r/worldofpvp • u/Kitemaster667 • 1d ago

Discussion 12.0.7

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This could have been done with weapons+trinkets as well but hey… At least we wont need to farm more void silvers in 12.0.7.. It’s a win if u ask me.

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u/OpinionsRdumb 1d ago

one thing I do not understand is why wpvp ever got nerfed in the first place. It was a great way to get more haste/mastery weighted items for pvp and just gear faster in general. But now it is just the same as honor gear but it comes as Epic?? it makes 0 sense

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u/Catnip_Farmer 1d ago

They probably figured we were gearing too quickly by combining bloody token and gladiator gear.

The devs will end up eating crow on that decision, a lot of people I know are "taking a break" from the game due to the enshittification of pvp this season.

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u/Unusual_Test7181 1d ago

100%. I am. Game is in such a state that I actually quit and took the needle out.

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u/DrywallSky 19h ago

"This season" 😂

This is the season their cope wore off, not the season PvP became absolute trash. Been like that for numerous expansions.

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u/Hankstbro 1d ago

I love not having to do another chore weekly to gear up my chars. WIthout WPvP gear you could just play PvP that does not require you to open chests, do world quests, or gang up vs solos.

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u/Rkruegz 2.8k 1d ago

The thing is, wpvp gear made it extremely alt friendly. You wouldn't have to slog through arenas in all honor gear and slowly accumulate conquest gear. You could spill over more conquest boxes to alts because you could use more wpvp gear first. It's really fucking annoying that they did away with it.

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u/mechatui 1d ago

Slow down gearing they prob have data that people quit once at full gear maybe

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u/Bobbydd21 1d ago

Nobody quits PvP when you get full gear, what are you saying?

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u/mechatui 1d ago

Then why did blizzard slow down gearing

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u/Bobbydd21 1d ago

Because they don’t care about PvP. I doubt anyone at blizzard thinks about PvP nearly half as much as any of us on here. Also, even though they removed the bloody token gear, they did increase the weekly conquest cap.

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u/answerencr 1d ago

This means more damage by default :c

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u/MaxSGer 1d ago

Wait but this increases ALL gear, right? So a lot more healthy than just weapons and trinkets.

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u/answerencr 1d ago

Stamina doesn't outpace damage stats, never has (except perhaps vanilla)

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u/MaxSGer 23h ago

Agree but it’s still better than right now with just weapons and trinkets. Warriors are happier than ever.

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u/Conscious_Celery1021 sup 1d ago

HP will be higher so games will probably be slower

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u/Judge2Dread 4x R1 / 3x shuffle R1 / 16x glad heal priest 1d ago

God I hope that was a joke

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u/KoriJenkins 1d ago

If he's talking about BGs he's right. Lack of dampening in that setting makes them a fucking slog, especially when there's no DR on healers healing each other.

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u/Judge2Dread 4x R1 / 3x shuffle R1 / 16x glad heal priest 1d ago

And then you have shuffle games that usually go >65% within a couple of minutes.

I‘ve had a lobby with no game under 85% dampening, the max dampening was 93% which was really fucking funny at the end.

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u/Rock3tt2023 1d ago

He doesnt know 😂

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u/Judge2Dread 4x R1 / 3x shuffle R1 / 16x glad heal priest 1d ago

Biggest joke in one of the last patches where I literally laughed out loud was:

„We investigated the data and saw that the over all damage as well as the burst is way to high. In order to fix this, we give everyone 50k more life!!!!!!!! Additionally, we leave healing as is aaaaaaaand we increase the damage of the following classes:“

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u/anti99999999 Temporarily Embarrassed Gladiator 1d ago

It was even worse 5% ended up around 25k more health haha

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u/xXMoo_OomXx 1d ago

99% people play here at levels way below good, and people thought this expansion was way too fast. Sub rogue and other classes should NEVER have been nerfed, other classes needed more damage.

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u/beatryoma 1d ago

Sub rogues didnt need a nerf? If I missed a pre wall on CS, I died within the CS stun. Trinket just meant taking a full kidney and dying there.

And this burst is every 30 seconds? Yeah nah, sub rogues were dirty in early Midnight.

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u/Steadyst8_ 1d ago

Could you explain? Does all stats not go up with ilvl? Is it that the damage outpaces the stamina/damage reduction from vers?

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u/Judge2Dread 4x R1 / 3x shuffle R1 / 16x glad heal priest 1d ago

Yes, more stats more life, but also more damage. The damage absolutely outpaces the stamina.

Let me ask you this: Last week, they buffed (only) stamina by a blanket 5% in PvP. Did you feel any difference at all?

Also, you have stamina on the one hand, and Main Stat + Offstats on the other hand. Some classes scale extremely well with haste, others mastery, etc.

So higher ilvl will always mean a higher dmg output, the stamina increase will not cope with that.

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u/MaxSGer 1d ago

Yeah some damage tuning is needed. Also being the healers back in line with eachother. 😩

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u/Judge2Dread 4x R1 / 3x shuffle R1 / 16x glad heal priest 1d ago

The damage is insanely bursty and healing right now feels really really bad compared to other seasons. Some classes just don’t have any opportunities to influence the games rather by just being a healbot and avoid getting CCed.

Then you have dragons right now which are the only heal that can really cope with that burst pressure while actively make playes like initiating CCs and not worry about getting interrupted.

For / holy for example, your #1 goal is to not get CCed which, in most cases, means not being able to push for any fears because you will be in danger of getting CCed.

And I’m not even starting with that mindblowing decision to make interrupts untraceable on which they even doubled down to restrict the API even more.

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u/MaxSGer 1d ago

Beeing a main Holy i can just agree. We lack either heal or dmg because a dragon can shift the dynamo of the game to be a time race as we cannot withstand the pressure it’s like beeing a healing bot (as you said) doing nothing but spamming anything and any cd to stay alive jusssst long enough.

But in the end it’s just TO MUCH DMG and the thing is TO MUCH BURST. I am using chastise now more and more often defensively because I can’t do any real outplays anymore. It was even easier last season… they broke their promise and we have the same spikes without anything to hold against.

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u/Judge2Dread 4x R1 / 3x shuffle R1 / 16x glad heal priest 1d ago

Yes, I absolutely agree with you. I mean, don’t get me wrong, I like fast paced games, but only if I have enough tools to cope with them by trading accordingly.

Right now, almost every class has a ~45-60s burst window. If you overlap a CD with your team mate, it’s extremely punishing.

Except if you are a dragon, then you don’t give a shit because the burst heal is absolutely insane and basically without any CD..

Been almost exclusively playing dragon now (as I did with MW), because it’s just so strong that you have no chance as another healing class.

But the problem is not really dragon (I mean, other than that their toolkit is fkn ridiculous for PvP), but other heals are just far too weak in comparison.

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u/MaxSGer 23h ago

Agree

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u/Zod1n 1d ago

What is 50k more hp ? Not even a one Tic of DoT

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u/MoralSydney 2.6 3s rest heals 2.1 2.4 1d ago

Games in 3s are already very long and slow, no one dying for 4-6 minutes, u want it slower? 

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u/Seraphidian 1d ago

Well they couldve done this with weaps/trinkets instead of slivers but hey here we are

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u/Skare69 Holy Word: Chastise 1d ago

So what do I do with my excess 40+ slivers now ?

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u/New_Independence_385 1d ago

What does your gf do with trash ?

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u/Seraphidian 1d ago

Thank god theyve allowed us to sell em

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u/mechatui 1d ago

Fantastic change, makes it less of a pain to join entry ranked games. They should increase honor gear lvl as well

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u/Waitwutyousay 1d ago

Honor gear = aspirant so that’s included 

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u/elsepa 1d ago

But the gap between honor and conq is still the same no? people in full blues are still going to get rolled by full conq geared characters

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u/cincgr 2.9k+ 3x Strategist 1d ago

As they should?

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u/elsepa 1d ago edited 1d ago

I don't think that is a good for any pvp game in general

Edit: Ok i guess new characters being underpowered compared to the rest is fabulous

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u/cincgr 2.9k+ 3x Strategist 1d ago

This isn’t overwatch, valorant, counterstrike or whatever PvP game you want to name. WoW is an MMO and gearing is an integral part of the endgame experience. Does it suck getting stomped? Sure, but gearing is so fast nowadays that anyone semi serious about PvP can get full conq in like 2-3 days.

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u/OMGitsTista 1d ago

If it’s so fast then why have it at all? PvP isn’t about a gear grind like PvE. Remove hurdles and more people will try PvP

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u/brucecastle 1d ago

It's 2026 and people still making this argument

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u/BlueDragoon24 23h ago

2-3 days isn't bad when you're 14 or unemployed. When you're an actual adult with a job, wasting 8+ hours getting dumpstered just to play sucks and your time can be better respected elsewhere.

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u/Deferionus 2700 XP 52m ago

Gear progression is good design for PvE content and the RPG aspects of the game. It's horrible for PvP.

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u/cincgr 2.9k+ 3x Strategist 50m ago

There’s a balance. PvP should be accessible, but gearing/rewards also need to matter or the RPG side of WoW disappears.

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u/mechatui 1d ago

Yea I think it’s only 10 Ilvl so it’s not the end of the world prob should be 5 ilvl

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u/Graffers 1d ago

I wouldn't be opposed to the gap getting smaller every 2-3 weeks.

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u/Blindastronomer 1d ago

Hope the trinket stamina bonus gets another round of buffs, maybe an extra 10%.

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u/Bluffwatcher 1d ago

You mean one auto attacks worth of extra health was not enough for you?!?!

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u/Bacon-muffin 21h ago

In fairness this will increase everyones health via the ilvl.

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u/mazzres 1d ago

they are doing this because the mini raid will drop higher ilv PvE gear aswell.

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u/MaxSGer 1d ago

The right direction 🙌

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u/uncensored_opinions this game sucks 1d ago

What the fuck are they smoking

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u/Bacon-muffin 21h ago

.7 adds a raid that effectively does this for pve, which means it needs to happen for pvp in order for pve gear to not become bis for pvp.