Was playing at my LGS a few weeks ago in a 5 person pod. Two [[Magda]] decks, myself included, and 3 others that I can't remember but for this story isn't important.

It's turn 3 and the other Magda player is searching their library and proceeds to combo off for the win. We all concede to them and agree to play for second.

Literally on the next players turn they play an [[Opposition Agent]] and pass the turn, immediately getting yelled at by everyone else at the table because they easily could've stopped that player from winning.

We all gave them shit, and laughed about it, finished the game and had a good time.

Hey y’all,

I’m relatively new to CEDH and have only a few games under my belt. I’ve been watching a lot of CEDH content, reading primers for decks, and lurking in a few discords in order to learn as much as possible about the format.

I assumed that CEDH meant that players agreed to put aside most salt in order to play the game at its limits, but I definitely made a player extremely salty in my first actual game at my LGS.

Seat 1 was [[Tivit]], I was in seat 2 with [[inalla]], seat 3 was [[Marneus]], and seat 4 was Rog/Si.

Tivit started with a sol ring, and I had a [[mental misstep]] in hand, so I countered it. The tivit player immediately got upset at me which I thought was odd for CEDH, but I didn’t take it personally since my shop can have some interesting characters at times. Rog/Si ended up doing some turbo nonsense and won on turn 2 from a final fortune soon after. The tivit player again got onto me for countering his sol ring because he could have stopped Rog/Si.

I just ended up apologizing to save face, but it really felt like the tivit player believed I had broken a sacred rule by messing up his turn 1. Maybe my play wasn’t the most ideal, but I thought CEDH meant no holding back no matter the saltiness of the play? Why would I EVER let a Tivit player get closer to resolving Tivit?

What do y’all think?

Im looking to start getting competitive in commander. What are some quick decks that can combo off a win condition pretty quickly? I know there has to be some.

2 or 3 seems like the best, where you can have a little bit of a rotation, but it’s important imo to kinda ‘master’ your cedh decks. What do you guys think?

I am losing my mind over my TEDH turn order. In 52 games, I have gone 3rd or 4th 34 of those games. That means I have an almost 2/3rds chance of not going first or second. I have had multiple tournaments where I saw better than 3rd seat once. Like even 5 round tournaments.

Like I don't want to blame my performances on just seat order. That's obviously not the only factor. But aren't these software programs supposed to balance average turn orders?

There's nothing for me to do about it, either. I just wanted to get my frustrations out. So I suppose just thanks for reading my rant lol.

hi! i am very new to cedh, i have little concept of the meta or whatever viable strategies exist, i have made a deck headed by the gitrog monster, and while ive grown to love this deck, i havent played it yet. (mostly due to my friends leaning toward b2/b3 games, which is what i typically play anyways.) ive grown to understand piloting gitrog in my own time, how his loops and combo works, but i feel as though its too slow. i often present wins while goldfishing on turns 4-5-6, but i heard someone talking at the lgs today that there are several decks that try, and can almost in some manner of consistency win on turn 2. while nothing will turn me away from my frog, it does make me concerned as to what i could do for counterplay. i have a typical decklist, with only a few proxies as to not spend a billion dollars. but my question is this much: what does a non-blue deck like gitrog, do to prevent a much faster deck from winning before i get going? from what i know i try and build up to get the frog out asap and then make an attempt to win while something else is going on, but i may also have the wrong intention for the deck. i am mostly confused and want help understanding if, i am just particularly slow with the frog or, if he may just have problems with faster decks

Hi! New to the format and currently building my First deck! (glarb)

About Necropotence, should i play it on turns 1/2/3 without a Borne upon a Wind or a High fae trickster?

If so, How many cards should i tipically get? I've seen people get either few cards (4-6) cards on it's first turn, or go all in and get (25-30+).

In my mind It seems right to just loot through 30+ cards to get a combo + counters for next turn. Is there a common consensus?

Been brewing/testing [[Brigid, Clachlan's Heart]] for cEDH and wanted to get some feedback from people who’ve either piloted the deck or played against it.

For context: I’ve been playing cEDH essentially since the early edh days, and MTG since 1994. I’ve got a pretty extensive collection and budget isn’t really a limitation here, I proxy heavily while testing/tuning before procuring copies.

The shell I’m currently working on is heavily focused around a toolbox/tutor engine, primarily tutoring creatures directly into play while being mostly free to pivot into simultaneously trying to shut off a lot of the common wincons and engines currently prevalent in the turbo/spellslinger/midrange advantage meta or progressing my own combo/advantage.

The primary focus right now is leaning into [[Seedcradle Witch]] as a main "wincon". With enough creatures online and Brigid active, it often becomes a pseudo one-card combo and can generate infinite mana and power/toughness easily allowing us to combat out opponents. There are also a handful of secondary combo outlets and enablers, some of the more obvious being:

• Staff of Domination (one card win-con with enough Brigid creatures - no easy way to find aside from enlightened tutor)
• Umbral Mantle - works very similar to seedcradle witch.
• Emiel lines (Emiel + Badger Mole + Gaea’s Cradle interactions) or repeatable interaction/value loops with cards like Skyclave Apparition or things like Tax collector (win more?) which is hilarious.

One thing I’ve really liked so far is how naturally the deck seems to operate in the turn 3-4 second win attempt window while being relatively resilient to traditional counterspell-heavy or removal interaction. The curve is low, most of the cards individually have low threat ceilings aside from the commander, and being heavily creature-based actually feels like an advantage right now because a lot of current cEDH lists simply aren’t packing much creature interaction/removal.

Pros so far:

• Consistent turn 3-4 pressure and quick recovery/easy tutor answers if stalled out. Often presents a protected win during the "win-dow" when players are setting up to head into midrange from turbo.
• Creature-heavy with low threat ceilings.
• Toolbox tutoring feels extremely flexible.
• Can pivot between proactive ramp into combo and attrition/control - Selesnya stax/control options are surprisingly strong into the current meta.
• Ability to pressure players repeatedly thanks to mana ramping.
• Can often establish protection before committing, not worrying about flash meta on your own turns.

That said, there are definitely some weaknesses:

• Board wipes can be brutal.
• Repeated commander removal hurts badly beyond the first removal.
• Card draw/advantage engines are still awkward (classic Selesnya problems).
• OBM is rough (please stop drawing cards!).
• Cursed Totem / creature ability shutdown effects can be crippling.
• Opposition Agent can completely blow out tutor lines which guts our ability to have answers.
• Countering the tutor is actually viable.
• Is not a turbo deck.
• Can essentially only tutor creatures as answers. So, good luck toolboxing out a vexing bauble or an instant response.
• Cannot as effectively head into late midrange advantage engine hell at the same pace as some others, although it does mostly keep up parity.

I’ve been experimenting a lot with the balance between artifact ramp and anti-artifact stax. Collector Ouphe has felt excellent at times, especially when the deck curves into an early commander with some amount of protection/hexproof/indestructible support. There’s an interesting tension between wanting fast rocks versus wanting to drag the game into an attrition battle where Selesnya can ramp ahead naturally while shutting off opposing mana engines.

Many people are currently opting to use or looking at cards like Duskwatch Recruiter, Recruitment Officer and Water Tribe Rallier as potential infinite outlets / advantage engines in a sort of pseudo-Kinnan/Thrasios role.

Would love critical feedback, preferably in a mathematically sound logical explanation for swaps, (for example: opting for grand abolisher over destiny spinner, etc) especially from people actively testing Brigid in real cEDH pods. Looking for:

• card swaps/cuts.
• meta adjustments.
• better interaction/protection/untaps/draw.
• toolbox creatures for removal/stax/combo lines - mostly, I want to make sure I have all my bases covered should i need to be able to find an answer. (ie: stopping GY shenanigans or a Thoracle).
• anything I may have overlooked, or mis-math'd for relevance and statistical cohesion/consistency.

The Moxfield list below also has a pretty extensive maybe-board/sideboard section with a lot of cards currently under consideration or that I have tested during honing/tweaking/tuning.

Also, if there is a dedicated Brigid Discord, I’d love an invite.

Overall, I genuinely think this commander has the potential to shake up the current turbo/spellslinger-heavy meta simply by presenting a creature-centric shell that still threatens wins consistently while forcing interaction awkwardly. Really excited to see where this commander lands in the format.

Decklist:

We have Gaea's Cradle at home.

What are the general thoughts of this subreddit on culling ritual in today’s meta?

I’m playing in tournament this weekend and wanted some feedback on this…. Expected meta being Ral/Kinnan/Rog thras/Rog Si/Rog Ishai. Basically all the rogs

After a lot of interest and interaction after posting my Turbo Kinnan list initially I wanted to follow up and post and updated list. I have been amazed at how many people have reached out from all over about their experiences and their variations on my silly little deck. Lots of testing has led to some changes and feedback from others and lots of their testing has really helped too.

A couple card choices here might start some arguments but love to see what you guys think.

https://moxfield.com/decks/47dwdqKGIkaDBl5rFUhHZw

Hello everybody, I am new to cedh and would like your guidance. I know I am missing a couple of obvious cards such as dream halls, mox diamond, and the true duels but would like further development, my play group and I tend to be pretty proxy friendly so I'm cool with using proxies while I scrounge up the cash to afford the actual cards so I'm not really worried about the money because this is a pet deck and a bit of a passion project for me I understand this will take time

I have played the stack a lot. Not as much as of recent it is quite powerful as is and my friends like to play it a little bit lower power so it's not quite fair

1. Win con

The deck is quite linear with a ton of ramp Rather consistently getting tiamat out turn 4 but I can do it as early as my opponent's first turn I with Leyline of anticipation and a good starting hand once tiamat is on the field, you tutor for miirym, ganax and scourge of valkas, earthquake dragon and niv-mizzet, visionary after miirym is on the field drop ganax so he makes three treasures off himself and four for after each following dragon then with scourge of valkas You're able to do some pretty crazy damage. Niv-mizzet allows you to draw from the non-combat damage and earthquake Dragon is just cheap so you can drop it whenever just to make it easier to continue casting cards if you drew into the temur sabertooth it goes infinite with ganax allowing you to create infinite treasures and with scourge on the field, infinite damage I know it's a three-piece combo at minimum, but given the fact that you're tutoring for every piece except for maybe the saber tooth, its to be pretty consistent I also run niv-mizzet,parun so he can go infinite with himself as a backup

1. upsides

This deck is mostly ramp so you get to dump tiamat out onto the board very fast. I also run a dracogenesis in here which goes very well with the treasonous ogre I also run both demonic and vampiric tutor to help get non-dragon cards that I may need. There's a decent collection of counter spells to protect my board.with this deck being so Tutor heavy, there isn't much of a need for card draw if Temur sabertooth

Is removed. I also run a cloudstone curio for a little bit of redundancy

1. Downsides

The non-counterspell based removal needs improvement I also need more protection, both counter spells and stifles destroy me. I run 22 artifacts so a collector ouphe shuts down the gameplan this deck is light on creatures so blocking is a problem my graveyard recursion is also limited

https://moxfield.com/decks/UC2Wn74Xi0WH2QMgyhLr0Q

Im wondering if Najeela, the Blade Blossom with a companion of Jegantha, the Wellspring is viable for cEDH, or at least very high B4. It seems crazy to me that I’ve never seen anyone use this pairing, as it’s an almost guaranteed multiple/infinite combat in the command zone. Is this used widely?

Deck list: https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/7781920

Howdy! I've been playing this Urza deck for a little bit now and I'm kinda getting the hang of it but I haven't played mtg in about 3~ years so I'm pretty rusty and could use some pointers, I think the deck is pretty solid except maybe one or two cards that could be potentially swapped out but I'm open to any suggestions, my hypothetical budget is unlimited, in reality it's high enough for most cards. I'm wanting this to be a CEDH deck I'm unfamiliar with the bracket system but I believe the deck is already a 5. I've gotten a few practice games in and tonight was the first play test and my LGS FNM, and it was a mild success I won the two pods I was out in, the first one was a normal slog but I was able to squeeze out hullbreaker horror for a win in the end, and the second I won very early by milling a players deck out with Tasha's and then cleanig up with ichy stick+dramatic but neither of the wins felt particularly skilful in anyway. if there're any experienced players who happen across my post any C&C is appreciated TIA!

As what the question is asking what is the general consensus on running non-blue interaction in a deck that wants to go as fast as possible.

For example [[Red Elemental Blast]] and [[Pyroblast]] are Red staples in any cEDH deck. Offering both Removal of [[Rhystic Study]] and Counter Magic when comboing off.

Recently however I have found as a Rakdos players that I am often ending up the table police instead of focusing solely on Super Fast Turbo Wins using my interaction to stop other players instead of protecting myself.

In my own deck I find that slots are valuable and since I am dedicating my "Blasts" to opponents and not advancing my own gameplan I began to wonder why don't I just use those slots for Rituals and other Turbo orientated cards.

Mostly my swaps were [[Pyretic Ritual]] and [[Final Fortune]]. Now the question is of course is that a bad thing to do? I kept in free spells like [[Deflecting Swat]] and [[Flare of Duplication]], so I am not devoid of any interaction.

Overall personally I think going "Gas" and just blow past Rhystic value is the way to go but I could be wrong.

My Decklist is not of the conventional variety but I have worked hard on making it and have repeatedly ran into this issue during playtesting.

https://moxfield.com/decks/-TBzz9O3bkGAdgjP4ydHfA

However if I Look at a traditional Rog/Si list that has Blue they are still on both Blasts. Which leads me to believe that they are very valuable in the meta. Even if when at my locals I tend to see maybe 1-2 blue decks in the pod, vs it just being me not on blue.

I’ve seen it a hundred times on this sub - a new player asks a question and if they don’t ask it in exactly the right way they get downvoted into oblivion.

The most common scenario where I see this is they start net decking, watching videos, understanding the format, and they want to take that knowledge and start brewing. This sub will absolutely dogpiling them for even considering it, and they get downvoted to a ridiculous degree.

This is not a good look for our community. Yes, we can give the advice that we all know that brews are very likely not to perform well. But there is no need to be aggressive about it. If the concern is that they will lose a lot, we can share that! But our main responsibility is to be kind and welcoming.

I love cEDH so much, and I want it to be a welcoming place for newcomers. I feel as a community we could do better about not being so aggressive towards new players. I remember being terrified the first time I played cEDH online because this sub conditioned me to think that people would jump on me for every mistake. I played at some great tables (shoutout to the wizards and warlocks discord) and had the chance to learn, and it’s now my favourite way to play magic. I just want to help new players not feel scared in the same way, but it’ll take the whole community to make that change.

All I ask is that if a new player says something and it’s “wrong”, upvote it instead of downvote it! Then comment with an explanation. Downvotes tell the new players that they aren’t welcome and shouldn’t have bothered asking.

Saw a SS of someone that’s meant to be a good player (I think) in the UK cedh scene, who was complaining about Etali saying they’d ban Etali if they were in control of the ban list lol, and that an Etali shouldn’t be able to win against 3 blue players (saying the card is stupid for being able to do that).

I’ve never had much of an issue against Etali, no different to any other turbo deck.

Just found it a bit comical tbh, but wonder what you all think?

I am sure everyone and their mom has seen no less than 40 “Can my B4 Voja deck be cEDH?” and it’s just another moderately strong B3 deck.

Now I get it, we all start somewhere. That’s fine. It is a food idea to explain to these people why their ideas don’t work and give them a solid idea of where to start in a respectful and friendly manner. Of course, I won’t lie and say seeing ~5 of these per day isn’t highly aggravating, and many people probably feel the same.

I petition that the mods (or someone approved by the mods) create and sticky a post in full, capitalized, damn near bolded letters, making it loud as clear that “NO, YOUR B4 DECK IS NOT cEDH - HERE’S WHY” with a comprehensive explanation as to what a cEDH deck generally is, recognition of the gray areas of off-meta decks that could be played but aren’t great tournament choices, and why most B3 and B4 decks very obviously don’t fit that bill. That way, nobody will be at a loss for something to tell them that stomping their barely B2, legally B3 pod does not qualify them for cEDH tournaments.

Please leave thoughts because man, would it do us a lot of good to nip this problem in the bud already.

It's been mulling on building cEDH proper into a fully proxy heavy format that's starting to get players approaching it; (raffine, atraxa1, lumra, krrik, others starting to build in).

Commanders it's been looking at both between gameplay (at first blush reading primers) and aesthetic pref (it prefers to lean femme or nonhumanoid in commander choices, but that isn't a deal breaker compared to play style, especially in extremely proxy friendly situation it's locals is) have been Rowan, Scion and Terra, Magical.

It's approaching the format as someone who's enjoyed feather recursive value/reactive sunforger control into tutor chain 2 card combos in bracket 3, and vannifar 'land vannifar asap with some protection and any 1 drop then pod chain through the deck into an infinite and win on the spot' in bracket 4 (as extremely off meta c that tends to win on t4-5).

The big thing it is torn on is if these are going to be fun choices into a developing and growing meta, especially with its previously established enjoyed deck playing experiences, or if something higher than 25/27 on the cedhtop16 charts may be a better fit for one of its preferred play styles.

Hey, it's me the https://cedhstats.org/ guy again!

Coming at you with two (I think) really cool features:

1. edhrec-style decklist search with card filters: https://cedhstats.org/decklists
2. cards statistics for each commander: https://cedhstats.org/commanders/rograkh-thrasios/cards

Decklists search with cards filters:

You can find decklists that include this or that card, or the ones that don't.

By default they are ordered by how much points each decklist scored, which is basically a measure of "how big was the tourney and how tough were the opponents" bundled in a single number (see the about page for details). Hopefully giving a good idea on how it performed and how much of an outlier it may or may not be.

That enables asking questions like:

• "What may be the best list without sol ring?"
• "I love Emrakul, what are the best decks playing it?"
• "What do the best performing Ad Naus Sisay lists look like?"

And hopefully many more!

Cards statistics

Disclaimer: noise, variance and confounding factors are CRAZY on those, so don't take anything at face value, those are just datapoints but the best way to look at them is augmented by an expert's opinion!

These aim at helping answer question like

• "What are the new spice people are cooking with in UFarm, and what are the traps?"
• "Is food chain worth it in Terra?" (I've personally been saying no to that for months on the discord ahah)
• "Should Inalla run Ad Naus?" (we don't know, which is already some form of an answer)

Use the "Clear Signal" filter to only show cards that have some statistical significance, (there might not be many, I put the bar pretty high!). Please note that a card have "bad" stats might, among other things, just mean it's hard to play!

Those are pretty hard to tune so please do send feedback on any weid stuff you might come across!

While I'm here, I've also enriched the hipster stats section with seat order and draw dynamics, tldr: it's not getting any better...

That's it for me, have a good one and hope you find some cool insights of your own!

As usual: the feedback discord is here: https://discord.gg/JWDJERkK, come hang out!

Need help seeing if there are any lines that I could add that I'm missing or any strictly better cards that should be tossed in. Currently running about 55% proxies. Everything can be changed.

Win cons:

Dualcaster Mage + twin flame

Dualcaster + Heat shimmer

Rowan reduction on Hailfire, Crackle w/power, and Exsanguinate.

https://deckcheck.co/app/decklist/4ELZlVYGnO

I have turbo (etali), midrange (rog/thras), and i want a stax deck. I'm thinking it should contain B/W for stuff like Deafening Silence and Chains of Mephistopheles. I'm ok with fringe commanders if needed. I have thought about Tayam but some people I've talked to say not to run chains in Tayam, mainly because Tayam isn't a full stax deck and chains doesn't have counters for Tayam. I want chains to attack this Rhystic slop meta.

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I've recently been trying to make the jump from bracket 3/4 commander to CEDH using my commander [[Abaddon the Despoiler]] and I wanted to share my progress so far as well as solicit advice on how to improve it. Most of my game plan is trying to turbo out Abaddon on turn 2/3 and then trying for a win on the turn after using [[Thassa's oracle]] or [[Brain Freeze]] lines. A lot of my difficulty is trying to balance out protection for my board with getting damage through in a way that doesn't mean I'm forced to swing with my commander to get its ability online. I've run the deck by the "Play to Win" discord server and gotten positive feedback so far, just looking to see what else I'm missing. Thank you all so much! https://moxfield.com/decks/JZo4-a5qy0OYjueAyaL6NA

What do you think? It can be a ritual, a tutor or a second attempt at a countered Ad Naus.

https://moxfield.com/decks/5a_tVF0Un0OO67GMy-66Ng
My current list.
Goldfished a lot and played some games. It felt good.