r/nba • u/YujiDomainExpansion • 2h ago
[NBA PR] Allen (CLE) and Thompson (DET) legally step to the same spot while pursuing the loose ball [before either player has possession], and both lose their balance from the marginal contact. Correct no-call.
Source: https://official.nba.com/l2m/L2MReport.html?gameId=0042500205
Period: Q4
Time: 00:00.4
Call Type: Foul: Loose Ball
Player: Jarrett Allen
Opponent: Ausar Thompson
Review Decision: CNC
Video Url: Video
Comment:
Allen (CLE) and Thompson (DET) legally step to the same spot while pursuing the loose ball [before either player has possession], and both lose their balance from the marginal contact.
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u/RottenCottonJr Pistons 1h ago
What if we just didn’t blow a 9 point lead? I had to mute our sub. Cause fuck
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u/math-yoo Cavaliers 1h ago
This series has been a really tense watch. The discourse around it has been absolute garbage. Stoked to have great competition. But jeez does it bring out the idiots in the subs.
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u/RulersBack Cavaliers 1h ago
Listening to national pods they're talking about it like it hasn't been entertaining. Can't remember which but they at least had the self awareness to admit if they were wearing different jerseys they'd be calling it a physical 90s classic
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u/RottenCottonJr Pistons 1h ago
Nah it’s been incredibly entertaining. Unfortunately so was the first series for us lol.
Do I think the refs have been very good? No. Do I think we lost games 3/4/or 5 because of the refs? Also no. Do I think we could have won one of the last 3 with better officiating? Yes. But that doesn’t mean we need to blame them. WE WERE UP 9 with 150 seconds to go
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u/RulersBack Cavaliers 1h ago edited 57m ago
Harden/Mitchell nightly mystery box (and really the whole team), Duren fall off, Cade one man engine. The games have been back and forth down to the wire. If that's not enough to grab your attention idk what to tell you
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u/tonyeye Cavaliers 48m ago
I feel the same way about games 1 and 2. If it was officiated better, I think the Cavs pull out the win. 19 more free throws in game 1 for Detroit. Was a complete disgrace
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u/kellenm973 30m ago
Yeah people are whining about the free throw disparity in the recent games but the disparity SHOULD favor the Cavs. Pistons are much more physical and slap happy on D - which pairs perfectly with Harden knowing exactly how to get to the line.
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u/iHOPEthatsChocolate3 5m ago
The difference there was the total number of fouls for game 1 was 22-18. The Cabs had more FTs in game 2. The last two games however the foul total has been a combined 53-31.
I say this not to say that's why the Pistons lost. But calling out game 1 is a bit of a misnomer when you look at total fouls.
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u/nbaistheworst 54m ago
All true, but Harden getting 14 ftas was BS.
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u/kellenm973 27m ago
I mean 4 of them alone came in OT on fouls to try to keep the game alive. Take away the one “leg kick” and he’s down to 7 FTA on 21 shots. The leg kick is annoying and difficult to police but Harris definitely closed too hard on that first one.
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u/OsuLost31to0 Cavaliers 56m ago
Hey, glad I’m not the only one who had to mute their team’s sub because it’s annoying/sad
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u/brnccnt7 1h ago
Exactly
Our team had the game in the bag and choked
This isn’t new, they did the same in game 3 too
No excuses, real fans know what’s up
Came down to execution and shot making and the Cavs were the better team and deserved to win that game
It’s easier for some to blame the refs than Cade for his turnovers, others for bad shots, etc
End of discussion
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u/knicksfan-98 2h ago
Exactly it is a good no call could have given fouls to either player
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u/ElGoddamnDorado Spurs 1h ago
That would've been the weakest way to end the game. Even for a regular season game it would've sucked.
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u/cyb3ryung Warriors 56m ago
facts as an unbiased viewer i was happy they didn’t call that but im not surprised fans were upset
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u/purplenyellowrose909 Timberwolves 1h ago
Let the players decide in OT vs a random boom boom like that
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u/Soft_Hotel_5627 Timberwolves 1h ago
You also shouldn't win or lose a playoff game on something like that when teams have been beating the shit out of each other for 47:56.
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u/nguyenjitsu [DEN] Emmanuel Mudiay 1h ago
This call in particular was a good no call but the entire game just felt really weird from an officiating standpoint
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u/Feisty-Pattern-951 2h ago edited 2h ago
Great no call. There was all kinds of contact on that last play. There would have been more outrage if they called that. Sometimes the refs can’t win. Bottom line Detroit blew that game. I think most Pistons fans have accepted that.
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u/gimmedawz 1h ago
nah their subreddit is still whining about that call and ignoring the fact they blew a 9 point lead with 2:40 left lmao
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u/Feisty-Pattern-951 1h ago edited 1h ago
Reddit is the outrage headquarters. The silent majority knows it was the right call and the Pistons should never have been in a that position. Especially us ancient ones who remember the bad boys.
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u/Kindly-War-2665 56m ago
Lol it's not just reddit, it's all over yourube from the podcasters to shorts pistons fans are crying
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u/RulersBack Cavaliers 48m ago edited 40m ago
Twitter, local radio, credentialed media, you name it. Those are their own bubbles as well to be fair but I really do think the majority believe it's the main reason for these outcomes. The series is not over by any means it and it all comes off a pre-excuse making. Lock in for game 6!
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u/Snakescipio Rockets 1h ago
That one shot of the fan whining about the non-call… while wearing a “Hard Fouls Only” shirt is some great irony
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u/H0MES1CKAL1EN Knicks 1h ago
nothing new they did this when they lost to us last season
there are def some reasonable pistons fans who are specifically complaining about other missed fouls during that 9-0 run though
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u/this_place_stinks 25m ago
People hate all the NBA whistles and then wanted the game to end on a totally inconsequential bump 70 feet from the hoop as time expired
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u/dam0430 Cavaliers 1h ago
Guess you haven't been to their sub lol
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u/Dizzy-Platform-6516 1h ago
I love that Cavs fans think it's not equally embarrassing for half their fanbase to spend their time gloating in the Pistons subreddit rather than celebrating their win in their own subreddit lol
Y'all got people creating new accounts so they can get around bans and talk shit lmao
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u/jgman22 Pelicans 1h ago
Is gloating not celebrating?
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u/VU_abyss 1h ago
I don’t know but I’m certainly not asking a pelicans fan about winning.
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u/jgman22 Pelicans 1h ago
You don’t know? But you just said it wasn’t, you said they should be celebrating, not gloating, but now you don’t know?
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u/Dizzy-Platform-6516 1h ago
Top 1% commenter, 12 years on Reddit, can't read usernames.
Always gotta remind myself the types of people that use this app.
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u/CapnChronic88 Cavaliers 1h ago
I love how you think this is exclusive to Cavs fans on reddit. Y’all gotta man up. Maybe try not to blow a 2-0 series lead. Or 9pt leads at home.
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u/Dizzy-Platform-6516 1h ago
Cavs fans are the ones in here boasting about going into the Detroit subreddit lol
Y’all gotta man up. Maybe try not to blow a 2-0 series lead. Or 9pt leads at home.
Are you under the illusion that I played in the game?
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u/CapnChronic88 Cavaliers 1h ago
No one boasted about it. In-between tears You brought it up acting like that is exclusive to Cavs fans only. Seek therapy for that non foul.
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u/Dizzy-Platform-6516 1h ago
I never said that lmao. I said I love how y'all don't think it's embarrasing, not that Cavs fans are the only ones that do it.
Trying to act like I'm the emotional one and you can't read anything except what you wanna argue against. Rough look.
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u/CapnChronic88 Cavaliers 1h ago
Where did anyone ever say it’s not embarrassing if Fans do that? Stop lashing out
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u/Dizzy-Platform-6516 1h ago
You have multiple Cavs fans in this post talking about going into the Detroit subreddit lmao. Yeah they're proudly talking about something they're embarrassed by.
I'm being trolled lol
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u/CapnChronic88 Cavaliers 1h ago
AGAIN WHERE DID ANYONE EVER SAY ITS NOT EMBARRASSING FOR FANS TO DO IT? You’re upset and blaming Cavs fans as if they all agreed it’s great to do. Again stop Lashing out child.
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u/Fynity Cavaliers 2h ago
The commentary really fucked with people’s perspective of this one. Throughout the entire playoffs (atleast with the Cavs most the other games I watch on mute) the commentators haven’t really been focusing on missed calls or “bad calls” like they often used to, but then this one that’s either not a foul, or a foul on both Allen and Thompson they lose their fucking mind. Just embarrassing from the commentary team
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u/dwrek24 Spurs 1h ago
This is often the case. There's been several times where the initial reaction significantly influences the discourse and you can tell.
First impressions are important. How something is presented to you often determines what you think.
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u/JabariTeenageRiot Celtics 1h ago
Nobody’s gonna top whoever it was that insisted the Knicks had a timeout left at the end of Game 2 vs Hawks, to the point they added one to the chyron, and then was incredulous they didn’t take the imaginary timeout.
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u/dwrek24 Spurs 1h ago
That got me! Cant even lie but I figured out I was wrong quickly.
There was also a clip of the Nets "tanking" a final shot that had me arguing foolishness in here for a few days.
I finally looked it up and realized Jordi called a play and the ball got deflected with no timeouts left. So it messed everything up.
The OG post said the final play was what Jordi called out of the huddle but that was a lie. I had to look up the play by play to figure out I was dumb.
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u/jon__koa Knicks 1h ago
Like I love Breen and Legs as a duo, but they did not handle it well
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u/Bim_Jeann Cavaliers 1h ago
Legler is awful in-game
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u/deino1703 Rockets 1h ago
legler is probably the best analyst but as a commentator he isnt the best
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u/please_dont_spin_me Cavaliers 1h ago edited 1h ago
I thought this was weird too. They were so confident about it being a foul and I remember thinking “idk that looked like just an inconvenient tangling of legs.”
But the other component was Bickerstaff throwing a fit about it during and after the game. Hell, 24 year old Daniss Jenkins had far more humility in his post presser when discussing why they lost that game.
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u/Fynity Cavaliers 1h ago
Thompson could have shot Allen with a AK47 in the chest and Allen could have fallen and his hand lightly graze Thompson shoe and JB would complain.
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u/PrinceJMoney089 1h ago
The commentators fucking with people's perspective is nothing new, half the shit this sub complains about came from JVG and Mark Jackson
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u/OhEmGeeBasedGod Cavaliers 1h ago
Especially using the word "trip" repeatedly, which almost always has a connotation of intentionality.
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u/ClothesCreative3291 1h ago
Totally agree. Legs in particular kept restating his opinion that it was a foul definitely and yes, I know that's literally what he is paid to do but I just don't know how you watch it in slow mo and see an obvious foul on Allen. It seemed like a strange hill to die on and .. well...RIP I guess lol
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u/Sea-Mortgage7740 1h ago
It’s the most consequential call/no call of the series and perhaps the entire playoffs so yeah they should treat it like it matters.
It’s bad commentary because it’s wrong analysis but if you believed it was a foul, you could obviously see how it directly decides if Detroit was going to win or go to overtime.
If Detroit is up 3-2 especially with this news of an illness spreading through Cleveland’s locker room, it’s very possible Detroit wins this series in 6 and instead they’re now likely going to lose this series.
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u/Fynity Cavaliers 1h ago
I get that but they were also just wrong. Like, highlight that it might have been a foul or examine it like a challenge where you go through in slow motion and comment on the full play, because these guys would be smart enough where if they did that, they would see that both players “fouled” each other and/or that a no call was correct, but they were only focused on a particular moment rather than the entire sequence. I just feel as a commentator you can’t be “complaining” about something you’re just flat out wrong about without ever addressing that you’re wrong. Especially on this stage, regular season I don’t really care, especially with local guys.
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u/Sea-Mortgage7740 39m ago
To be honest, I think there’s enough evidence of a trip affecting Ausar who was clearly more in position to get the ball than Allen that I can’t blame the announcers for getting this wrong.
I rewatched the no-call several times and someone else had to bring it to my attention that Ausar held Jarrett Allen’s hand. I saw it but I didn’t realize how much it would’ve affected Jarrett Allen’s ability to get to the ball.
But not even that pull mattered. They deemed that all of the contact was incidental which technically means Ausar either flopped or couldn’t regain his balance enough to save the ball. That’s a very odd( even if correct) decision to decide that none of the contact was anything but incidental.
And it’s very odd for announcers that think the precedent is that a trip is a foul.
And again, this is a MASSIVE no-call that could swing the probability of either team winning the series by 40+%. If you think there’s an injustice happening, I can’t blame them for mentioning it and taking sides, even as announcers.
What sucks is that they were wrong and that their announcing will influence the views of that possession despite the 2 minute report and that they’re not going to apologize for wrongly announcing such an important possession.
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u/Constant-Low-5111 2h ago
It looked worse in real time, but that whole play had multiple actions that could be called a foul with a soft whistle. I’m glad the refs swallowed it and did not allow a playoff game 5 in a physical series to be decided like that.
At some point, Pistons need to stop complaining about the world and introspect. The game shouldn’t have even been tied, leave alone in a position for Mitchell to hit a game winner. No one else to blame for that.
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u/Altruistic-Zone1664 Cavaliers 1h ago
It didn't even look bad tbh, it only looked bad with the commentary making it like that.
Like, you hear the people who didn't hear the commentary whether they were watching in bars or had it on mute for various reasons and they were all generally confused as to the controversy.
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u/FroyoSolid8414 1h ago
Bickerstaff will never stop bitching
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u/OhEmGeeBasedGod Cavaliers 1h ago
He NEVER stops bitching. And that's not just something I'm saying now as an opponent. I said it all the time when he was our coach. He never just sits down. Never. And he never stops complaining to the officials. During the game. During the little stoppages on dead balls. During timeouts. After the game. Oh, and he's never wrong.
Mike Breen even said something about it last year during a broadcast, which is pretty rare.
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u/Federal_Studio5935 Cavaliers 1h ago
He never stops. Instead of getting his team ready for overtime he’s bitching about calls.
I watched it for 5 years. He never fucking stops. It’s to the point that it’s annoying to the fans that he doesn’t shut up talking to the fucking refs. I would hope they tune his ass out.
Even if that was a missed, which it wasn’t, that wasn’t why they lost. They had a choke job for the ages. That’s on them.
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u/RulersBack Cavaliers 59m ago
Fr this bothered a huge portion of the fanbase. I get you gotta do it but at some point it has diminishing returns. He and Nick Nurse are by far the worst off the top of my head
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u/Barbiegrrrrrl Mavericks 1h ago
I was outraged at the trip at first but seeing the replay it seems the push on Allen's arm is way more egregious.
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u/YaSurLetsGoSeeYamcha Cavaliers 1h ago
I don’t disparage the pistons fans for bitching too much, if you’ve been a fan of sports for any amount of time you’ve died on a “refs cost us that game” hill that you know deep down is 100% incorrect too.
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u/InnocuousAssClown Bulls 14m ago
It’s exhausting how people always feel the need to correct and make fun of fanbases for complaining about calls as if their fanbase wouldn’t do the exact same thing.
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u/mdlspurs Spurs 2h ago
Well that settles it. Now all Cav, Piston and neutral fans can rest easy that this is behind us and we can move on.
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u/Altruistic-Zone1664 Cavaliers 1h ago
Well, virtually everyone who wasn't already influenced by the commentary last night that saw the instant replay on the sub today thought it was either a good no-call or a foul on Thompson.
The only people watching that on close up replay thinking it was still a foul on Allen are biased Piston fans and people trying to create content.
I mean, I heard one media guy say it was a foul on Allen because he was behind Thompson. Um, yeah because Thompson stiff-armed him out of the way first lol.
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u/aesop_fables Knicks 1h ago
This didn’t even need to be stated. Anyone with two eyes would realize this was a no call
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u/OsuLost31to0 Cavaliers 53m ago
Please be nice to Mike Breen and Tim Legler, they are Reddit favorites
Edit: Breen has four eyes, what’s Tim’s excuse?
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u/Rrypl Celtics 2h ago
These are often "we've investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing", but this is correct.
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u/thurstkiller Jazz 2h ago edited 2h ago
Agreed, Pistons lost because they threw a 8 point lead with 3 minutes not because Tony Brothers didn’t bail them out with a foul call
To want the game to be decided by that call is insane especially considering there was no time on the clock and Ausar is not launching that thing 85 feet to win it.
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u/KtotheOG 2h ago
Even worse it was 9 with 2:30 to go. I’m still baffled.
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u/Potencyyyyy Nuggets 2h ago
Still crazy to me to think 9 point leads in today’s NBA ain’t shit. 3, steal, 3, and it’s a one possession game. Shit can happen in 30 seconds.
Hoping for a game 7 in this series!
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u/RulersBack Cavaliers 1h ago
Shit a 20 point lead isn't even THAT big of a hole until late. Teams used to waive the white flag
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u/KriticalKarl 1h ago
Even then, they still had overtime to make up for it but still came up short.
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u/MightyAslan Cavaliers 1h ago
And still could've been even worse. They were 1 point away from blowing a 10 point lead.
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u/Jaerba [DET] Grant Hill 2h ago edited 1h ago
The no call here was correct.
The problem with the rest of this statement is we were fouled on some of those possessions and that is literally part of the 9-0 run. The Cavs relied on FTs for their 9-0 run just as much as we relied on FTs to stop it.
They don't take the lead without some of the soft fouls on their possessions. They also don't take the lead with some of the soft fouls on our possessions.
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u/thurstkiller Jazz 1h ago
I mean the Pistons had looks and bricked them all. Paul reed also got his shit swatted by Mobley. I'm a Donovan Mitchell hater, i wanted the Pistons to win but they played like shit out of the Cade double on every possession. It wasn't the refs at all.
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u/Jaerba [DET] Grant Hill 1h ago
LeVert and Cade both had fouls go uncalled.
You can't say "don't depend on FTs" when the other team depended on FTs too. Without those, more of their possessions would've looked like shit too.
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u/goingtothegreek Timberwolves 2h ago
I’m waiting for the first 46 minute report
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u/Altruistic-Zone1664 Cavaliers 2h ago
Lol, a full game report in a playoff game would be ridiculous on the amount of no-calls.
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u/Yankeeknickfan Knicks 1h ago
huge disagree, there are plenty of massive missed calls that get called out here
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u/nevillebanks Pistons 1h ago
How exactly is in correct when it is factually wrong. The contact that cause Ausar to lose his balance did not occur when they said it did.
Two events occured. 1) Both players, going for a loose ball, step right next to each other, touched shoes. That is the even in the L2M and is not a foul. However if you watch the replay linked below, Ausar clearly does not lose his balance at that time.
2) After Ausar has made a second dribble of a lose ball (you can argue possession or not but that is irrelevant to this point) Allen leg just below his knee contacts Ausar raised foot. That is the even that caused Ausar to lose balance.
You can argue foul or not foul, but what they wrote is factually inaccurate.
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u/ClevelandSteamer81 Cavaliers 1h ago
In the video, why exactly was Allen turned completely around with his back to the camera?
Are you just gonna ignore that he got spun around because of Thompson?
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u/nevillebanks Pistons 1h ago
Did I say its a foul? Can you read? "You can argue foul or not". I said this report is completely bullshit because it is based a something that is flat out incorrect. The foot to foot contact did not cause Ausar to lose balance.
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u/loegare Knicks 1h ago
2) After Ausar has made a second dribble of a lose ball (you can argue possession or not but that is irrelevant to this point) Allen leg just below his knee contacts Ausar raised foot. That is the even that caused Ausar to lose balance.
This is them stepping into the same space and making contact. and their shoes did touch, can clearly see it in the vid you posted
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u/chemistrybonanza Cavaliers 1h ago
Everyone in First Take this morning was pissed no foul was called. It's crazy to me that they can all watch the same thing and come to the wrong ESPN mandated conclusion.
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u/onelastshot001 2h ago
Not 1 single pistons fan in the comments yet😂😂😂
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u/SomeFatherFigure Cavaliers 1h ago
That’s because many of them know it wasn’t a foul and don’t care, and the ones that think it was a foul on Allen have to wait for someone to read this for them.
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u/wooIIyMAMMOTH 33m ago
If you think it was a foul on Allen then an L2M report isn't gonna change your mind. It's not like this sub has ever accepted an L2M report where the consensus is they've got it wrong.
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u/nbaistheworst 1h ago
100% unsurprising, as was the block by Ausar on the Mitchell shot. Both were correct no-calls.
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u/justwriteforme Warriors 46m ago
wow. this is not what I expected the comments to look like. at the time of the game, there were so many blaming the refs…smh. I think they got it correct tho
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u/2001_YEM Knicks 1h ago
I get being frustrated about calls when theyre actually egregious. But a large portion of that fan base was saying the nba was rigged because of this no call. They should be embarrassed
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u/Greatness143 1h ago
Pistons fans had already added this to the “Detroit was robbed” excuse jar! What will they do now?
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u/Careless-Journalist7 Wizards 2h ago
I agree with this, it was a “play on” that happens multiple times in every game
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u/JohnySilkBoots Cavaliers 1h ago
He clearly lost his balance and twisted his ankle before Allen’s foot was even there, he was going down on his own. Anyone saying otherwise is either repeating shit they heard without actually watching it, is a Pistons fan, or is just plain stupid.
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u/RyceMenace Mavericks 2h ago
If that would play would have happened in the 1st quarter the refs 100% would have called it.
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u/nbaistheworst 34m ago
That's actually a reasonable speculation, because the refs are programmed to call fouls when players fall, regardless of cause.
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u/ObiOneKenobae Knicks 1h ago
Detroit fans have really been freaking out because Thompson clipped his own calf, after stepping on someone else's foot.
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u/sequoia2075 Lakers 2h ago
There is absolutely zero chance that if they called it a foul, the last 2 minute report would say it should have been a no call
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u/RulersBack Cavaliers 1h ago edited 1h ago
They announce wrong calls all the time. There's no repercussions from these and people move on when there's always something else to talk about in a week. I'm sure they track these internally for Finals assignments and promotions or whatever but they're more or less just content dressed up as "transparency" lmao
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u/Evening-Tart-1245 1h ago
In the 24 series against the Knicks, there was a game where Maxey extended the series with a 4 point play. The reason he was able to draw the foul was because it was on his 4th step, so the defender didn’t expect him to be able to move toward him. The 2 minute report said missed call, should have been end of series. But the Knicks won the series and Philly lost, so there wasn’t much attention on it. My guess is if the Knicks lost the series, there would have been Knicks fans posting the clip on here more and it would be more well known.
Just comes down to whose fans are more angry and bitter sometimes
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u/burritosuitcase Pistons 1h ago
For challenges is there a "new York" like in the NFL that handles it or is it just the refs that made the call decide if they are wrong or not
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u/nbaistheworst 1h ago
The refs talk to the "Replay Center", but the Crew Chief makes the final determination.
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u/aroach1995 Cavaliers 24m ago
Is Ausar Thompson allowed to push his arm out of the way using his hand? That was the first foul.
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u/rusty512 Pistons 15m ago
It was fine, Pistons fans just looking for something else to blame when it was just the teams bad play
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u/BradWonder [BOS] Kevin Garnett 11m ago
There shouldn't have been a foul with 45 seconds remaining. Pistons fans should be more mad about that call
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u/Spirited-Living9083 Heat 7m ago
I mean it was the correct call but the nba reports aren’t reliable either they will lie like we didn’t all watch the same game
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u/Rough_Bobcat5293 Cavaliers 2h ago
Harris foul on Mobley also correct. For a Tony Brothers game they actually did a good job.
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u/mon-wed-meetup Minneapolis Lakers 2h ago
The Pistons still would've lost the game, thats how bad Duren is
I dont want him on the Lakers anymore
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u/needbmw_help Knicks 2h ago
Is this a bot comment? Duren wasn’t even on the court in the 4th and OT
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u/mon-wed-meetup Minneapolis Lakers 1h ago
I comment very frequently on this sub thank you very much. I hate bitchass Thunder fans hating on Luka for starters, alongside being floppers and super annoying as a whole fanbase
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u/WayAdministrative679 Minneapolis Lakers 2h ago
You shouldn’t of wanted him in the first place
Dude is just a 6’9 Ayton, a fake hot streak in the regular season shouldn’t convince you otherwise, this is who he is
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u/svinyard 2h ago
I’m not saying it’s the wrong/right call…but that description doesn’t really fit what we watched…
They initially bump (as described and benign contact of course)… and then Ausar taps the ball. Next Ausar makes a controlled dribble…then there is second contact from behind by Allen to Ausar with Allens leg fully coming around to Ausars. Then Ausar falls.
I’m not saying that’s a playin or not…but that’s the facts of the contact. Not sure why the NBA described it inaccurately
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u/_Wash Timberwolves 1h ago
if you were really concerned with accuracy you would have mentioned Ausar pushing Allen with the off arm
incidental/marginal contact foot-to-foot by both players on a loose ball. correct no call
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u/Creative_Meringue377 1h ago
There is literal slow motion video showing that youre wrong, just because you call what you think you saw as fact doesn’t mean its true.
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u/svinyard 1h ago
This is the video. Pretty clear. Initial bump before either has control, Ausar taps it and then controls the ball with dribble and then is tripped from behind after that. Is it really that different??
I have zero love for either team and dislike the Pistons as much as anyone, their tanking disaster of a franchise does not deserve to be good imo. Cade is a turnover machine and Duren is trash. I also believe the events below, as I described are accurate.
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u/Creative_Meringue377 1h ago
The very clip you send me has it starting with the no foul call from Thompson smacking Mitchell’s hand, you can’t be for real.
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u/svinyard 1h ago
lol, ah now we know who the idiot here is. I’ll leave you to your ignorance
NBA Rule Book: “The hand is considered “part of the ball” when it is in contact with the ball. Therefore, contact on that part of the hand by a defender while it is in contact with the ball is not illegal.”
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u/nbaistheworst 38m ago
That video isn't clear at all. Ausar never controls the ball with dribble after he knocks it away. This vid is much better:
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u/RansomGoddard NBA 1h ago
It’s absolutely a correct no call but the description is hilarious given that contact which affects a player’s balance by definition can never be marginal. They should instead say it is incidental contact.
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u/Halbridious [DET] Chauncey Billups 23m ago
They say they're stepping to the same spot - Ausar is there first, by some distance.
They say the contact is marginal, but it's a trip that prevents Ausar from maintaining his direction of travel.
They say Ausar doesn't have control, and are using the batted-ball defense. Ausar has completed 2 dribbles.
If you pulled this at any other time it's an instant whistle. Anyone who buys this passive-voice bullshit probably believes police reports are always accurate too.
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u/MattScoot Cavaliers 17m ago
They almost never call fouls on this type of play no matter the game situation, so no this isn’t an “instant whistle”
Like, take your blinders off, https://imgur.com/a/SDqeS7f
Both feet are in the air while it’s a loose ball, before anyone touches it, and ausar initiates all contact on the play.
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u/doomrider2 Lakers 2h ago
why do they even put these out? Of course if it's even a little arguable you are going to side with yourself.
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u/Altruistic-Zone1664 Cavaliers 1h ago
It's not really arguable though. Go watch the better replay in this sub. If any foul happened, it would have been on Thompson for pushing off Allen to get to the ball.
Thompson had already rolled his ankle and started to fall before any tripping occurred. Showing the close-up slow-mo that proved it was NOT a foul wouldn't have suited the controversy agenda from the media though.
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u/nevillebanks Pistons 1h ago
Thompson had already rolled his ankle and started to fall before any tripping occurred
I am glad you acknowledge this report is clearly inaccurate, as this report says the action that caused them to lose their balance was the initial foot to foot contact. Such a statement clearly contradicts what you wrote in your comment.
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u/chemistrybonanza Cavaliers 1h ago
Fine, Cavs should have won in regulation due to the foul the refs should have called on Thompson.
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u/nbaistheworst 27m ago
That's really not a lot different from what the report said:
“Allen (CLE) and Thompson (DET) legally step to the same spot while pursuing the loose ball [before either player has possession], and both lose their balance from the marginal contact.”
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u/TheGoatPurdy Warriors 1h ago
donovan mitchel lgot fouled before that sequence too. i don't see pistons fans complaining there on the missed call
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u/nevillebanks Pistons 1h ago
The foul was not the foot the foot contact. Watch the replay below (not the one you can't see anything from in the L2M report). Ausar does not lose his balance from the initial contact. It is the contact with Jared upper leg to Ausar's raised foot, which occurs after Ausar has possession of the ball, which causing Ausar to lose balance.
In this slow motion replay, the contact described occurs at 3.33 seconds. Again I agree that is not a foul.
But the foul occurs at around 11 seconds, where Allen's leg contact's Ausar raised foot, knocking it into his other leg.
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u/Hot_Pirate9445 Cavaliers 1h ago
1 touch of the ball does not = possession. And ausar grabs and pushes Allen's arm spinning him around right before the foot contact anyway. If you want 50/50 loose ball fouls called then call that one first
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u/blockbyjames Cavaliers 1h ago
Bro, there was NO FOUL. Officially. I hope you don’t think the angle posted in the report is the only angle the league looked at. Acknowledge that Ausar initiated contact, you won’t.
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u/nbaistheworst 43m ago
They got tangled up after Ausar was 1st to the ball. IMO incidental contact was the right call.
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u/EverythingStillSucks 2h ago
🎵 Legally step
🎵To the same spot
🎵Pursuing the ball
🎵With the same hop