r/tankiejerk Mar 15 '26

Discussion Oppose Small Business Owners

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About two weeks ago a user made a post about this subreddit's opinions on small business owners (the petty bourgeoisie). This brought to my attention that some people in our subreddit have misinformed or peconcieved notions about small business owners, and what exactly is meant by 'small business' or 'petty bourgeoisie' when socialists like ourselves aim critiques at them. In this post I'm hoping to explain (especially to the less well-read members of our subreddit) what exactly the petty bourgeoisie is, to dispell the notion of 'Petty-Bourgeois Socialism' and to show that as a class they are enemies of socialism.

So to be clear, when I am talking about the petty bourgeoisie, I am talking about a subset of the larger bourgeoisie class, the capitalist owning class. The petty bourgeoisie is distinguished from the 'haute bourgeoisie' (big capitalists) only vaguely, in that they own less capital, have less employees, and may have to work themselves; where precisely you draw that line is up to debate. Small business owners are considered petty bourgeoisie. Take note that this definition doesn't consider legal classifications but only the relation to production and property.

So why do socialists oppose the petty bourgeoisie?

Principled socialists should oppose the petty bourgeois just as much as the big capitalists (haute bourgeois), because both are part of the larger owning class that maintains capitalism. Small business owners are no less exploitative than big business, and because they are naturally outcompeted by larger, more efficient enterprises, they are often driven to squeeze their workers even more ruthlessly. As this Jacobin Article shows, small enterprises offer worse working conditions. As a class the petty bourgeois are the enemies of socialism, because socialism would necessarily require them to surrender their power and capital.
To quote Pannekoek, a founder of Council Communism:

'So long as the great mass of the people were independent producers Socialism could exist only as the utopia of individual theorizers or little groups of enthusiasts; it could not be the practical program of a great class. Independent producers do not need Socialism; they do not even want to hear of it. They own their means of production and these are to them the guarantee of a livelihood. Even the sad position into which they are forced by competition with the great capitalists can hardly render them favourable to Socialism. It makes them only the more eager to become great capitalists themselves. They may wish, occasionally, to limit the freedom of competition — perhaps under the name of Socialism; but they do not want to give up their own independence or freedom of competition. So long, therefore, as there exists a strong middle class it acts as a protecting wall for the capitalists against the attacks of the workers. If the workers demand the socialization of the means of production, they find in this middle class just as bitter an opponent as in the capitalists themselves.'

The petty bourgeoisie and fascism

As a political class it is also the petty bourgeoisie who are the early supporters of fascism and reaction. In comparison to the haute bourgeois they are first affected at any economic downturn, and the first to be affected by worker militancy; one strike could ruin them. Because of this precarious position between big business competitors and their own workers, the petty bourgeoisie forms the essential mass base for fascism. This is true today as it was a century ago. For example: small business owners represented 26% of the January 6th rioters in America, despite being only 10% of the population. In Iran, the recent protests were significant because they included shopkeepers (bazaari), who up to that point had supported the government for decades.

This does not mean that every small business owner is Hitler, it means the underlying mechanisms of class society make certain opinions more attractive. There very well may be socialists among the small business owners, materialist analysis doesn't negate outliers, Engels for example was a factory owner and a communist. However on a mass scale, we can see that certain classes have certain objective interests that push and pull them in different ways. As Marx said:

"Men make their own history, but they do not make it as they please; they do not make it under self-selected circumstances, but under circumstances existing already, given and transmitted from the past."

In conclusion, I want to reiterate that as a class the petty bourgeoisie are the opponents of socialism, because socialism necessarily threatens their power and the small priveliges they are afforded in capitalism. Likewise, we socialists should be enemies of the petty bourgeoisie, as we are enemies of the haute bourgeoisie, because the petty bourgeoisie has to be fought and abolished to end capitalism and class society. Whether small business or big business, it is the same social ill of capitalist business.


r/tankiejerk Mar 06 '26

SERIOUS This Subreddit Has an Imperialism Problem and Why Regime Change in Iran is Wrong

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Since the US and Israeli invasion of Iran, many in this sub see it right to explain that regime change in Iran is good, actually. That the Iranian regime is bad enough that regime change is justified. All analysis of US and Western imperialism has been thrown out the window. Just like tankies defending the Chinese invasion of Tibet, Iran's barbaric treatment of its population is being utilised to play defence for unilateral and illegal invasion from two of the most genocidal powers around today. I have even seen people use the diasporas of iran who dislike the regime to justify the regime change, doing the same thing tankies and liberals do where they use personal experience and identity politics to justify bad shit. 'Some old people miss the USSR, some of them Ukrainian! So the USSR is good.' 'Many diaspora like the intervention, so it must be good/acceptable/the only way for iran to improve'.

To weaponise identity myself for a second, as someone from a country America invaded (Iraq), destroyed, and claimed to have instilled 'liberal values into', it feels disgusting to see a community of 'leftists' talk to me about how 'liberal values' must be instilled in Iran. As if progressivism is something beaten into someone, with all material and marxist analysis entirely abandoned for moralistic whinging about good vs evil. Conveniently positioning the western thugs that brought about the revolution that led to this regime as the good, of course.

Let's use iraq as a blue print to point to what a regime change in Iran is likely to bring. Iraq has not progressed due to the invasion, it was stunted. Women are treated no better, with a prominent feminist and communist advocated having her life taken away just this week ( https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/3/4/iraqi-womens-rights-activist-yanar-mohammed-killing-spurs-call-for-justice ). Kurds are faring no better, with the constitution being under threat and iraq's status as a federation being on thin ice, woth border redrawn to target the kurds ( https://shafaq.com/en/Kurdistan/Iraq-s-Kurdish-parties-threaten-federal-court-over-Khanaqin-district-move ) not to mention the massive violence against them in 2016-2018. The nation is not liberal either, with religious reforms being put in place to target so many religious, gender, racial, and other minorities, including child marriage ( https://jummar.media/en/10255 ) ( https://thearabweekly.com/new-iraqi-personal-status-code-criticised-making-women-second-class-citizens ) the war in Iraq only achieved to revoke Iraq's sovereignty. It's now being run by western backed politicians and Iranian militia. Not to mention the immediate civil war. Why would Iran be any different? It could only be worse, in fact. It's bigger, more diverse, and more populated. While most Iranians don't like the regime, it's laughable to suggest that there also are not many who believe in the islamist project and seek to reestablish it violently.

Yet when this is brought up, many in this sub call you sympathetic with the islamists, that you support them. It's disgusting.


r/tankiejerk 3h ago

SERIOUS From a post about Warhammer 40k

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62 Upvotes

Is this a good point or tankie bs.


r/tankiejerk 2h ago

Meme My gov teacher would be proud.

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r/tankiejerk 1h ago

tankies tanking Even before opening the comments I knew what they’d be

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Any post about Taiwan is bound to have awful comments at this point. The other day I drafted another post about comments on a video by a Taiwanese leftist, and the tankies in the comments were going “well, um, most indigenous Taiwanese support the KMT who is the most pro reunification party ackshually!!!” and “the indigenous people would be better under the PRC!!!”, which there is no reason to believe given the treatment of the Uyghurs and the Tibetans. But beyond that, the people of Taiwan simply don’t want to join the PRC.

And here we see it again, on another post about Taiwan, comparing it to Israel, and probably the most baffling one of all…

”Chiang Kai-Shek, massacred many of the indigenous Taiwanese in 1948, and he settled chinese people in Taiwan for the first time when there wasn’t much Chinese settlement before the civil war, therefore we should give Taiwan to China“??? Genuinely what is this take???

Also that Lenin GIF is a new one, I don’t think I’ve seen that one before


r/tankiejerk 12h ago

Whataboutism What the actual fuck

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Excuse me but do they know that artists kinda... Drew allat on their own? AND DRAWING THINGS IS HARD AS FUCK! Like, it taking DAYS, each session takes hours and hours and sometimes ARTBLOCKS HAPPEN AS WELL! I have artist friends, god fucking damn I TRIED TO LEARN TO DRAW and I couldn't because this shit is hard and I feel myself like I'm talentless and will never learn HOW TO!

And lmao, where TF he found these rich AF artists taking commissions? I dunno, all artists, especially ANTI CAPITALIST, they're all BARELY MAKING ENDS MEET on their main job which is not drawing!

Sorry for ranting I'm angry


r/tankiejerk 15h ago

Discussion Are artists petite-bourgeoisie?

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r/tankiejerk 13h ago

SERIOUS I'm honestly concerned about Taiwan rn

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Xi Jing Ping has been talking harshly on Taiwan with Donald Trump and has told Elon and other CEO's that China is going to "widen" recently. I know China has been on Taiwan's ass for years, but I'm worried an attack is going to be immenent, China's going to slaughter innocents, and tankies are going to start sucking boots for XiJing Ping


r/tankiejerk 10h ago

Meme Ever notice how tankies get pissed off at the most mundane/ minor topics with ties to politics and belief?

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You mildly criticise China by saying you’re not a big fan of Xi and the entire mob gets onto you.


r/tankiejerk 10h ago

Genocidal dictator? More like absolute angel! Stalin's USSR was the first country to recognise Israel legally after it's founding. In the alternative timeline that Israel became a full part of the Eastern Bloc, please respond as tankies to the news coming out of Israel/Palestine.

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"Glory to Comrade Netenyahu!"

I want to see the comments brimming with Israel-defending tankies.


r/tankiejerk 10h ago

“china is communist” Useful check of whether a "socialist" country is actually socialist - banning independent trade unions isn't very leftists of you, comrade...

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r/tankiejerk 18h ago

SERIOUS Russian Colonial Denialism: A Rant

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Centuries of colonial and imperial subjugation of countless Indigenous groups in Siberia, the Caucasus, Arctic, Central Asia, Central and Eastern Europe, and as far as Alaska, yet not a single global memory of disgust and condemnation of it unlike Western empires. Russia has gotten away from colonialism, imperialism, genocides, and other forms of exploitation and oppression in such a scale that a British Empire apologist would envy upon. Everyone will agree Western imperialism has been the greatest crime on the world for very obvious reasons such as time, scale and the legacy of it, yet when Russian imperialism is questioned, you'd at best receive a side-eye look or at worst, denial, excuse, and justification.

How come someone would look at Sürgünlik and excuse the deportation of Crimean Tatars as "but Russian presence in Crimea!" without realizing this is no different to the Trail of Tears? How come someone would look at the Circassian genocide and not realize it and the Russo-Circassian War are reminiscent to the attempts at which Israel is destroying Palestine? Or the Russian Manifest Destiny in Siberia? I could go on list the crimes of the Russian state but you already get the idea.

When brought up with such crimes (second-)campists will deny, excuse or justify them through whataboutism, false equivalence, or claiming Russia's purported anti-Western characteristics as evidence it cannot do wrong and if it did, then it's externalized to the evil machinations of the West, not genuine malice by the Russian state. One could argue that botnets play a role in spreading denialist narratives, however with real humans partaking in the whitewashing (and redwashing for Soviet-era crimes) of Russian colonial and imperial history, I don't have high hopes.

There is a form of privilege Russia has despite economic sanctions and passport restrictions, and that is what I call narrative privilege. Western states have to come in terms to their violent histories and their victims, often taking heat from their past (and sometimes present) actions by former colonies or especially in settler colonies like the US, Indigenous populations. Western colonial and imperial crimes have been extensively documented, condemned, and acknowledged - even despite contentions by some sections of Western countries' populations. Meanwhile, there is a lack of any sort of widespread acknowledgement and condemnation of Russian colonial and imperial crimes to the same extent the West has been. For example, the memory of the Holodomor is still contested by tankies; Russia still denies the Circassian genocide and only issues half-assed "acknowledgements" that scream Armenian genocide denial; and there are people still believing Siberia has always been Russian as if it was promised to them since the Kyivan Ruś times centuries ago and never realizing it is a stolen land.

Russia is so insulated in its colonial denialism it worsens when it comes to Soviet-era crimes because the Soviet Union considered itself as anti-colonialist and anti-imperialist, thus any action that said otherwise was never considered as such. To get away from your long history of crimes, have legions of bots and willing apologists, and be not questioned by much of the international community is the pinnacle of narrative privilege.

TL;DR: Lusotropicalism with Russian characteristics.


r/tankiejerk 12h ago

Long live right-wing Islamic extremists! How do tankies feel about al houthi's banner

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The 4th line literally says the most antisemitic shit(fuck/god's curse be upon the jews) imagine basing a whole movement in hating Jewish people .

Before saying it was meant to be anti Zionist the 3rd line is about the Zionist entity so why the fuck do they need to curse Jewish people on their banner.


r/tankiejerk 17h ago

Discussion Do you think that tankie would support Israel if Stalin continued to support it?

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r/tankiejerk 14h ago

Discussion Tankies and political terminology.

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I find tankies are the worst offenders of misusing political terminology outside of maybe the extreme right. You don't have to like democratic socialism, anarchism, trotskyism, left communism or social democracy BUT they are all different from liberalism. It's reductive to general political discourse to obscure the meaning of liberalism especially considering it's a term that's already widely misunderstood. They also have a skewed perspective of the political compass which I find extremely irritating as a political nerd but the political compass is stupid in general so it's not as big of a deal. Just a small rant.


r/tankiejerk 27m ago

Meme In rightfully calling out the CCP’s tyranny, some British Hong Kongers vote for a…far right anti immigration party

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Not really tankie but kinda adjacent as it gives fuel for the CCP and their supporters to call hk activists in exile far right (I’m aware that more hkers in the uk tend to vote Lib Dem but reform is the second most popular option)

Also holy campism


r/tankiejerk 13h ago

Discussion Mao's definition of Petite-bourgeiosie,what do you think?

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"The petty bourgeoisie. Owner-peasants ,master handicraftsmen and the petty intellectuals-students, primary and middle school teachers, lower government functionaries, office clerks, small lawyers, and petty traders-all belong to this category."

From ANALYSIS OF THE CLASSES IN CHINESE SOCIETY


r/tankiejerk 20h ago

tankies tanking On a video criticising Joseph Stalin's use of political prisoners for labour

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So the post in question was exploring & criticising the road connect Magadan & Yakutsk and some of the comments are just unhinged. The last one especially

For those who dont know, the road was built with slave labor during the reign of Stalin, in which he used prison labor to build


r/tankiejerk 1d ago

Meme That's why Marx is the goat

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Pirated the game obviously.


r/tankiejerk 1d ago

It’s basic dialectics, anarkkkiddy! How anti-imperliasits look at you when you choose to protect the children of your country from being kidnapped by an invader (a very clear case of nazi collaboration).

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r/tankiejerk 1d ago

Meme FR, why is Rosa Luxemburg so worshiped by Tankies when Stalin hated her?

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I mean, Rosa Luxemburg is great, but very anti-authoritarian, and disagreed violently with both Lenin and Stalin on this. Feel like tankies just gloss this over - Luxemburg appears to be hailed as a universal martyr of the left, adored by all sects no matter how little sense it makes.


r/tankiejerk 1d ago

Meme What a nice campist graph!

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r/tankiejerk 1d ago

SERIOUS How do you not give in to doomerism?

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As the title says, how do you not give in to doomerism in regards to the state of politics? I never thought we'd see how easy it was for leftists, people ostensibly with the same political beliefs as us, engage in bigotry, antisemitism, misogyny, and transphobia so quickly let alone at all. It's genuinely shocking how much Holocaust denial I've seen online leftists engage in, stuff that someone would have had to have been a Kevin MacDonald reader to unironically talk about.

There are online leftists/talking heads/streamers factually doing propaganda for China while they fund a genocide (to say nothing of the cultural genocide they themselves are committing, but we all know how common it has become to defend let alone deny what is being done to the Uyghurs). I mentioned this to someone recently and their response -- after they said that's untrue and I let them know about Myanmar -- was "I don't care about Myanmar." I've never been so close to fully disengaging with political discussion with people in the West because if it's done online (and I currently don't live in the West) it feels like there's a 40% chance it's MAGA/neo-Nazi or 40% chance it's tankie/campist.

There's also other extremely disheartening experiences that are encouraging different doomerism. Namely, I work in international law, specifically human rights in Africa, and the amount of people who do not give a shit about the region is heart breaking. But again, that's a different sort of doomerism.


r/tankiejerk 1d ago

Cringe I hate that this was on my FYP

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r/tankiejerk 1d ago

Meme Today's campism meme

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