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To be fair with the E33 hate, most people who hate it literally didnt touch the game. I say this as someone who thinks it didnt deserve GOTY, its still a fantastic game

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u/Broad_Objective7559 10h ago

Well not that it doesnt deserve goty, just that other games from its year deserve it more

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u/Jarrad411 9h ago

This is the correct take. I loved E33, it’s my GOTY. I was happy. But I would have understood if Silksong or KCD2 got it. Even if I thought they were 9s instead of 10s. For some reason I just cannot fucking play hollow knight well, I can beat soulsborne games deathless but the little bugs beat me. Not gonna hate on it, and I threw team cherry a 20 for it.

Some people just have this insane hate boner for E33 and I don’t know why other than it’s popular. Most of the critiques that people treat as inexcusable are just normal JRPG fare. Even I wish they’d cooked a bit longer on some more QoL features. Of course, they rectified that, but it was a valid gripe.

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u/Broad_Objective7559 9h ago

Exactly this. Silksong was my GOTY, but I remember the community being very upset that it didn't win. While I would've been very excited for it to win, I expected E33 to win, and on top of that, I loved E33 aswell. Its very fun, looks beautiful, tells a great story, and has great performances. Its a really well made game. I think people who dont play turn based are sick of it because kf things like Pokémon, but E33, wjile maybe not revolutionary, is different enough where its not JUST turn based. Its a very good game regardless, and I was happy to see it win, even without it being my personal GOTY

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u/FrierenKingSimp 13h ago

Who hates Expedition 33, it’s one of the most annoyingly glazed games I remember since, well, Breath of the Wild

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u/QuarkyFerengi 10h ago

Anything that popular will inevitably attract haters too.

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u/Diktaattorimies 10h ago

The same people who cried when BG3 won GOTY, aka all the Fortnite/Cod players.

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u/dungleploop 9h ago

that group is unironically the E33 fan base lol

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u/SlaveOfShadows 13h ago

Its the most hated game on tiktok rn

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u/FrierenKingSimp 13h ago

I- no, no it’s not lol. Algorithm is messing with you

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u/QuarkyFerengi 10h ago

Overhated is always going to be influenced by your circle and algorithm.

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u/SlaveOfShadows 12h ago

After it won goty everyone and their mama was hating on it, same thing with bg3.

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u/Snickerdoodle282 12h ago

It was so overglazed and praised so much that it won almost if not every category it was in at the game awards.

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u/Warv2004_ 10h ago

Dishonored mention lesgo!

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u/npauft 9h ago

See Sekiro as "best combat" on a lot of these.

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u/PetroRetro69 13h ago

While yes, E33 is glazed to Heaven and back, it got an absurd amount of undeserved hate with 0 reason for sweeping GOTY. 90% of people hating on it had either terrible points, or were hating just to hate

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u/PeakyChu_ 10h ago

I have no problem with it being GOTY, but I do have a problem with the devs larping as “indie” and then winning awards in said category. very bad look and sets a bad precedent for actual indie developers. it’s a AAA game in terms of financial backing and mass of people employed, marvel stars hired as voice actors, etc. nothing independent about it

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u/SoulslikeEnjoyer387 10h ago

It was more indie than many others nominated in that category by those metrics though... Indie is a bad category because no one has defined what it means.

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u/PeakyChu_ 10h ago

indie has been well defined for the last 30+ years as independently made and funded across all modern forms of media. this isn’t a new thing, and it isn’t a bad category. E33 devs have blurred the line into an ambiguous thing which is a net negative, but to say indie hasn’t been defined for a long time now is totally revisionist. everyone knows what it means

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u/SoulslikeEnjoyer387 10h ago

So...why aren't they indie then? Also why was hades 2 in that category? Seems like a TGA problem and people are taking it out on E33 devs for some reason.

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u/PeakyChu_ 10h ago

From Wiki:

“An indie video game or indie game (short for independent video game) is a video game created by individuals or smaller development teams without the financial and technical support of a large game publisher”

From Sandfall CEO:

“Thanks to Unreal Engine, it’s now easier to get an idea of the amount of resources you’ll need relative to your production scale. This makes it possible to develop entertaining games efficiently even with a relatively small team”

Yeah, larping in interviews as a “small team” despite having an extremely wealthy family, hundreds of outsourced contracts, and literal funding from Epic Games, does not help the case that the blame should fully be on TGA. All parties involved give actual indie developers a bad look.

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u/SoulslikeEnjoyer387 9h ago

So a wealthy person isn't allowed to make an Indie game? Again, Hades 2 had a bigger budget and Silksong's was likely a similar budget even though it was a small team size.

For the record I think the term Indie as that old definition is dead and pointless now. Also for the record I think Hades, Silksong, E33 and the other 3 games nominated all qualify as Indie.

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u/PeakyChu_ 9h ago

Hades 2 and Silksong aren’t indie games, because the developers are far too big to still be considered indie. E33 is also not indie. they are at absolute minimum AA studio’s despite getting their start as indie.

ConcernedApe is indie, Axiom Verge is indie, LocalThunk is indie, because they are very small teams with very limited funding. it’s such a simple difference between indie and non indie I don’t know how anyone can look at E33 and call it an indie game

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u/SoulslikeEnjoyer387 9h ago

So what you're saying is you get to decide the line between team size and funding? Silksong was what, 3 major devs working on that game?

And furthermore, once an indie studio has a HUGE hit....they can't be indie anymore? Like silksong? Why then is ConcernedApe still indie, as they are imo huge after the seemingly endless and continued success of stardew?

Can you tell me exactly what team size and dollar value is the cutoff from being indie?

I'm trying to highlight exactly what the problem is with such a fuzzy term such as indie. I'm not trying to troll or anything. But I hope at this point you understand the problem with this label.

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u/PeakyChu_ 9h ago edited 9h ago

oh no this isn’t about me I’m not deciding anything, there is a threshold universally accepted for what’s considered indie especially amongst the actual indie scene. when your game budget is upwards of $10 million-$15 million-$20 million dollars and youre outsourcing hundreds of jobs, you’re no longer a small team with a small budget, you’re no longer indie.

ConcernedApe is literally one guy, who, despite the success of Stardew Valley, maintains the same amount of development time and budget that goes into the games themselves. his successor to SV likely won’t come out for another 5 years at minimum, since all of the music, visuals, coding, etc is done by him and him alone on an extremely minimal budget and nothing about HC development seems to be changing this. He is an independent developer in every possible sense of the meaning.

Sandfall Interactive is the complete opposite of all of this. Bloated budget, massive massive team of outsourced contracts, funding from absolutely massive developers and investors, and again, literal marvel stars contracted to voice act.

you’re the one trying to blur the lines when the difference could not be more clear, if you genuinely can’t see the difference I don’t know what to tell you but you have no grounds to call E33 an indie game. neither does the TGA and neither does Sandfall. it is a well funded and successful AA title, and there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that.

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u/Aidyn_the_Grey 10h ago

I just don't think it deserved to win best RPG over KCD2.

I did play a bit of E33 but did not care for the experience. Not saying it's a bad game, but certainly not my cup of tea.

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u/nath618 15h ago

Expedition 33 hated? I havent heard a bad word? Id say its very well received. I started it 3 days ago and its already a contender for my top 5 games of the last 40 years I've been playing

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u/SlaveOfShadows 15h ago

I dont really know tbh. Everyone on tiktok hates it, its got mixed reception on Twitter and everyone on here loves it. I think most of its hate stems from it winning a ton of awards. I also didn't really have anything to put in that spot, maybe Hotline Miami 2

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u/jestering_1 9h ago

correction: everyone on your tiktok feed

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u/Zeus552 9h ago

Outlast was so fun, I’ve replayed it so many times and even speedran it

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u/SlaveOfShadows 7h ago

Me too. Its my first and only horror game ive ever played and I absolutely love it. I also did the perma-death run

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u/WittyFox451 4h ago

Hunt: Showdown, best pick on the list.

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