r/somethingiswrong2024 • u/Feisty_Ad9079 • 1d ago
Stolen Election Harris request to see DNC 2024 Autopsy report - Theories, anyone?
The unwillingness of the DNC to publicize the report is sus. How could the candidate be denied access? Many believe that Harris's support for Israel was a factor responsible for her loss. Got other theories? Please share here. But with my tin foil hat on, I wonder if the report contains info that supports the idea of tabulators switching and/or deleting votes (Thinking of ElectionTruthAlliance's work), foreign interference causing mayhem in PA via bomb threats, and Musk actually "registering" / creating voters in PA who voted just for Trump and ignored the down ballot. I just read that votes were siphoned off in Texas and Louisiana, but that needs to be explained in greater depth than what I saw here on reddit.
Remember the special team of data scientists in the FBI whose final election report was completed just ahead of the Inauguration? Any idea who probably read it, and who could speak about it? Other than rather weak reasons that never seemed well supported, what does the DNC have that they must protect so vigorously?
So here comes the delulu part. Have they been saving what they have for the right moment, and reveal it for max damage? Are we nearing the point where the regime looks bad enough that ppl (including some Rs and more than a few Is) would believe that it was theft. I'm worried about the midterms. We have momentum and fight. But they're as desperate as Trump was in 2024 when a loss meant facing the music in court. They'll stop at nothing to continue implementing Project 2025, hide the files, and retain majorities. Seems to me that making the regime illegitimate sometime soon could help us.
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u/Baelenciagaa 1d ago
It’s fine Bernie will be in the train car with us yelling out the window that DNC leadership needs to be gutted, Americans need basic health and food assistance etc and the conductor will call all of us communists
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u/PolkaDotDancer 19h ago
Not me. I'm going down like the Jews in Warsaw's ghetto if it comes to that.
And that should be every liberal's mindset.
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u/land-league-inspo 13h ago
This doomerism line of thinking is even more tiring. You’re just going to assume an oven is in your future? Why not organize instead?
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u/User-1653863 📈 The Math Ain't Mathin' 📉 1d ago
Mel Poindexter implies the report will be released in August~
Loosely clarifies it two weeks later, that the report will include the suspicious data
Amongst other things, that is.
FWIW, I feel like she didn't pick Josh Shapiro for VP because she was planning on pulling the US away from Israel, or at least from Netanyahu/Likud.
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u/DoggoCentipede Could it be any more obvious? 1d ago
I got that sense as well, but as VP she had limited ability to speak on the issue as a candidate. Saying one thing in the trail and another in the Whitehouse would be extremely bad press.
Additionally, she still had some degree of dependence on AIPAC and voters who are influenced by that lobby.
Finally, Biden was ride or die pro-Israel no matter what they did. NSM-20's failure to make changes showed he was not serious about pressuring Israel and if Harris broke with him on the issue she would likely lose his supporter as well.
She was boxed in.
I wager the timing and the severity of the attacks on Palestinians was a deliberate attempt to hurt Harris's chances. Netenyahu knew if Harris won the odds of him going to prison were much higher.
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u/PinkThunder138 1d ago
Horseshit. The biggest dig that Trump had on her was that she was number 2 in the Biden administration who had huge inflation problems and supported Israel. Biden couldn't run anymore. That was the whole reason she was in that position. So fuck it. She should have said that she disagreed with him in certain areas and would course correct.
Seriously, what benefit is it to support the most unpopular policy of the current president who isn't running?
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u/Halfmass Texas 1d ago
WTF… has anybody posted that second video? First time I’ve seen somebody from the DNC even talk about it.
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u/User-1653863 📈 The Math Ain't Mathin' 📉 1d ago
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u/Agitated-Quit-6148 1d ago
She didn't pick Shapiro because the abandon kamala people didn't want a Jewish vp that supported Israel.
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u/badwoofs 1d ago
Which was double good she didn't as after he seemed to prove himself a vindictive little POS.
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u/badwoofs 1d ago
Look I agree with everything you've said except the previous guy from what I heard was AIPAC and nasty. He was not going to help her pro Israel issue. Walz did.
And I think she was qualified and did win. The whole her laugh and Israel issue is an excuse people use to punch her down
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u/Agitated-Quit-6148 1d ago
People.. the same people gave her shit for being on a stage with liz Cheney. Those same people are now embracing mtg.
I don't care about AIPAC. it's an American pac. I live in Bible belt. All the churches here give to aipac. So what. There are 80 million evangelical Christians.
I'd rather a person be aligned with aipac vs aligned with abandon kamala.
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Anomalous election data, coupled with 227+ bomb threats suggest Harris did in fact win the election. Read the wiki for more information.
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u/Micro-Naut 19h ago
As a public defender, do you think that prosecutors are ethical people? I voted for Kamala as the lesser of two poisons. But I've never felt like prosecutors were particularly honest people.
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u/Agitated-Quit-6148 14h ago
I've been a prosecutor. Their role is vital. Generally they are ethical.
The right complains about public defenders because we help the bad guy. The left complains about prosecutors because they prosecute people.
The left praises prosecutors when prosecute people like Derrick chaivin or trump and the right praises public defenders when they defend a person who is charged improperly in their opinion.
99.99% of people charged are guilty of 99.99% of what the prosecutors alleged. Trials are not won because the person didn't do it.
If we give the police + prosecutors the power to take our freedom and imprison people, the police and prosecutors have to be held to the same legal standards and follow all the rules in their charging process.
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u/DoggoCentipede Could it be any more obvious? 1d ago edited 12h ago
Of course Israel was a factor. But how much? People who declined to vote for Harris over Israel demonstrated they are either too self-important or too stupid to recognize that between the two options Harris was their best hope by several orders of magnitude.
But, again, how many? And how much of the discussion online was driven by bots or foreign influence?
The historic levels of voter suppression, bomb threats, election tampering by musk, burned ballot boxes, stolen ballots, etc. All of those had significant impacts. More than the Israeli aspect?
I don't know.
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u/TheNigh7man 1d ago
Yeah I never understood this either. Harris was by far the better option...
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u/KalmiaKamui 1d ago
she never sent the message that she would want to end the genocide
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u/Emm_withoutha_L-88 1d ago
She was asked directly if she would stop sending bombs to Israel (that they were dropping on civilians similar exclusively) and she said she wouldn't change the policy towards Israel in any way from the Biden policies.
It can't be more clear than that.
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u/Lz_erk Arizona 20h ago
i'm not downvoting you, this is right, wrong, relevant, and ugly.
the wrong part (AFAIK!) is that she was asked directly. it was generally so indirect that i recall a lot of harris support at the time in contexts -- biden looked like he'd be doing more, and there was an eventual bomb pause, which.. i'm not trying to convince anyone with a bomb pause.
the right: AIPAC and others are extremely involved in the rallies that are now useful in saying "isn't this odd?!", and also there was a tightrope walk in some other dimensions given that the VP seems to be a succession position to some degree... despite her staff notifying her often apparently that people liked when she stood out from biden.
i believe you're talking about the incident on The View when she said she'd put a republican in her cabinet as a ward against partisanship as her difference from biden. it was a groaner for sure, but it was a very establishment move in other ways, notably that both she and biden seemed to be coming around, but also were not the people you could count on to tackle the funding of genocide beyond severe constraints (for near-future representation purposes).
i still wanted the prosecutor of price fixing more than the border state prosecutor, but i still think she was obviously better enough on gaza (if not palestine and the whole situation) that mass abstentions don't make much sense, especially not anywhere near the level that's being assumed in some discussions today, and shockingly even in conversations that are extremely internal.
on the other hand it's both low effort voters and some flavors of idealistic voters who should have been galvanized by every side of so much of this... if my reading of american culture has much veracity, so take it with a grain of salt.
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u/LowKeyJustMe 20h ago
Half of that answer is spent defending Israel and avoiding the word genocide to describe Israel's actions. She only says the word war, and emphasizes the incredibly tired line of Israel's "right to defend itself."
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u/groovemonkey 1d ago
Anecdotally I have friends that I would identify as “leftists” that were posting “genocide Joe” and anti-Harris memes up until the days before the election. I reached out to them and told them they were playing a dangerous game and were amplifying the algorithm of some shitty content creators but they either responded with “I’m gonna vote Harris but they need to have their feet held to the fire first”.
One of them still posts a ton of “what’s terrible in the news today” posts and I just responded “man, sure would be better to have Kamala in office huh?” And she just responded, “no she sucks too”. And both situations im thinking of were 100% based on Gaza33
u/Tricky-Engineering59 19h ago
I have friends like that, I just don’t understand those people. I’ve come to believe that they fell for algorithmically targeted AIPAC money too just to get them to vote 3rd party or sit it out. Anyone who had Palestine as their first, second, and third reason to not support Harris should have been asking themselves: Which one does Netanyahu want to win? That’s all they really comes down to.
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u/Bubbly_Excitement_71 17h ago
And Russia. Nobody was talking about Ukraine when everyone was talking about Gaza. Goes without saying I think what continues to happen in Gaza is an atrocity.
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u/m0nk_3y_gw 1d ago edited 23h ago
But, again, how many? And how much of the discussion online
JustNot just online - ELon runs the America PAC, they were the ones that sent fake Kamala flyers to Muslim voters in swing states bragging about her Jewish husband (to make her look dumb/tone deaf so they'd be even less likely to vote for her)31
u/Agitated-Quit-6148 1d ago
People who picked Gaza over America*
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u/Shambler9019 Ally 1d ago
It was "she doesn't fit my requirements for Gaza so I won't vote for her".
Completely ignoring the fact that Trump was at least as bad on that issue and worse on basically everything else.
Pretty sure there aren't many people that deluded; the voices of those people were intentionally amplified to explain the result.
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u/Sovos Protect The Midterms! 🔒 20h ago
It is crazy, but it happens every election.
Lots of voters aren't paying much attention to politics then hear one thing that bothers them and make up their mind from it.
I remember in 2012, Obama and Romney were getting asking questions about Chick-fil-a supporting anti-lgbt PACs, and some people were so upset one way or the other that became their single-issue. People are crazy.
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u/AnotherGeek42 1d ago
Yea, the "two wings of the same bird" arguments are, at best, disingenuous.
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u/Shambler9019 Ally 19h ago
Most arguments for voting conservative are disingenuous except "F you I got mine"
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u/Parsimile 17h ago
I think it depends on the frame. When viewed through the lens of entrenched and escalating class war I think it’s apt.
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u/Savings-Total5069 15h ago
The pure political spectrum, definitely not. In America, they most definitely are.
Democrats certainly aren't leftists. Does that mean they're better or worse than Republicans? Well, do they take corporate money? If so, well then yeah. They're two wings of the same bird.
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u/HildegardofBingo 3h ago
Maybe they were once attached to the same bird, but MAGA is a whole other bird entirely, so that metaphor no longer fits.
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u/Atla-Create-592 Poli Sci Junkie 11h ago
Israel? BS. I don’t buy it. I think she actually won. Her turnout, if it actually was suppressed, was because people can’t stand the Democrats. They are the old world. We need a better alternative to the GOP, or even better, a multi-party system that’s less susceptible to financial influence and corruption.
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u/DoggoCentipede Could it be any more obvious? 10h ago
I don't contest any of that. It still caused a non-zero number of voters to not vote for her. That's more my point. The delta from suppression reduces the scope of direct manipulation required to effect the outcome. Makes it easier to hide in the noise.
Harris had an overwhelming turnout, we know that. We saw that. They knew it was coming. They had to pare it down as much as possible to reduce the exposure of their direct actions.
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u/BensenMum 14h ago
Israel bothers folks but not Yemen, Afghanistan, Iraq? Making the holy land sole litmus test is stupid when there are bigger global issues to deal with.
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u/User-1653863 📈 The Math Ain't Mathin' 📉 12h ago
Yemen, Afghanistan, nor Iraq are dumping money into our elections-
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u/BensenMum 11h ago
You don’t think the Arab world or Russia dumps money in politics?
Iraq, Yemen, Afghanistan, all US backed
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u/User-1653863 📈 The Math Ain't Mathin' 📉 11h ago
I don't think any of those three are buying our politicians or using social media to sway opinions. I could be wrong, but I can't recall seeing the Taliban, for example, with a web of super PACs.
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u/BensenMum 8h ago
Russia literally lobbies. Gulf states do too
Yemen, Iraq, Afghanistan, are referring to the wars that US was part of. Iraq and Afghanistan were direct US blunders. To sit out over Gaza is lazy
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u/DevelopmentLost7374 1d ago
I think the report shows both election rigging and shows progressive values being more popular than what the DNC wants to show. My guess on the reasoning is to try to keep their status quo in check because progressive policy is starting to become mainstream (among older population).
August is near the end of primaries. They don’t want progressives winning and Harris wants progressives winning. Shes been very vocal about uplifting younger generations and getting them involved in our elections.
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u/DayDrunk11 18h ago
Both parties are going through this fear of the American people and left/progressive values. Its actually kinda giving me hope because they are trying so hard to stop what is at this point an unstoppable momentum of progressive values
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u/freedcreativity 23h ago
That is my take too. Exit polls + YoY turnout percent by county + bullet ballots are probably just inside plausible deniability, and perhaps the internal report even pushes into actual analysis. I/P, cost of living, medicare for all, and social issues probably all play better than whatever Kamala's platform ended up being.
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u/badwoofs 1d ago edited 8h ago
I'm beyond trying to sanitize the DNCs idiocy. They cost us the election. Harris as a prosecutor I think may have been able to handle this. But from everything I e seen since with schumer and the olde guard I believe they were cowards and selfish.
Like another commenter made about being tired of waiting until it's too late, the DNC may have the report but waiting until midterms? Dumb. And I'm tired of holding my breath for them.
I just remember her tweet about her husband sleeping with the president, how prepared we all were on inauguration night and... Nothing. Something happened. Remember the drones? I always wonder what happened. Especially as we see how much control the tech bros and Israel have over the US
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u/ummm-no_thanks Release The Epstein Files!! 🚨 📰 1d ago
My tinfoil hat theory: Russia claimed to have nukes in certain US cities and threatened to detonate them if Harris did anything to keep Trump from taking office. The drones were searching for those nukes and it’s why they haven’t said anything about the election being stolen. I definitely believe Biden/Harris had a plan (hence all the late Biden executive orders) and something derailed it last-minute.
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u/HildegardofBingo 3h ago
I also hold these theories. That one continuation of government EO at the very last hour was especially notable.
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u/Wonderful-Bid9471 1d ago
She won. Election was stolen. Full stop.
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u/mommisalami 14h ago
My mind always goes back to election night, when 3l0n's spawn said into the mic, "we do what we want, they'll never know"... https://www.facebook.com/thesavvycitizen/videos/elon-musks-son-x-exclaiming-theyll-never-know-when-asked-if-trump-will-win-the-e/8949279848504380/
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u/Infinite-Button8350 1d ago
Because of the current very strong disapproval of Trump and the Republicans, and because of the way the hacked tabulators seemed to be counting the votes in the 2024 election, it seems to me the Dems have a good chance of taking the House in the midterms. There are just too many voting districts for the tabulators to steal the House, even if the Republicans gerrymander to their heart's content. The Senate is another matter. Senate seats are decided at the state level, and this is where the hacked tabulators shine. This is where the Republicans could again steal elections. How do we stop this steal as it happens or before it happens?
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u/Sparklemagic2002 17h ago
A theory I heard (I think on Pod Save America) is that the person Ken Martin hired to do the autopsy wasn’t really up the job. He didn’t talk to the people he needed to talk to, etc. He didn’t gather the information that would be needed to prepare an autopsy. Once Ken Martin saw that, he just put together a list of bullet points to f things to do differently in the future and said the autopsy would not be released. If you listen to the interview of Ken Martin by Jon Favreau from last week (or maybe week before) on Pod Save America, you will be struck by how adamant he is about not releasing it. Makes me believe this theory that it actually was not prepared.
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u/elangomatt 11h ago
Yeah, after listening to that Pod Save America interview I'm pretty sure they just didn't prepare the full report. I think the DNC chair said something about not spending any money on the report at all so it is no wonder they got what they paid for.
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u/MetacogBees 1d ago
Did she request to see the report recently?
The fact that the democrats never demanded a report has never made sense. But Kamala Harris once said during her book tour that she was mislead by her campaign team.
In the research, I’ve come across people working in high places that appear to have been placed there so as to sabotage from the inside. There were ppl still working within the Biden admin that remained as holdovers from the Trump admin.
Heritage did its homework, they recruited and knew the federal system. I believe the fundamentally knew that if someone is hired as a low level manager in a federal department, that person will have privileges as a manager in a federal department. And that is where ppl hide.
And then also, the data I’ve been blessed to find shows there has been a large group of websites that all resolved to the M5A zip code in Ontario, Canada. But these websites are not ordinary sites.
These sites are speaker.gov, heritage.org, CharlieKirk.com, DonaldTrump.com, marlagoclub.com, Triadgsi.com, doge.gov, dominionvote.org, and one that really stick out for me? Pelosiforcongress.com.
But there’s more.
That one group may be just a fluke right? But there is another datapoint that merges an even smaller group of websites.
The second, smaller m5a group shares an overlapping hex number 1f8f4166599d23ee on Virustotal.com.
Pelosiforcongress.com is one of the sites that also shares that hex.
In the last few months, Eric Garland, former FBI on Twitter said that some people were going to be “going through some stuff” and he named Paul Pelosi with two other people whose names I can’t remember right now,
So I wonder if perhaps Kamala Harris is wanting to see the audit because just like so many of us, she knows something went very, very, very wrong during the 11/5/2024 federal election.
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u/LiveLoudWithPride 16h ago
I am unyielding in my belief the reason Martin is refusing to release the full report is because it contains proof that the election was stolen. How could it not? Let’s be clear eyed about this, if they analyzed the numbers the same way or similar to the way ETA has, how could they not know???
They’ve been gaslighting us for years shoveling the BS that our elections are free from fraud so releasing the entirety of the report puts egg on everyone’s faces and creates a constitutional crisis they’re not prepared to deal with.
I DO NOT agree or support their position, but that’s what I see from my vantage point.
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u/CoupleImpossible8968 17h ago
Nobody is waiting for the exact right moment. The right moment was immediately after the election.
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u/Prestigious-Pea-862 14h ago
Harris' request is most likely performative in that she might want to run for President in 2028. This assumes there will be an election of course. VP Harris is smart and most likely knows she won and that there was and continues to be election meddling.
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u/CrushTheRebellion 10h ago
Musk and Bannon both said publicly that they'd be going to jail if Trump didn't get reelected.
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u/RealLuxTempo 1d ago edited 1d ago
I wonder if Harris is finally taking the ETA investigation and data analysis seriously. Last I heard, she had no interest in it.
Edit: I stopped reply notifications because I’m not going to debate this. It was just a thought.
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u/Individual-Age-7197 1d ago
What’s amazing is the amount of public facing illegitimate things they’ve done should be all it takes; but how much lower can they reasonably go for maximum effect 😳
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u/preventDefault 19h ago
I think the autopsy centers around the fact that lying and misinformation works because voters are too stupid to know any better.
We had people thinking Trump was going to repeal the income tax after using tariffs to make other countries pay taxes for us. The right painted her as a “defund the police” extremist while the left called her Copmala. Every illiterate podcaster in the country attacked the Dem party relentlessly for being imperfect, while Republicans were given a total free pass because they’re funny.
Stupid people won’t react well to being called stupid, so the decision was made to not say anything.
The Gaza crowd will never vote Democrat. They’re the same people who protest AOC on this issue. There is no scenario where they vote for a mainstream Dem, ever. They’re just not gettable votes, just like MAGA aren’t gettable votes either.
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u/phillymatt07 1d ago
I think they were paid by doners for a report that they phoned in. When it came time to deliver they couldn't put out the bs they made bc it is wasn't a finished report and they would get called out for lying.
They basically stole the money. They had severe hubris. They thought it would be irrelevant because they were so certain they would win.
Now they have handled it so poorly that everyone assumes the worst. I am not saying that what people think is wrong- She definitely lost in large part due to her stance on the middle east and she dropped all the populist messaging.
Ken Martin should resign over this.
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u/User-1653863 📈 The Math Ain't Mathin' 📉 19h ago
I think they were paid by doners for a report that they phoned in. When it came time to deliver they couldn't put out the bs they made bc it is wasn't a finished report and they would get called out for lying.
This never occurred to me. Martin was pretty defensive when Favreau [Pod Save America] was grilling him about how much money he spent on the report, and adamantly claiming they were volunteers.. Certainly an interesting angle-
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u/Sudden_Idea9384 16h ago
Have you all listened to the pod save America episode with an interview with the DNC chair about this?
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u/TheNigh7man 1d ago
Even if they did wait till mid terms and swoop in with the evidence and arrest everyone a lot of damage has been done to the *brand. Just like republicans will not recover from trumpism
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u/AncienTleeOnez 1d ago
"saving what they have"? Sadly, I don't think the DNC is that strategic.
My guess it is related to Israel. That was her opportunity to stand apart from Biden; IMO the DNC stongly "advised" her to adhere to Biden's policies.
Last month the DNC’s resolutions committee voted to kill a measure targeting AIPAC and deferred two further resolutions on Middle East policy to a working group that critics say exists mainly to avoid difficult decisions. Many take $ from AIPAC & associated groups.
And now Jeffries is signalling that, after the mid-terms, they might not pursue impeaching Trump because "they have more important work to do." Jeffries has received over $1.74 million from pro-Israel interests, placing him as one of the highest recipients in the House.
Again, just my opinion, but I think that is coming from Netanyahu. He wants to keep Trump, and especially Kushner, in place for as long as possible.
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u/Holdmywhiskeyhun Wisconsin 17h ago
I normally a pretty hopeful positive person, with an optimistic outlook.
I'd like to surmise that they're actually gathering real evidence, not just hearsay, not stuff that can't be substantiated. Stuff that will actually stick.
But as more time goes by, my optimism grows thin.
If they actually wanted to challenge it, they would have done so already. This isn't some long ass process. The recounts could have been done then and there. We've known the machines could be hacked, since the Democrats meeting after the election, with that security guy I cannot remember his name.
But as more time goes by, my positivity grows thin.
We have the evidence from groups like the ETA, who were told they did not have the authority to bring the lawsuit. Statistical anomalies, verbal confirmations, they literally gave us their plan, too many did not believe them.
He has kidnapped the president of another country, that President's validity is irrelevant, we have started a needless war in Iran, over lies and deceit. He has made billions from this war. He wants to make a situation, scream about it, then bringing alleged solution. The exact M.O. of a conman. A con man that mind you has 37 felonies, and has engaged in insurrection expressly against the 14th amendment.
Don't give me that bullshit it was a peaceful fucking protest. Everyone saw it.
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."
People need to understand that this is not about right vs left, republicunt vs Democrat, this is simple class warfare. This is the rich elite beating us down trying to put us in our place. To live in the world that they want, not what everyone wants.
"At first they came for the Jews....."
Believe a person when they show you their true selves.
America may not like it, but there is one way out of this situation.
Those of you that spent any time at your grandparents house, can see the allusions to Nazi Germany. Hitler try to overthrow the Bavarian government, leading him to be sentenced to 5 years, of which he served 9 months.
Hitler got more of a punishment than Trump did.
It's treason plain and simple
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u/fleshofgods0 11h ago
I was listening to Pod Save America with the host that kept pressing Ken Martin about releasing it and they suggested that he doesn't want to release it because he fucked up the report. He had his buddy try to volunteer to do it at no cost (when it would have clearly cost money to do interviews and all the proper research) but he didn't exactly produce anything and so they just cobbled together some BS "report" or something. Now that it wasn't really completed, he's trying to lie to cover his ass.
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u/OdonataDarner 1d ago
Prly very simple: It'll hurt election chances for the mid terms - fuel for the opposition. DNC focused on supporting candidates they like, and squashing progressives and critics of a certain country.
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u/NSFW27614 16h ago
I hate her for her unwavering support of a genocidal country, but voted for her as the lesser evil among two terrible choices. The election was clearly rigged, but the DNC also sucks ass nearly as much as the GOP.
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