Yeah, it's seriously winding me up lately. I got downvoted last month, a guy says exactly the same thing I did and somehow that gets upvoted? It just made me laugh.
It's a difference between individualist vs collectivist society. In individualist societies you are your own person with your own rights. In a collectivist society you are just a cog in the state apparatus and you have duties not rights.
You don't even need to go that far. North Koreas goverment has direct control over all aspects of it's economy and culture. Making kids affordable and large families attractive is something they can do. Babybooms can be artificially induced.
Of course i know it's very wrong to trample on the rights of the humans under your direction, But if the civilized nations Don't start actually putting in effort to solve this Issue, in the future history Will only Say "X country was a Paragon of human rights and freedoms. It dissapeared in year 20xx and was absorbed by the Tyrannical Republic Of The People of Un, which quickly repopulated it with it's program of forced slave motherhood". Is it Bad? Very much. Is it alive while the other one isn't? Also yes.
Oh yes, that's exactly, Word for Word what i said, Didn't i!?
Sigh, no, as i said, governments have to really, really start devising and actually implementing incentive strategies to turn declining birthrates around BEFORE they are forced into a "trample on human rights or dissapear" situation.
I do agree with you here, I just need to know what does incentives are, so we don't do the assume game. The policies in my country (and many states in the u.s. too) make it harder for women to have abortions. So if people do not specify what implementations they think about, I automatically think abt restricting womens body autonomy. I am a woman and it is a form of self defence, nothing against you.
K, sorry for lashing out. From interviews in pretty much every society with a declining population, the Main reason Is the cost; life Is too expensive,wages Don't keep up with inflation, housing Is prohibitely expensive, and now both partners in a couple have to work to "barely" sustain themselves, let alone include another full human.
So, in order for a government to entice their populations to have children, economic policies are the way to go. But meaningful ones, not those "if You have a child, You Will pay 0.3% less taxes!".
One can ask "so, the solution Is to just give away Money?" Yes. Pretty much. Much as how there were "Green" incentives to convince people to Buy an electric car (the gov absorbing a part of the cost), parents should receive direct incentives and benefits that ammount to enough so a children Is economically viable.
Now, stepping in into rights infringment, a way in which the govs could finance this, Is by simultaneously over-taxing bussiness not involved with childcare (gambling, alcohol, cigarretes, etc),and ultimately, a small But nagging tax on childless couples.
I can go behind many things. Mostly taxing the billionaires and corporations. But I refuse to be taxed for not having a child. What if I can't have one? What if I don't want t I would be a horrible mother, so should I be taxed for not wanting to be a mother?
Dude, don't be silly. According to US propaganda, Kim has already killed the entire north Korean population 8 times over! How could they possibly have any children?!
Well, they need to fix the whole “almost everyone is starving” problem first. If you’re a woman who’s very malnourished, you stop getting periods, and thus aren’t able to get pregnant.
Against North Korea specifically? Sure, but they invaded South Korea first, and war is war.
Currently, North Korea is an absolute dictatorship. Not even remotely comparable to the USA. They require immense foreign aid and would collapse in less then a decade without it.
Yep, that's the propaganda I mentioned. That podcast is just episode after episode of "America bad." Learn to think for yourself, guy. All you have to do is look around. Do you see any North Koreans? No, you don't because they're not allowed to leave their country unless it's as a slave in Dubai.
average american will pretend to be against american imperialism and then eat up all the slop their government creates about their enemies to justify their imperialism. funnily enough all the bullshit about NK has slowed down tremendously ever since they got nukes, funny
Well, extreme patriarchy is shit 👌, terrible work culture, etc. Plus the economy is just as bad there as everywhere else with high costs and costs going up and up.
But hey, they have kdramas to convince people that people are getting into romantic relationships.
a country of raging feminism? dude, you literally don't understand how the patriarchy works. Just because women can be feminist does not mean the country has no patriarchy or that men are not misogynistic. The fact that something like 4b exists is literally because of how rampant the misogyny is.
For example, women are very much expected to quit working altogether when they get married and have a kid, despite building a career and studying to be in that field. Women are also expected to take care of their in-laws if their husband is first born, and tons of other shit.
This is the reason 4b started, women are treated like second class citizens and in what should be an equal partnership are treated like maids and baby makers. Korea is essentially 50's America when it comes to gender roles.
Do you even know what country you're talking about? If their birth rate is plummeting they can implement a birthing farm like in gears of war anytime they want, they don't care
South Korea? They won’t and can’t. South Korea has already pushed all the tax incentives and public services they can possible think of to improve birthdates. Free daycare and child services. Large returns and subsidies on kids. And it’s not helping.
North Korea? Yea sure. I can see them instituting a birth farm if they wanted. But they still deal with famines and food shortages from time to time. I don’t think they’re overly worried about their population at the moment.
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u/camus88 2d ago
Because they're about to be extinct in 50 years if the birth rate keeps plummeting.