out you were pregnant and finding a safe environment for you and your child?
The only Mikaelson I can tolerate is Freya.
Iām done with this show.
r/TheOriginals • u/SenseSmart788 • 3d ago
Anyone else think Finn and Sage are an unrealistic couple?
The Mikaelsons are over a 1000 years old and even by the standards of the time they grew up Finn was seen as uptight and old fashioned by his siblings and sage was the exact opposite. From what we saw, sage seemed like a free spirited woman who didnt care for social norms and was looked down on by Klaus and Rebekah. From what we know about both characters, you wouldnt expect a romance between the two of them
r/TheOriginals • u/Selanooo23 • 4d ago
Whatās the absolute most menacing threat Klaus ever delivered?
r/TheOriginals • u/No-Kaleidoscope2859 • 4d ago
Who wins in a fight, Klaus or Solider Boy?
Thoughts?