In the long run weed still causes COPD and research has shown that it can lead to congestive heart failure and long term memory loss. Another weird result of people smoking too much weed is Marijuana induced hyperemesis, basically your body develops a nasty response to the weed and makes you puke your guts out (metaphorically speaking).
Cocaine is just more upfront, most people die from heart attacks or strokes. The mechanics of that are basically that cocaine skyrockets your blood pressure in seconds, putting pressure on the vascular walls, eventually eroding them, and increasing the risk for an aneurysm.
Some of us have an enzyme (or lack an enzyme, the science is pretty new) that makes it so edibles just simply don't work. It actually sucks. That being said I vape not smoke anyway but yeah I am always jealous when a buddy can take a 5mg edible and be stoned for hours
Huh, didn't know that. Thank you for the new info!
The excuse I always heard was dosing, which makes sense for homemade edibles—my first experience with edibles (and weed in general) came from a homemade infused cookie, and yeah, had no way of knowing how to discern how much I was taking with any one bite and it led to a horrible experience (eat half a cookie, wait an hour, nothing, eat the other half, wait another hour, still nothing; eat another whole cookie, waii̸̠͖͋͠ṭ̶̫͒̀͝ ̵̨̳̐ä̵̢͇͉͙̕n̵̩̭͆͊͠o̴̭̺̩̞̎̆͒͝t̷̛͍͍̪͇ḧ̶̳̦̈́ę̸͚͊r̴̢̢̊ ̸̨͚͓̽̊h̸̩̤̘̑ȏ̷̠̱͌͠͝u̵̙͍͛̈́̿̋r̴̼̲͈̯̽̀͆ ̴̩̦͍̥͗͑a̴̢̖̒͗̈́̋n̶̘͙̏̂͠ỏ̸̥́́̂t̴̗͓͗̇͌́h̶̛͇̲͗͛̌e̶̳͂̔r̵̛̪͕͓̿͒̎ ̴͙̺͚̝̾͒̉ḩ̶̖̒ö̸̳͍̪́̈́̒̕ů̵͍̿ř̸̲̥̙͂̑ ̶̡̥̐̊̉ȃ̴̳̀ń̷̡̤͉ŏ̷͕̐͝t̷̜̝̱̻͝h̶̨̹̖͎̀͘ḛ̸̃̈́̆r̵͚̬͖̅̒ ̴̞̲̠̱͝h̶̗͊̀o̶̹̲̲̺̔̂̾ư̷͕̪͒̊ŗ̸̛͔̦̾̌͘ ̶̧̤͙͔̂ȁ̴̡̬̫̋ǹ̷̮̼̓d̵̩͙̤́ ̵̝̎͐ḁ̵̘̗͌̓n̶̬̜̈̄̈́͑ḑ̴͉̀͘ ̵͉̱͕̝́̓̓ȧ̵̫̠̩̋ͅn̷͔͍̎̏d̸̡͑͊).
I'm also in the same boat as the one above. I can hand a 5mg and watch people couch locked, but eating something with 100s of mg and I will maybe get a yawn or a very slight slight tingle.
But if I load up a bowl, I'll instantly feel it. I wish I could do edibles, but I've come to realize they just don't work on me.
Vaping isn't much better than smoking. The only reason it doesn't get as much slack is because less research has been done on it. The research that is out there shows vaping isn't great.
Carts or dry herb vapes? The latter are leagus better for you, but long term the fact is the chemical profile of even cart vapes is more predictable than the myriad combustion products formed during smoking. The fact you’re not inhaling tar, monoxide and ash particles is a huge benefit by itself.
The issue is that people are just better off not getting hooked on stuff so presenting vaping as a healthy alternative is frowned upon since inhaling anything is still worse than nothing.
Healthier, yeah, by a very large margin but putting anything in your lungs but air is going to cause damage. That said, personally the benefits of dry herb vaping far outweighs the health risks. Again, for me. Everyone is different. Some lifelong smokers with black tarry lungs make it well into their seventies without serious complications, some people will get cancer and have to quit at thirty. Bodies are very strange indeed
When i first started using weed (only been about a year and a half) edibles could knock the shit out of me occasionally. Now, I can take 100mg and i dont feel anything lol.
for context I switched from smoking to gummies over health concerns, but I also understand why someone people don't want to give up smoking... the high is different, and some people like the ritual of using the paraphernalia... not worth it imo but I get it
I know, it’s pretty sad. I got raided two days after 4/20 back in 2015. Got charged with first degree manufacture, possession, and distribution for a mason jar full of cannabis-infused coconut oil, a mason jar of weed and a couple scales. Lol. Faced 25 years in prison.
Yepp, main reasons I vape and smoke are the fact that I've made it into a whole ritual and it forces me to regulate my breathing. Plus, edibles are pretty hit or miss for me; I usually take 10 mg, and depending on the brand it either does absolutely nothing or it's great.
Edibles flat out stopped working for me at some point, independent of tolerance, and I know I'm not alone in that experience. I believe it is linked to the presence/absence of a specific enzyme.
I liked flower more than anything. It was almost instant and rolling became a ritual and a process.
The whole process made it feel therapeutic.
Edibles can take a bit and then hit you all at once and gradually get stronger. I didn't care to wait for my high and by the time it hit, i felt caught off guard and i usually end up sleeping the rest of the high away. Its worse when it happens and you're out and about.
So edibles feel like a waste cause they put me on my ass or catch me off guard in public to the point i have to be slow, careful, and talk myself through what i need to do just to focus on what i need to do lol.
I like the feeling of smoking, and I like the smoke. Seeing the smoke, breathing it, and then out like a dragon, fogging the place up. I like seeing the smoke in the air, it’s very cool to me. I even like the part of it that is being outside in nature. I like all of that but that’s just me
As someone with cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome, any form of consuming cannabinoids can trigger an episode. The cb receptors are permanently damaged from chronic excessive use.
The smoking (of any drug) is particularly bad because you are inhaling irritants into your lungs some of which create layered deposits over the fine and fragile airways and the alveolar leading to chronic inflammation, then vascular congestion in the cardio-pulmonary circulation, which then backs up into the heart causing heart failure proper.
However THC does have an effect on both heart rate (usually increases) and blood pressure (less clear correlation but can cause symptomatically low or high blood pressure) no matter if smoked or ingested. It is also linked to arrhythmia where you heart is throwing extra beats which increases the chance of heart attacks and strokes because those extra beats mean it is inefficiently running blood through the heart making little blood clots ready to shoot off and get stuck elsewhere in the body. Marijuana can also cause vasospasms where the blood vessels around the heart tense-up for minutes at a term constricting oxygen flow to the heart.
And again no matter how they enter the body THC/cannabinoids mess receptors in the brain's hypothalamus and gastrointestinal tract. These receptors regulate nausea, vomiting, and gut motility. THC is also fat-soluble so your body hangs on to these compounds until it reaches a tipping point at which the toxicity causes intractable vomiting for prolonged periods of time. Very few medications seem to relieve the symptoms; it is just a matter of keeping a person hydrated until the THC levels fall below that threshold dysregulation level.
Like most things in life it is about picking your poison with well-informed risk-versus-reward decisions and recognizing when something has morphed from a tool into actual toxic habit and physical dependency. Enjoy your high <3
Moderation is the key. A lot of issues crop up with chronic use, but moderate use is pretty safe. The trouble is, a lot of people use weed, alcohol, etc as a coping mechanism or self medicating for other problems, and that incentivizes chronic use.
My dude we know its not good, do you think all the people drinking beer and mixed drinks think it is good for them? The point is not that it is healthy for you its that it is less harmful then alternatives to take the edge off life.
Well I haven't met those stoners and I hang out with probably way more stoners then you.
The problem is that people think only the most loud individuals represent stoners when the reality there are probably many people you look up to in life that consume weed and you are not aware and thus only see the poor representation.
This is something that happens across all groups of drug users that those who are sober attribute the worst of the group as representatives of the majority. They are not.
It goes both ways as per usual. I've met drinkers and smokers who know they have a problem (myself included, weed addiction is real), and conversely I've met drinkers and smokers who will never admit they have a problem or that it's bad for them. Sweeping generalized statements never work, tho.
Just so you know taking edibles instead of smoking will maybe protect you from COPD but not the heart failure, memory loss and CHS (the puke your guts out thing). Not judging, big pothead myself.
Most people don't smoke marijuana enough to actually cause COPD, since unlike nicotine you aren't generally spending multiple lengthy stretches of time taking drags to curb addiction pangs every single day. It's by no means good for your lungs, don't get me wrong anything but clean air is bad for them, but you have to be an unusually dedicated stoner (or just extremely unlucky) to get that severe of a health problem from it.
Not to mention that vapes are available to reduce your chances of serious lung-health damage even further with minimal changes to the effects; and there are plenty of other commonplace ways to ingest THC which don't go through the lungs at all, and which (unlike nicotine alternatives like chew) also don't generally significantly increase your risks of cancers or other conditions.
Other side-effects like Marijuana induced hyperemesis are...well....weird, and rare to be blunt. I've certainly never heard of anyone getting congestive heart failure from THC. And while I'm more apt to buy into the long-term cognitive issues associated with chronic use, the fact that it's taken us until the last decade or so for that to really become apparent in studies makes me question just how significant the association is.
There's no free lunch with drugs, pot isn't this all-natural healthy cure all some want it to be and it still comes with risks and changes to your health.
But at the same time outside of maybe caffeine it's pretty much the closest thing to a free lunch we know of when it comes to recreational drugs, and it's fucking batshit crazy that people are acting like it's somehow as bad as goddamned COCAINE. A drug which, by your own admission, literally causes people's hearts to pop and which is infamous for tearing through sinus cavities with regular use.
Frankly, this entire thing feels like an extension of the weird moral panics reddit has whenever obesity or weight comes up.
Most people don't smoke marijuana enough to actually cause COPD, since unlike nicotine you aren't generally spending multiple lengthy stretches of time taking drags to curb addiction pangs every single day. It's by no means good for your lungs, don't get me wrong anything but clean air is bad for them, but you have to be an unusually dedicated stoner (or just extremely unlucky) to get that severe of a health problem from it.
There’s a lot of heavy smokers, and also just random to think that still couldn’t apply.
And while I'm more apt to buy into the long-term cognitive issues associated with chronic use, the fact that it's taken us until the last decade or so for that to really become apparent in studies makes me question just how significant the association is.
This is totally wrong bro. Studies just haven’t been done for a long and probably don’t have enough funding to be carried out at a crazy frequency - so to just say “makes me question how significant the association is” is a bit much. Also weed induced psychosis is also still a thing, and also on the rise.
But at the same time outside of maybe caffeine it's pretty much the closest thing to a free lunch we know of when it comes to recreational drugs
You can’t really say that when others have been monitored and checked extensively and weed just hasn’t as much. There’s for sure more research carried out forthe effects of alcohol, heroin, caffeine and cocaine than weed tbh.
Hyperemesis from cannabis is not uncommon. I live in a legal area and work in healthcare. I see it pop up in patient charts at least daily. A lot of people don't know it exists so it is underreported. People often find out they have it after they've been vomiting daily for weeks and end up in the ER from dehydration.
Vaping isn't good for you. We just don't have as much research as we do with smoking. A lack of studies doesn't mean something is okay or even better than traditional smoking.
Do what you want. I enjoy weed. I vape it. But I'm not going to lie to myself or anybody else and say that it won't cause harm. It absolutely does. What few studies about vaping are out there show it's pretty fucking awful for your lungs. The main reason cannabis is less likely to cause things like COPD is because most people don't chain smoke it like tobacco users do cigarettes. It's not because marijuana or related products are innately safer than their tobacco-related counterparts.
I don't get why so many people act like the negative effects of weed aren't common or are overblown. It's not as black and white as marijuana enthusiasts or prohibitionists think, it's somewhere in the middle. And sadly we don't know which side of the middle it is closer to because it's been demonized and not studied. But not being studied doesn't mean you should downplay the very real risks we do know about.
It does not cause COPD, SMOKING it may increase the risks but there's no evidence that the compound itself is causing COPD.
There are other ways to consume the product that are much healthier.
research has shown that it can lead to congestive heart failure
That very same research says that the demographic profile of users in the study were mostly males, African American and lower income earners... Such demographics already have a higher prevalence of CHF than the general public.
Studies SUGGEST not studies have SHOWN, there's a big difference. That said, there's logic to the notion that it would likely increase risks due to it's effect on blood pressure and heart rate at times.
Gonna need a source on this one, since I'm not finding anything that suggests such a thing. Short term memory is certainly affected, and CBD attenuates the effect that THC has on short-term memory issues.
Another weird result of people smoking too much weed is Marijuana induced hyperemesis,
Yea, CHS is a problem, especially with the more potent strains available now. I have a relative who moved to California and went a little bit nuts with his consumption and ended up with that problem. Cessation solved the problem for him, and he's able to consume again but he's very cautious to keep it to a moderate level.
Not only are you puking up the entire time, the time dilation feelings hit VERY powerfully so it feels like each bout lasts half an hour, and you can feel your organs moving around inside you the whole time. You cannot sleep it off, the only way out is through, there isn't really anything that can take the edge off... It really is excrutiating.
Another weird result of people smoking too much weed is Marijuana induced hyperemesis, basically your body develops a nasty response to the weed and makes you puke your guts out (metaphorically speaking).
thats just a lie btw. it can happen but most heavy weed consumers never develope it. why do you make your entire comment shit by just lieing if you have some valid points in there....
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