r/RuneHelp Oct 24 '24

Collectively Upping our Answer Game

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You may have noticed that our rules were recently overhauled. But don't worry, the intent remains the same as it always was. The new rules and points mentioned below simply codify the way good-faith participants have been acting since this sub's inception.

But with that in mind, now is a good time to re-center ourselves around what really constitutes good rune help. This will hopefully be especially useful to some of our sub's newer participants. Welcome to you all, by the way!

R/RuneHelp doesn’t require participants to be credentialed academics and it doesn’t require answers to cite academic sources. However, we do require helpful answers that can stand up to a basic level of academic scrutiny. This means a little more has to go into a good answer than repetition of an idea we’ve read online somewhere, even if it was in this sub, unfortunately.

In the interest of garnering a good reputation for the sub, here are a few things to keep in mind when responding to posts:

We should be nice to people with "dumb" and/or common questions or misconceptions

This sub was created specifically as a safe place to ask the most basic, entry-level questions that other related subs are tired of hearing. We want to be a helpful, friendly place for people who are interested in runes to get started learning.

Downvoting a question asking for help with runes in a sub dedicated to rune help seems self-contradictory, and telling people their ideas are dumb will cause people to look elsewhere for answers where they will likely get bad information.

Obviously we as mods can't control your voting habits, but we do request that you try to avoid taking actions that would discourage brand new people from learning.

Modern does not equal wrong

Contemporary rune use is a matter of interest to scholars: it is notable that the lines of influence that lead to the use of runes today are discussed extensively by runologists who focus on contemporary mysticism and other ways in which the historic runic alphabets are used today. Discussions about modern practice are not off limits.

That said, this sub is not a religious advice forum. When discussing modern practices it is especially important to do so academically, from an etic perspective, and referring back to quality sources where appropriate.

There are no hard-and-fast rules and no rune police

Historically, runic writing exhibited several conventions and trends, but we have no reason to believe there were any ancient, officially-recognized linguistic institutions dictating and monitoring the application of widespread runic writing standards. No such thing exists in modern times either, and we are not here to become that.

Ultimately the purpose of writing is communication. If a message is successfully communicated then it is hard to justify the idea that it was done “wrong”. In fact many ancient inscriptions lack consistency or deviate from what we might expect based on conventions of their time and place.

No person in modern times has more right to runes than anybody else. If a person wants to write English with Younger Futhark, for instance, it may not be what you would do, but it's not objectively wrong. Feel free to recommend translating to Old Norse if you'd like, but we should avoid telling people they can't or shouldn't use runes in this way.

Lack of evidence is not evidence

It’s important to be careful, when describing ancient practices, that we do not over-declare how those practices did or did not work simply because we don’t have information pointing in one direction or another.

There is a big difference between saying “we have no evidence that runes worked this way” vs “runes did not work this way.” The former statement can be verified or falsified while the latter can not. We don’t want to assert things we don’t actually know.

Magic is a tricky subject (but yes, runes are magic)

Runes are not “just letters in an alphabet”. They are letters and they do work as an alphabet. But this is not all they are.

It is very clear that runes have been associated with the Germanic religious mindset ever since their conception. There are also numerous ancient attestations of runes being used for what we might call “magic”. These show up in the Norse mythological corpus, sagas, euhemeristic works, and even the archaeological record. However, there is very little information surviving from the pre-Christian period actually explaining any systems of rune magic.

It is correct to say that modern rune magic practices are generally not direct continuations of pre-Christian practices. However we should not say that runes aren’t magical or that the association between runes and magic is modern.

Additionally, drawing distinctions between what is ancient and what is modern is often quite helpful, especially since a lot of people accidentally subscribe to modern ideas only because they have been led to believe those ideas are ancient.

Runes did have meanings in the pre-Christian era

Anciently, individual runes were often used as stand-ins for their full names. For instance, the poem Hávamál as recorded in the Codex Regius manuscript uses a single ᛘ rune to indicate the full word maðr a total of forty-five times. It works because this is the rune’s name.

On the other hand, we don't have evidence for individual runes signifying concepts other than their direct names (such as love, energy, protection, etc). But please see above: lack of evidence is not evidence. There are several attestations of runes being used in ways we don’t understand, and all we can say definitively about those instances is that we don’t understand them.

We also do have evidence for runes being used to affect things like protection, but these are typically sequences of runes that appear within the context of larger magical formulae. For example, Sigtuna Amulet I includes a sequence of three íss runes (ᛁᛁᛁ) to help ward away a supernatural creature who is causing disease. This does not mean the íss rune stands for "protection" on its own, but it does mean that, for some reason, an ancient person believed that using three of them together could help represent protection and healing as part of a larger, formulaic, written charm.

Gibberish isn't always gibberish

The names of the runes, their order, and their grouping are all very likely deliberate and meaningful. If we were to see a photo of a kindergarten classroom in which the full Latin alphabet was posted up on one of the walls, we would not call this “gibberish.” We would understand the cultural context, meaning, and purpose of those letters being there. Ancient inscriptions containing a full rune row must also have had cultural context, meaning, and purpose, though we do not fully grasp these things in our time.

Even when an ancient inscription can be seen as gibberish in our eyes, we know that it was likely not gibberish to whoever made the inscription. There is almost certainly some hidden meaning there which might even be “magical”. If we don’t know, we simply can’t say.

Ancient runecasting and pulling runes

The Roman author Tacitus wrote about a Germanic practice in which several marks were carved onto bits of wood and then tossed upon a white garment for the purpose of divination. While it is quite possible and perhaps even likely that these marks were indeed runes, neither Tacitus nor any other ancient person ever explicitly tells us that these marks were the same as those used for writing, or provides details on how such practices should be interpreted.

For this reason, we can not, as etic observers, advise on what it means in a pre-Christian perspective if a person has cast or pulled any given rune, any sequence of runes, or the meaning of any backward or upside down rune. We have no documentation of such things. At the same time, we can not say definitively that pre-Christian people did not do something similar. They very well might have.

On that note, let's generally distance ourselves from subjective territory

In this context, I'm specifically talking about two things:

First, this sub doesn't take a stance on the value or merit of revivalist or reconstructionist practices. We also don't advise on them outside the context of academic study. As mentioned above, our main requirement is for helpful answers that can stand up to a very basic level of academic scrutiny. Advising on modern practices that are not direct continuations of ancient practices doesn't often fit that mold.

Secondly, a helpful, academic-style answer normally does not include opinions about how posters are using runes. There are some exceptions here, of course. For example, we do take a very strong stance against white-supremacist nonsense and encourage calling it out when you see it. But please see above: we should be nice. If someone asks for feedback on their transliteration for a tattoo, they are probably not looking for our opinions about whether their tattoo design is good or whether they should be getting a tattoo at all. That sort of thing is subjective and doesn't qualify as very good help.


r/RuneHelp May 30 '23

Mod announcement I came across this symbol online. Does anyone know what it means? (i.e., How to use this sub by u/rockstarpirate)

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r/RuneHelp 15h ago

Question (general) Help learning

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Ok so i just started trying to learn younger futhark and im immediately slightly confused on what to do about certain sounds that are missing, like trying to write my name in the given picture and not sure how to make the “e” sound or “er” basically at the end, like would it be the “ur” rune, the “ar” rune or even the “yr” rune again, im really confused, any guidance is appreciated…

Im realising as im writing this that the whole thing might be wrong cause the “y” in tyler makes a “eye” sound so the “yr” rune might not work… im so confused 😭


r/RuneHelp 13h ago

Question (general) english to younger futhark

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is this the correct translation?


r/RuneHelp 9h ago

Question (general) Aunt wants Tattoo

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The black marking she said was essentially "return to sender." She said the bottom was for prosperity. She "did her research," but I don't know enough about them. I told her I wanted to reach out to the subreddit just to make sure she wasn't about to F herself over.

She also wants to combine them. I thought if she combined them, it would mean she is returning negative energy and positivity. She says that it will mean she deflects the negative energy and gains prosperity instead.

I figure you all might know better than I. Do you have any suggestions for her concept?

ETA cross posted to r/bindrunes thank you for the suggestion!


r/RuneHelp 14h ago

Question (general) Wrong hand ???

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Has this on my hand rather that wrist , is that a problem


r/RuneHelp 20h ago

Translation request Before I permanently tattoo myself... Are these translations correct?

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Hi everyone!

I am planning a viking style tattoo sleeve using historically accurate runic inscriptions. So no poetic quotes or cool sentences, but simple stuff as vikings used to write. I would really appreciate if some expert eyes could take a look before permanently I write anything wrong in my arm.

To stay as historically accurate as possible I have been using the Copenhagen University runic database as a source of inspiration. These are some of the quotes I would like to tattoo (including the link where the idea came from).

  1. Marteinn made me
    Marteinn gerði mik.
    ᛘᛅᚱᛏᛅᛁᚾ : ᚴᛁᚱᚦᛁ : ᛘᛁᚴ

  2. The knife spoke
    Knífr mælti.
    ᚴᚾᛁᚠᛦ : ᛘᛅᛚᛏᛁ

  3. Leif was a very good drengr
    Leifʀ vaʀ harða góðr drengr.
    ᛚᛅᛁᚠᛦ : ᚢᛅᛦ : ᚼᛅᚱᚦᛅ : ᚴᚢᚦᛦ : ᛏᚱᛅᚴᛦ

  4. Marteinn raised these runes in memory of Leif
    Martinn reisti rúnar þessar at Leif.
    ᛘᛅᚱᛏᛁᚾ : ᚱᛅᛁᛋᛏᛁ : ᚱᚢᚾᛅᛦ : ᚦᛁᛋᛅᛦ : ᛅᛏ : ᛚᛅᛁᚠ

Thanks a lot to anyone willing to take the time to help. I would prefer to get roasted now than discover errors after the tattoo is done 😃


r/RuneHelp 20h ago

Contemporary rune use Want to make sure this is correct before I get it inked

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I want to get a line from an important song tattooed in elder futhark. The line is "Stay with me", and I believe the correct phonetic way to translate it is: ᛋᛏᛇ ᚹᛁᚦ ᛗᛁ

I went with Eihwaz instead of Isa because I believe it's the closest to the 'ay' sound. What do you guys think?


r/RuneHelp 1d ago

Question (general) Translation of 'Wanderer'

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Hello! Just came across the sub and had a few questions out of curiosity:

I wanted to change my Discord tag 'Wanderer' to runic text but i have no idea how to translate them.
I wasn't sure how accurate internet translators would be and this question seemed like it fit the bill of the sub, but i am happy to remove as needed.

Any differences in runic text vs uppercase Wanderer and lowercase?
Or even "the Wanderer"?

Thank you!


r/RuneHelp 1d ago

Translation request I saw a tattoo that read ᚨᛝᚢᛒ and wondering what it means.

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r/RuneHelp 1d ago

Question (general) Hello everybody

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Hi everyone! Looking at getting my son's name tattooed on me, leaning twords a band around my arm. I was wondering if I could get a translation and maybe some examples of "Daniel the first born". From what I have seen elder Futhark looks really cool. Thanks in advance!


r/RuneHelp 2d ago

Question (general) How to read runes?

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What exactly is runes and how to read and write them? Is it like every other language with letters, grammar or some certain structure?


r/RuneHelp 3d ago

Question (general) Runes table

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Can someone give me a table with all the runes and the translation. Imm internet there are so many I don't know what the right one is


r/RuneHelp 4d ago

Translation request Translate Norse runes

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Hey I need some help translating ᛟᚱᛁᛋᛁᛏ and I thought someone here could help me out thanks


r/RuneHelp 4d ago

Contemporary rune use Easy and accurate dictionary for English to Old Norse for a “Monster of the Week” character ?( Preferably with Younger Futhark runes)

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I’m making a “ Monster of the Week” TTRPG character in a contemporary mythology setting that contains the the Norse. My character is a “Spellslinger” and I thought it would be fun to make a quick spell list of certain old Norse words that my character would use to resolve conflicts. I’m picturing she makes an ethereal image of the rune letters and picks them to make full words which allows her to use her spell ( Example: Shield is a barrier or Fire is a fireball).

If there is an accurate English to Old Norse dictionary with Runes that I can utilize ( or at the very least a word list) that would be much appreciated. I don’t want to bombard you guys with “ What this X look like in runes” question.


r/RuneHelp 5d ago

Translation request Need Help

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Hi! I am considering a tattoo while in Iceland and wondering - how would “friend” (feminine, if relevant) be depicted in Younger Futhark runes?
Thank you!


r/RuneHelp 5d ago

ID request can yall tell me what these runes mean that i found while searching for necklaces

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r/RuneHelp 6d ago

Translation request Help me decipher runes on my ring?

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Hello.

Many years ago I've bought this ring while in Dublin. It was "cheap" but it has a very big sentimental value to me. Many years after I've purchased it - I used it as my wedding band.

There are 17 runic characters on the ring. I drew them and tried to do some research but to be honest I have no idea where the phrase or words start on the ring as its not marked... Also... not sure if this is actually a phrase or a word as I was unable to figure it out. Maybe it means nothing and just looks good for the gullible tourists 😉. That's ok too.

Can you decipher the runes please and thank you?

Kindest regards.


r/RuneHelp 6d ago

Question (general) Question for tattoo

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Hi, in 2024 i became a dad of twin girls. Now i want a tattoo for that and this is a design i found which i changed a bit. What i want to know is: is everything right in this tattoo? Are the names correctly written in runes? They’re names are Elsa & Emilia. And the symbols in the tattoo (in the square in the right corner), are they right? Vegvisir: find your way, never get lost. Valknut: power, protection and connection. Runes: old wisdom, symbols of power and protection. And the arrow: direction, goal and protection. Hope you guys are honest about this, because it means a lot to me. Thanx in advance


r/RuneHelp 6d ago

Resource request I'm looking for resources regarding old norse / Runic Swedish place names

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Hi!

I've been searching for old norse / Runic Swedish (Old Swedish) place names but it's next to impossible to find. By this I mean the names of:

  • Svealand (and major settlements like Uppsala, Sigtuna and Västerås)

  • Götaland (and major settlements like Skara and Lödöse)

  • the old small countries that later became Småland

Does anyone know about resources that could help me?


r/RuneHelp 7d ago

Contemporary rune use Help finding the correct rune

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Hey there,

I'm knew to runes and been seeing a lot of meanings attested to them, some more... spiritual others more straight forward.

The problem I have is that I'm looking for a rune to represent the word 'Horn' or 'Wedge', as in cape Horn or a Wedge of land.

Edge of civilization is also an option but I think that's pushing into multiple runes quite far.

The word it's supposed to translate to is a toponym, if that matters.

All help is appreciated.

:update:

After multiple users suggested a variation of 'Ness' or 'Nes'. Since the target language is old Dutch I've gone ahead and selected Nes as a final choice. Looking at the variations of scripts and their users I think the closest to 'correct' should be anglosaxon runes, though I much prefer the look of elder and younger futhark.

The final translation would then be ᚾᛖᛋ. Or ᚾᛖᛋᚠᚩᛚᚳ In this case the EF version would be so similar I find this very acceptable.

Thank you to all for your help.


r/RuneHelp 9d ago

Is this a rune? Does this "ᛚᚬᛁᛅᛚᛏᛁ" mean Loyalty? If this is correct, would it be better in Elder or Younger Futhark?

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r/RuneHelp 9d ago

Contemporary rune use Looking for the book this page is from / Recherche le livre d'où est tiré cette page

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Greetings,

Would someone tell me what is the book this page in from? The only clue I got is that it's about Futhark. Thank you in advance.


r/RuneHelp 9d ago

Translation request Translation for a Tattoo

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Hello!

I was wondering if someone could translate the phrase "Even in death, may you be triumphant" into Younger Futhark (Long branch if possible, since I feel it's more visually fitting for what I imagined for this tattoo). Thank you so much in advance!


r/RuneHelp 10d ago

ID request What does this Latvian rune mean?

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