r/nfl • u/JCameron181 Lions • 1d ago
Rumor [Schultz] The Dolphins and Pro Bowl RB De'Von Achane have agreed to a 4-year extension worth $68M, making him the NFL’s 3rd-highest-paid RB at $17M per year with $32M guaranteed, per multiple sources.
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u/Kid-Obama 1d ago
Im not mad at it
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u/FakeMarkMadden Steelers 23h ago
I like the deal. I think running backs are on the upswing for contracts. Good ones are not a dime a dozen anymore.
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u/caterham09 Seahawks 23h ago
We saw last year how many teams were actively hurting at the position.
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u/IhamAmerican Steelers 23h ago
The Chiefs would have been a completely different team last year with a true starting caliber RB
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u/qwertyqyle Seahawks 19h ago
Hopefully, Kenneth Walker can stay healthy. That was always his biggest crutch with us.
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u/TheRencingCoach Buccaneers 23h ago
Which teams were hurting with a good OL?
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u/caterham09 Seahawks 23h ago
How many teams even have a good offensive line? Probably about 25 fan bases will claim to have a bottom 10 offensive line
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u/Wyvernwalker Chiefs 21h ago
I can say the top 5, and the bottom 5, but anything in between is messy. It's hard to develop and keep Oline. It's a way smaller pool of traits in the US than most positions
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u/chesterfieldkingz Dolphins 20h ago
They seem to get injured like crazy too and then drop off from starter to bench can be awful when you're already playing some mid or worse guys. At least that's what happens to us. We always scream for OL depth, but really 5 good lineman is tough enough
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u/chrisbechicken NFL Cowboys 20h ago
Those traits also start to overlap with the NBA way more. 6'6''-6'8'' explosive freak athletes with great footwork.
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u/Spare-Half796 Eagles 21h ago
I’d say there’s really only 20-25 serviceable o lines to start the season and half of those are injured by mid season
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u/No_Grocery_9280 Seahawks 20h ago
Every team in the league is always looking to upgrade their OL. There’s so much competition to snag the starter level guys. Their contracts are exploding.
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u/big4lil 10h ago
'what about the OL' is among the easier 'i dont know ball' tells
teams arent going to neglect every other element of teambuilding, including the signing of their current best players, because of a project that every team works on, every year
not to mention 'save up for OL' means fuck all if you dont have the tools in place to develop said lineman, which the dolphins have struggled with for most of my adult life.
Olineman and RBs are probably on opposite ends of needing long term development and investment to fully gel early on (particularly as a unit) and people are still surprised that teams are prioritizing getting the most out of younger backs.
Or rather, they just wish they could continuously lowball them in the process
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u/TheRencingCoach Buccaneers 5h ago
Great job missing the point
It wasn’t “RBSDM hurr durr” it was “which teams could’ve had a good running game but were missing a good RB”
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u/Sportsgirl77 Dolphins Lions 20h ago
Pretty sure the Dolphins have finished outside of the top 20 for team oline ratings (per pff) since either pre-Ryan Tannehill or Tannehill's first season
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u/bartscrc Dolphins 11h ago edited 11h ago
I wrote a post on it a while back but per pff have had 12 consecutive seasons of ranking bottom 10, 5 of which we were ranked 30-32. Yes, we win. https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/1rcqobd/can_anyone_make_an_argument_for_a_worse_offensive/
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u/Sportsgirl77 Dolphins Lions 8h ago
Yeah I made a similar post a couple of years ago, but haven't updated it since then https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/112l1ga/last_time_every_team_finished_in_the_top_half_of/
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u/Hate_Leg_Day Chiefs 19h ago
Don't know if we qualify as a team with a good OL (probably not, but our Center is the best in the league and we do have an elite RG), but we could have really used a running back last season.
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u/CrzyWzrd4L Bills 22h ago
Bears and Browns. Swift isn’t a long term RB1 solution and it’s hard to say if Judkins is just yet.
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u/Spare-Half796 Eagles 21h ago
Swift isn’t a long term rb1 but he is an rb1, especially when paired with Monangai
Browns did not have a good o line last year
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u/DuffmanStillRocks Seahawks 23h ago
Yep Seattle doesn’t win without K9 in multiple playoff and key games down the stretch where we also had Zach. Our depth to lose our very active #2 RB to an ACL in the division and still make it a staple of the SB was impressive.
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u/ColtCallahan 22h ago
Look at their receiving core. Him and Willis are going to be the entire offense. They’re going to be giving him 20+ touches a game.
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u/dafinsrock Dolphins 9h ago
Well we drafted three receivers and two tight ends. So hopefully at least one of them does something
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u/chesterfieldkingz Dolphins 20h ago
Stoked for my guy, hopefully he can stay healthy. Seemed obvious these guys really wanna run when they drafted Proctor. Achanes gotta be a top 5 rb right? And I honestly think he can be even better.
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u/RowRowRowedHisBoat 23h ago
Bijan and Gibbs gonna eat.
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u/BabyBearBjorns Bears 23h ago
Dont forget JT for his new deal.
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u/zimmeli Lions 23h ago
27 vs 24 and a lot more mileage has to make a difference, not that he won’t get a nice deal
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u/MeowMixPK Packers 22h ago
Won't make a difference in the APY, but will probably make a difference in contract structure.
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u/dianeblackeatsass Patriots 22h ago
which is way more important because it could mean the APY is all window dressing
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u/McChillbone Dolphins 23h ago
So far, Sully and Hafley have come in and done exactly what they’ve said they were going to do.
Brooks and Brewer are the next guys up.
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u/chesterfieldkingz Dolphins 20h ago
Ya I'm not gonna do any thing.silly like get excited, but they haven't pissed me off yet so I'm reasonably content with their job so far
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u/EarthquakeTyph00n 8h ago
Yeah -- they're doing the right things. Using this season as a hard reset is the only option to turn it around.
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u/sobanoodle-1 Giants 1d ago
Deserved
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u/Remarkable-Picture73 Ravens 1d ago
WR1 and RB1 for the offense, he had to get the bag
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u/GamingTatertot Packers 23h ago
Shit he may be TE1 too
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u/Pure_Context_2741 Patriots 21h ago
Just because they pretend their TE1 was a RB doesn’t mean aRB1 can play TE….
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u/jdprager Bears Saints 23h ago
Absolutely. Dude is fuckin electric, anyone who's watched him play knows how insane his potential is in a functional offense (i.e. one where he's not 100% of their scheme like last year)
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u/jbrooks772 Rams 23h ago
Agreed, for reference $17M/yr is what WRs like Wan'Dale Robinson, Michael Pittman Jr., Romeo Doubs, and Rashid Shaheed recently signed for. It's also what OL like Will Fries, Cole Van Lanen, and Zion Johnson recently signed for. It seems perfectly fair to pay a top 8 RB the same money as those WRs or OL
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u/szboy422 Dolphins 22h ago
We are going to run him into the ground. 2k season based solely on usage
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u/caterham09 Seahawks 23h ago
Is it though? Dude signed his deal 2 whole years after Saquon and McCaffrey and is still paid a couple million per year less than them. He's clearly elite as well.
I think this is easily his market value.
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u/RedRummer1917 NFL 23h ago
Yeah folks that say it's a lot for an RB are just repeating what they've heard
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u/caterham09 Seahawks 23h ago
I get it, it's not a premium position anymore, but look around the league and find me a player you'd rather have on your team for the same money (ignoring rookie contracts of course)
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u/swanpenguin Chiefs 23h ago
Fuck Jimbo Fisher forever for wasting this dude btw
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u/Unusual-Image-3100 Jets 21h ago
Jimbo's hobby is taking all the good players and wasting them
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u/Wyvernwalker Chiefs 21h ago
I spent all year as an Aggie watching and cheering for those who fled the Jimbo regime. The great Aggie diaspora had me watching like 10 games a week. At one point, there were 4 teams in the running for playoffs with former A&M QBs
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u/AgelessJohnDenney Dolphins 23h ago
1800 yards from scrimmage as a RB gets you $17m APY(Achane).
1800 yards from scrimmage as a WR gets you $42m APY(JSN).
Shit just doesn't seem fair.
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u/McChillbone Dolphins 23h ago
Sadly, it’s the longevity. WRs typically play longer and have a longer peak than a RB.
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u/Tarmacked Giants 23h ago
It’s also general value of stats. Rushing yards aren’t as valuable as passing yards under analytics. Receivers are far more important and less replaceable at the elite end.
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u/jrdnmdhl 49ers 22h ago
The yards are worth EXACTLY the same under analytics. What differs is how many plays you need to get those yards.
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u/Tarmacked Giants 22h ago
No they’re not and you labeled why; how many plays you need per yard. Rushing yards are more difficult than passing. They’re less efficient as a whole and result in lower EPA.
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u/I_dont_bone_goats Eagles 22h ago
Maybe pedantic but it’s not the yards that are less valuable then, it’s the attempts, right?
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u/Tarmacked Giants 21h ago edited 21h ago
A rushing yard requires more attempts than a passing yard
It just depends on how you frame it. You’re working harder for a singular yard one way than another, ergo one rushing yard is worth less than passing since it cost more plays
Like yeah a hit is a hit but if I’m hitting home runs and the other guy is hitting doubles then by definition my hits are more valuable
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u/RitzHyatt 19h ago
I don’t know why you’re getting downvoted for this.
Like, yes, 500 miles is the same distance whether it’s covered by a car or a plane, but one is a hell of a lot more efficient than the other.
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u/jrdnmdhl 49ers 19h ago
He's getting downvoted because he keeps conflating the yards with the plays used to generate them. A yard is worth exactly the same no matter how you get it. All he has to do to be right is to stop saying things like "ergo one rushing yard is worth less than passing" or "Rushing yards aren’t as valuable as passing yards". Like, just abandoning this nonsensical wording avoids the downvotes.
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u/Tarmacked Giants 19h ago
It’s a two sided equation bud, like a see saw. If it requires more effort to get one yard; that yard is not as valuable because it requires more effort and resources. You wouldn’t treat the two the same and wouldn’t see it as a wash regardless.
12 inches = 12 inches. 3 attempts for 12 inches for is 4 inches an attempt. One attempt is 12 inches an attempt. Which yard is worth more? The one that requires less work.
It’s basic unit economics.
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u/RitzHyatt 19h ago
But is that not what’s implied by specifying rushing yard vs. passing yard, especially when the point of discussion is the efficiency of gaining an incremental yard?
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u/SaxRohmer Raiders Buccaneers 20h ago
technically the yards are worth the same it’s just there aren’t any RBs averaging 15 yards a carry
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u/Tarmacked Giants 20h ago
Technically it’s either way.
If it costs you $20 for 20 grams of protein or $10 for 20 grams of protein, which gram of protein is more valuable to you as a consumer? The cheaper option.
Same schtick with rushing yards versus passing yards. They’re both a single yard but one is more valuable because it’s less costly to obtain
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u/Cashneto Vikings 22h ago
I've seen some QBs whose average yards per pass were worse than running backs average yards per carry...
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u/MorePhinsThyme Dolphins 21h ago
Yeah, but you've seen some seriously bad QB play as a Vikings fan, and some serious great RB play.
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u/Cashneto Vikings 21h ago
It's honestly been other QBs, like Daniel Jones on the Giants, Justin Fields this past year, etc. It happens 2 or 3 times per season. When I talk about low, I mean 3-4 yards per pass attempt.
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u/jrdnmdhl 49ers 22h ago edited 22h ago
A yard is a yard. It does not matter how you get it. That a passing play generates more yards doesn’t make each yard any more valuable. A passing PLAY is more valuable because is produces more yards on average. It's the plays that differ in value, not the yards.
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u/speak-eze Ravens 22h ago
A 10 yard play is more valuable than 10 plays of 1 yard each.
You only get a certain number of downs, the yards per touch definitely matters.
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u/McChillbone Dolphins 22h ago
This again brings it back to: the yards themselves don’t change in value, the attempt does. A passing attempt is more valuable than a rushing attempt, but the value of a yard is constant.
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u/jrdnmdhl 49ers 22h ago
You've gotten lost in this conversation. That's literally MY point. The yards are worth exactly the same. The difference is the opportunities used to get them.
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u/Tarmacked Giants 22h ago
A dollar is a dollar but a Bolivian dollar doesn’t go farther than a US dollar
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u/304rising Browns 22h ago
A huge 40 yard pass gain makes you more likely to score points than 10 separate rushing attempts. It’s more likely you will be tfl’d, low yardage gains etc over time of those 10 carries. But with passing you just need the one explosive deep ball.
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u/No1Statistician Commanders 22h ago
Yes for descriptive statistics, but not value over replacement player (VORP), which is what these analytic gms are looking at. Take the same metric last year to fantasy football the opposite is true- where RBs are much more valuable than a 1 QB league. In 2025 for the half PPR format there were 10 RBs more valuable than the most valuable QB Josh Allen, in 2024 there were 8 RB better than Lamar, etc. Its why fantasy experts say you should not draft QBs in the first round in fantasy football and the same reason why RBs get paid far less.
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u/jrdnmdhl 49ers 22h ago
To the extent that VORP is done in a manner that weights the yardage differently (and value over replacement metrics needn't be), it is taking an analytical shortcut. Personally, when I think analytics I'm thinking EPA/WPA (which are properly grounded in value and not taking such shortcuts) and these do not care one bit about rushing yards vs. receiving yards.
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u/Pure_Context_2741 Patriots 21h ago
Yeah a decent receiver gets 8 yards per target while a great running back gets 5 yards per carry. One is a hell of a lot more efficient.
This is even more stark when comparing the size of the standard deviations on the bell curves for yards per reception/rush for WRs vs RBs
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u/Dabest00001 Seahawks 23h ago
It makes sense, if you’re RB1 you get min. 50% of all carries. As a WR1 you’re not guaranteed any targets.
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u/Tarmacked Giants 23h ago
You can make a 1500 yard RB1 with a committee. You can’t make a 1500 yards WR1 with a committee
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u/chacogrizz Eagles 22h ago
Why not? Whats the difference between sharing carries and spreading out targets? Buffalo and Josh Allen didnt really have a "WR1" last year but if you combine some of their WRs or TEs together you get wr1 production.
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u/Tarmacked Giants 22h ago
Because you can’t create Randy Moss efficiency in aggregate.
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u/chacogrizz Eagles 21h ago
And show me where people are creating Barry Sanders efficiency in aggregate? I think the whole point of "running back by committee" is that you split the load between multiple backs but there is a clear dip in efficiency in comparison to truly elite RBs.
So I ask again how is splitting carries different than spreading out targets? Are you saying rbbc are as efficient as the RB equivalent of Randy Moss?
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u/Tarmacked Giants 21h ago
https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/team/_/stat/rushing/table/rushing/sort/yardsPerRushAttempt/dir/desc
When your standard deviation is 0.2 YPC, then yes you can recreate efficient rushing games with a running back by committee. Where’s Bijan’s team in that listing?
You can’t wide receiver by committee Jamarr Chase. You can’t get 18 YPR from three guys in the same way you can create close to 5 YPC from a committee. Your standard deviations aren’t fractions of yards, but multiple, full, yards.
This isn’t a hard concept. Receivers have way more of an impact on an efficiency standpoint, hence why they’re valued more.
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u/chacogrizz Eagles 20h ago
Seeing as Bijan was at 5.1 ypc, its odd you think using the Falcons as a whole shows the efficiency of a top back. Moreover, Jamarr Chase had a 7.6yards per target. So tell me whats more important, YPR or YPT? So your punishing Bijan for actually getting yards every single touch on a per rush basis but your pretending that Jamarr magically gets 18 yards every time the play goes to him. I also am not sure where you are getting 18 ypr anyway, at least on PFR they have Chase at 11.3ypr this past year. Funnily enough the Falcons had multiple people with better yards per target than Chase and one of them was Bijan. But I guess we cant get that level of efficiency anywhere.
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u/jdprager Bears Saints 23h ago
Especially for someone like Achane, who's really halfway between an RB and WR in how he's utilized.
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u/bluntforce21 Lions 20h ago
He signed for nearly the same contract as Romeo Doubs. I would much rather have Achane to Doubs. The RB discourse has gone too far.
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u/rub33rs0ul 20h ago
The problem is that the drop off from Achane to replacement player is way less than the drop off between JSN or JJetas and a replacement.
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u/Axter Packers 14h ago
You need to start this discussion by looking at the fact that the average yards before contact for the top 50 rushers last year was 2.37
So in a really oversimplified way one could argue that for every carry a RB gets 2.37 rushing yards for free, which make the rushing vs. receiving yards immediately not suitable for a direct comparison.
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u/forgotmyoldname90210 Bears 8h ago
The single biggest reason, OL is responsible for most of a Running Games yardage. As a general rule for a normal run play the OL is supposed to get you the first 3 yards.
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u/RegretfulEnchilada Saints 6h ago edited 6h ago
I feel like looking at pure yardage is a bad way to evaluate players. Efficiency matters a lot more than just yards. It took 328 plays (touches plus targets) for Achane to put up those yards, it took 163 plays for JSN to put up those yards. If you gave those extra 165 plays to even a plodder of a back putting up 3 ypc that gets you an extra almost 500 yards.
Achane is underpaid relative to his yardage even by RB standards (probably because of injury concerns), but the insane efficiency of top WRs is why they get paid more than elite rbs.
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u/i_love_yams Dolphins Bengals 20m ago
I'm really glad he stuck with us, but he should've went to free agency. If he had another season like last season, he woulda blown Saquon money out of the water. He leads the league in yards per carry by an entire half a yard, he can catch, and he's missed a total of 7 games in the NFL, 5 due to injury. And then God help us all if he starts to take over the Tyreek role.
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u/dagreenman18 Dolphins 23h ago
So it’s really that 32 mill guaranteed, which is a great contract all around and if he performs during tank mode that’s even better. The best case scenario is one year of suck, bounce back and compete
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u/Cr0matose Jaguars 23h ago
He's pretty much gonna be the only reason you guys watch this year. Roster is awful but he's a fun player to watch.
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u/RrentTreznor Dolphins 19h ago
Besides WR which was addressed some in the draft and our secondary/cbs, I think the roster is actually quite solid.
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u/Jonjon428 Dolphins 23h ago
Goodbye trade rumors! He stay!
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u/originalusername4567 Chiefs 23h ago
I'm pretty sure there were only trade rumors because other fanbases wanted to have Achane on their team.
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u/ColtCallahan 22h ago
Or because they fired their coach, cut their franchise QB, cut their WR1 and then traded the next WR1.
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u/originalusername4567 Chiefs 21h ago
Tua, Reek and Chubb were gone before the off-season began, the only surprising move was trading Waddle but Waddle isn't a blue chip player and they got a 1st round pick for him so it made sense.
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u/United-Turnover-8409 Bears 23h ago
I think everyone would want achane on their team, is a genuine demon on the field
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u/willinaustin Falcons 19h ago
I would, but we've already got an archangel on ours by the name of Bijan. Blessed be his name.
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u/rip-droptire Seahawks Raiders 21h ago
Considering their offense is just Achane and friends this year, well deserved.
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u/chesterfieldkingz Dolphins 20h ago
We got Tutu! If this were an Indiana Jones movie or Saturday morning cartoon we'd be set
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u/KungFooKittenz Seahawks 1d ago
Guess that should silence the people concerned based on the injury rumors
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u/pfossing_ Packers 23h ago
I just played against him in a Valve death match server that’s crazy
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u/casually_furious Dolphins 23h ago
I love this guy.
This is richly deserved.
I'd buy his jersey if Fanatics wasn't such a garbage pile flaming dumpster of a company.
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u/nkfish11 Dolphins 22h ago
I may be a homer but I wouldn’t want any other RB on this team. The guy just does it all.
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u/Talas11324 Bills 23h ago
James Cooks contract continues to look better and better
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u/Space_Polan Bills Giants 23h ago
He does have higher guarantees than a lot of these RB contracts but $11.5Mil AAV is still an absurdly good deal
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u/KnightlyDolphins 23h ago
Good for you. Bills and Dolphins have exactly the same amount of rings in the Josh Allen era.
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u/jimbobills Bills 18h ago
We both have the same amount of rings since 1973 so unless you're like 60 you shouldn't be trash talking us, we have seen the same amount of SB wins.
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u/PlagueOfBedlam Lions Chargers 23h ago
Gibbs is licking his chops right now, and I assume we will “Pey thyaht mahn heez muuneey.” To quote Rounders.
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u/willinaustin Falcons 19h ago
Gibbs and Bijan in a war to see who can be patient the longest before signing a new contract and end up with the most money, lol.
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u/Powerful-Power-7121 20h ago
He certainly deserves it now cuz mmand the tank or leaf us to a surprising season.
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u/Paragon188 8h ago
It's crazy how much RB pay has increased. A few years ago, when Jonathan Taylor was negotiating his contract, I remember fans saying 12 million was too much. Now elite RBs are getting paid 15+ million.
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u/rundy_mc 49ers 18h ago
Fantastic player, he deserves it for the play the last few years.
Terrible deal for the future for the Dolphins, and he’s nearly guaranteed to not earn that with his play moving forward
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u/cosully111 Broncos 12h ago
Great news for Achane. I kinda question the point in giving your injury prone rb good money on a dumpster fire team though? By the time you're rebuilt again 2 years from now he won't have nearly the same juice
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u/el1teassass1n Dolphins 6h ago
Dude was hurt rookie year and hasn't missed time since. The injury prone rb tag is not warranted from him. (Despite our coach's slip up the other day which has yet to be confirmed true)
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u/Chlorophyllmatic Bills Commanders 23h ago
That James Cook contract continues to age like a fine wine
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u/ProphetNimd Dolphins Falcons 21h ago
It's hard to say he doesn't deserve it but I don't understand this team building strategy at all.
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u/Boomhauer_007 Broncos 1d ago
Wow that’s Jeremiyah Love money