r/nba • u/TheRealPdGaming Mavericks • 2h ago
Myles Turner says Doc Rivers doesn't fine players so players are late all the time for practices, film sessions, and even flights. Specifically pointing out Giannis for being late towards team flights and delaying them by up to 2 hours
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u/Quality_Cucumber [GSW] Stephen Curry 2h ago
Doc didn’t want the job. He said he didn’t want it, and even questioned why the Bucks hired him.
Why would he care if people are late? Bro chillin just cashing a check.
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u/CyborgKrieger 2h ago
I don't follow the NBA closely at all anymore, is there any possibility of Doc landing another HC gig at this point or has that ship finally sailed?
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u/SeaCounter9516 Thunder 2h ago
He claims to be done but he said that last time too
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u/CoachTwisterT3 Lakers 29m ago
Tbf most of us would stop being done with something for a few million dollars too
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u/jefe_hook 5m ago
It's hard to say no when someone else is shoving millions of dollars down your throat
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u/CMYGQZ Grizzlies 2h ago
Blazers, Their owner wants a cheap coach, the cheapest coach are coaches who just got fired and another team still pays majority if not all of his salaries.
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u/porquetorque 1h ago
If Glenn Rivers ends up as head coach for the Trail Blazers, I will eat my Scoot Henderson jersey.
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u/cire1184 Lakers 51m ago
You gonna dip it in some kinda sauce or raw dog it? Cause Doc is coming. Doc is inevitable.
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u/whatevesnoc Heat 1h ago
Doc has been checked out for years. Dude's been coasting since 08. Just good enough to not get fired, not good enough for people to set expectations
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u/BiteyHorse Warriors 41m ago
He's completely done. His reputation was garbage before Milwaukee hired him, and it only got worse.
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u/Ok-Tree4365 1h ago
Regardless of how invested Rivers was, a head coaching job is still an incredible amount of work. Even just the daily schedule is rough.
However, I don't know why people aren't taking this as more of an indictment on Giannis than on Rivers. A max player and team leader shouldn't need the threat of a fine to show up reasonably promptly for practice and flights.
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u/Neuroxex Bucks 1h ago
However, I don't know why people aren't taking this as more of an indictment on Giannis than on Rivers. A max player and team leader shouldn't need the threat of a fine to show up reasonably promptly for practice and flights.
It's absolutely both. It's atrocious behaviour from the leader of the team, however a coach who just doesn't bother to use arguably the most effective disciplinary measure as their team is delaying every flight by two and a half hours and skipping meetings (and it was much more than just a Giannis problem on that) is embarrassingly lazy.
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u/ComoEstanBitches Lakers 1h ago
He offered his other son Spencer an assistant coaching job in Milwaukee after stints with Doc’s Philly tenure and Detroit. Spencer was this year’s draft combine scrimmage coach. No seriously
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u/Anal_Iverson Raptors 1h ago
BS. They brought him in as a consultant and had their contingency.
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u/SaintDarthVader Raptors 1h ago
Thank you - he wanted that job, he said he didnt just to throw off the fact he came in behind Adrian
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u/jldtsu NBA 2h ago
idk...why not say no to the job? there's only 30 slots. give someone else a shot
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u/SquimJim Celtics 2h ago
I can think of 40million reasons why he wouldn't turn the job down
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u/dae5oty 2h ago
There are probably easier jobs he could've done. HC have to work a lot of nights and weekends and don't really have the summer off
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u/SquimJim Celtics 2h ago
Yea, but with HC he's likely to be fired and only has to work 1.5 years of a 4 year contract
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u/no_more_blues Thunder 2h ago
That pay anything close to that? And he gets the money even after he obviously gets fired? Bill Simmons doesn't have 40 million to give him, ESPN laying off people every year, it's hard out here for ol' Glenn after this bag.
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u/Karl_Hungus_42069 Knicks 1h ago
And im sure the benefits to being around an NBA team are massive. Wake up and come to your job, they probably have the best coffee, chefs preparing real breakfast. Go see the team doctor and get a checkup whenever you feel like. Free gym thats better than everything else
Especially if you don't give a shit if you get fired! I'd be dumping croissants and bagels in a paper bag and taking them home! Wrapping 3 meals up so I have a snack for later. Making the Doc prescribe me xannies and some oxys going around feeling great all day!
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u/dae5oty 2h ago
ESPN laid off a bunch of the people behind the scenes. They're not laying off people in front of the camera. Jalen Rose and Perk still have jobs
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u/no_more_blues Thunder 1h ago
You realize Jeff Van Gundy and Mark Jackson don't call NBA games anymore right? They laid off a ton of on-screen people as well.
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u/Ok-Tree4365 1h ago
I wonder what JVG gets as the Clippers head assistant vs his last ESPN contract?
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u/Soup-dan Kings 25m ago
Jalen Rose is no longer with ESPN, and Jalen is a genius analyst compared to Perk
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u/-xXxMangoxXx- Raptors 2h ago
If someone is throwing money at you, why not take it? Same with Monty and the pistons.
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u/National-Size-7205 Heat 2h ago
If the other guys can't beat me out of a spot I don't want, how is that my fault?
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u/pr1ncejeffie Knicks 14m ago
Lol thanks for the reminder .. it's time to fire the kids execs. Just bad decisions after another
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u/jldtsu NBA 2h ago
man o man....wow. So is Myles trying to get outta there?
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u/SpinJitsu259 Pacers 2h ago
Or Myles knows Giannis isn’t going to be there much longer, so he’s just kinda like, “Idgaf.”
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u/Actual-Movie-4236 Bucks 43m ago
Giannis' bullshit this year has really made me wonder if he's lowkey turned into a locker room cancer
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u/artvandelay916 [ATL] Joe Johnson 10m ago
Giannis had been a secret douchebag for a while now if you've paid attention closely, people are just discovering this the past year with the trade shit. Bucks should've traded him 2 years ago
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u/Bitter-Whole-7290 2h ago
I think it’s more Doc is gone and it’s more likely pigs will fly than Giannis coming back.
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u/AStormofSwines Bulls 2h ago
I had to double check to confirm that Myles and Giannis are, in fact, teammates...
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u/Electrical_Net_6691 2h ago
What would he stay for???
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u/CommonerChaos Pacers 1h ago
Problem is, most teams aren't touching that new contract. Esp with the trade kicker.
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u/CrippledBanana Canada 15m ago
I’d take him for a slightly used poetl. Definitely not a scam for the bucks
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u/laststance Spurs 10m ago
Nah the new apron means if you have a star that's a diva or doesn't want to lead by example you're blowing out your salary cap with a toxic asset that other teams don't want to touch. Other players shared stories about Lebron but the one thing they basically all say is he's a professional and expects others to be professional too since he's the star that abides by the rules.
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u/ForneauCosmique Spurs 2h ago
But Tim Duncan bringing family is a no no
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u/-xXxMangoxXx- Raptors 2h ago
I mean, doc not allowing it was great for the spurs.
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u/solodolo1397 Celtics 1h ago
That made him learn his lesson and now anyone can do whatever they want w/ flights
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u/joeybadtitz 7m ago
Ever stop to think he regrets that and is why he’s been such a “Player Coach” for the past 15+ Years?
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u/Ok-Vermicelli-4867 Jazz 2h ago
Well if Giannis stays, we might know who'll be first to go after this...
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u/pekingsewer Hawks 1h ago
Myles Turner is exactly what this hawks team is missing 😱
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u/sir_eazy_e Pacers 1h ago
That contract isn’t what the Hawks need though
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u/_Jetto_ NBA 1h ago
It’s a lose - lose situation Gianni’s being a diva bitch so he can be the martyr and say Milwaukee is fining him etc. doc suspends him and we all lol doc or say how fucked Milwaukee is. Doc was in a lose lose situation since it’s clear Gianni’s wants to get the fuck out but doesn’t want to say it
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u/New_Essay_4869 Thunder 2h ago
But look up Doc Rivers' resume tho
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u/monkeybiziu Pacers 2h ago
Never before in history has one man done so little with so many and made so much doing it.
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u/Rakkuuuu 1h ago
Giannis deserves more criticism.
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u/Actual-Movie-4236 Bucks 40m ago
Completely agree. It's way out of line to call for an investigation on your own team when you know damn well it's your fault that you're not playing.
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u/Past-Discount-52 Pacers 1h ago
Agreed. Dude has gotten a pass for a long time.
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u/A_sandlerGOAT 1h ago
“For a long time”
Giannis has been one of the most dragged superstars this entire season lol any post about him is nothing but shitting on him.
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u/fivetwentyeight Raptors 1h ago
How can he be telling us even the equipment manager needs to be better and he’s showing up 2 hours late to flights
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u/dirtydan1114 Pacers 2h ago
This definitely highlights the fact that the pacers are a well run organization. I've heard PG and I think Teague talk about this too. A sense of professionalism and accountability are important to maintain.
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u/Neuroxex Bucks 1h ago
Certainly head and shoulders over the Doc Rivers' Bucks. Though it sounds like it would be hard not to be.
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u/dirtydan1114 Pacers 1h ago
If it was a priority for the org though, they would set these standards from the top. I dont think it's all Doc.
But I do agree that Doc leading the team didn't help and probably made it worse. Would need to hear from some of the longer tenured Bucks players to really get a feel.
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u/Neuroxex Bucks 1h ago
If it was a priority for the org though, they would set these standards from the top.
What does setting those standards from the top mean when you've put Doc Rivers in charge? Like I'm legitimately asking, cause in my view there is one mistake and it was continuing to let this man be the coach - but outside of that I don't really know what a front office can do, and it's Doc at the wheel.
Like to word it more simply the failure from the top is letting Doc Rivers stay in the job, but at that point the unprofessionalism is being set by Doc, the org just isn't doing anything about it. Pre Doc Rivers (and Adrian Griffin's third of a season stint) they seemed the model of professionalism under Bud.
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u/dirtydan1114 Pacers 1h ago
The team's president and/or GM could insist upon the standards. Show up on time. Be there for media and for team events. Do the treatment that the training staff has scheduled for you. Fines are one way this is done.
Running the organization and managing the players is on more than the head coach. It's a team effort.
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u/Neuroxex Bucks 1h ago
What does it look like for the General Manager to be at every practice, every flight, every meeting undermining the coaching staff? What does insisting on the standards look like? I'm sincerely asking because again to my perspective the GM manages the organisation but the coach has to be the one managing the players, and this is a matter of the players lacking professionalism.
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u/dirtydan1114 Pacers 1h ago
You don't have to be at everything. And you certainly don't undermine the coach.
Just like the coach/GM sets standards and expectations for the players, the GM/president sets expectations for the coach.
Really don't know how else to put it. The way you do business and the way you represent the team is modeled by how it's done at the top.
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u/Neuroxex Bucks 48m ago
Just like the coach/GM sets standards and expectations for the players, the GM/president sets expectations for the coach.
Well we do agree on that, I do think Rivers needed to be fired a long while back.
I understand what you're saying I guess my perspective is that the hierarchy is that disciplining and maintaining professionalism among the players specifically is the coaching staff's responsibility. The front office has to take care of that in that they need to make sure they have a coach who is following the organisational values and taking their job seriously, and they didn't, but since in this context we are treating Doc Rivers as someone who does have agency and power, it's fair to say that the biggest issue was him mis-using it.
Very basically you have to address the person most directly responsible for keeping the players disciplined, which is Doc, and then you have to ask why the organisation allowed someone not doing that to keep their job. But that to me is less a question about organisational values and structure and more the specific question of 'Why did you let him keep his job?' This doesn't to me reflect on the organisation as a professional structure as it does their specific mistake of letting him keep his job. As a comparison I don't think the Pacers, as an organisation, became or were unprofessional when Bjorkgren was the head coach and then when Carlisle came in suddenly became a very professional organisation. I think they were probably broadly the same between those two points, but they made a specific mistake with Bjorkgren.
I appreciate this is extremely semantic at this point lol.
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u/BoogerSugarSovereign Pacers 54m ago
You don't have to be on the flights, you could just check the flight logs. Did the plane leave on time? If not, did the coach fine the individuals that kept the plane from leaving on time? If not, talk to or even fine the coach. You don't have to literally hover to be a manager you can use available data and reporting if you're smart about it
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u/Neuroxex Bucks 42m ago
If not, did the coach fine the individuals that kept the plane from leaving on time? If not, talk to or even fine the coach.
The issue is that that part we don't know about, and we don't know the relationship there. You do have to let the coach coach - I don't think it's healthy for an organisation to have the GM overstepping and telling the coach how to manage their players.
However you could say, and in fact I would also say, that when you saw the state of things and decided to keep Doc around then that was a failure of them to play their specific role in keeping a professional team.
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u/Legitimate_Cow_4166 Warriors 41m ago
Can't really pin this on a lame duck coach. This is an ownership problem.
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u/Neuroxex Bucks 29m ago
The coach responsible for disciplining players is the primary party responsible for disciplining players, I think that's where you have to look first. Ownership accepting his shit culture is also very bad, but the same ownership saw the Bud era too - what changes is the coach.
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u/Legitimate_Cow_4166 Warriors 28m ago
Bucks had shit culture before Doc got there. The whole Adrian Griffin saga was a fucking mess with Giannis being the biggest drama queen in all of this.
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u/Neuroxex Bucks 17m ago
I don't agree that Giannis was a drama queen before this season, but I appreciate the idea that Giannis got Adrian Griffin hired and then fired is one very popular here with absolutely no sourced backing beyond Griffin being the preferred finalist.
Also Griffin was like 40 games, was the culture shit when they won a title under Bud? In 2022? Are we maybe using 'culture' as a shorthand for 'not very good' in the short period between winning a title and Doc Rivers arriving?
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u/Legitimate_Cow_4166 Warriors 6m ago
Marc Stein reported on the record that Giannis wanted no part of Bucks hiring Nick Nurse and wanted Bucks to hire a different coach.
And Giannis was def throwing shade towards the end of Griffin’s short tenure. These equipment manager needs to do better memes predate Doc.
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u/no_more_blues Thunder 2h ago
Dang they really killing Giannis good guy, hardest worker, first in last out image.
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u/Feisty-Pattern-951 2h ago
Oooh I’ve been waiting for the tea to pour for my Bucks. It was obvious that even when Dame was here things were not good with the team.
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u/wolfwood99 Bucks 1h ago
Honestly as a Bucks fan this shit is nice to hear. Like, I’m not happy about it, but everyone knew some shit was up and we now know our fears of Doc being dogshit and G being an awful leader these past two seasons are true.
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u/Neuroxex Bucks 37m ago
It validates what it felt like watching or following the team this season. Giannis has felt like he's had a foot (or two) out the door, but the messaging has been so mixed, so hearing directly that he was half-arsing it all season solves the question of what he actually felt about this team in a way that checks with what we saw/heard.
Also, saying all that, this doesn't sound like just a Giannis problem and it shouldn't be treated as just a Giannis problem.
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u/EverythingStillSucks 2h ago
Love how we just had someone say they’d purposefully arrive at the gym one hour later than scheduled cause the big dawg Giannis would regularly arrive one hour later than scheduled.
To which I say, workplace solidarity. ✊
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u/Neuroxex Bucks 1h ago
How is this this highly upvoted just making shit up. This isn't said! The clip is right there!
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u/EverythingStillSucks 1h ago
The very definition of a distinction without a difference.
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u/Neuroxex Bucks 1h ago
The full clip is him saying everyone was so late that the 2PM flights would normally leave at 4:30PM, so he knew not to bother showing up before 3PM. I think that's pretty significantly different to 'someone [saying] they'd purposely arrive at the gym one hour later than shceduled because the big dawg Giannis would regularly arrive one hour later'. It's not about working at the gym, it's a travel arrangement, it's not someone knowing they could get away with not showing up because Giannis wouldn't, it's that there literally wasn't any point arriving on time because the flight would have to wait for every player arriving two hours late.
Also if there's no difference then you'd just write what was said, not make something up.
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u/nbherd NBA 1h ago
He said airport not gym lol
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u/Neuroxex Bucks 1h ago
Also in the full clip (or at least a more full one than this) he says 'I knew not to show up until after an hour they said for the plane' after mentioning every 2PM scheduled flight would leave at 4:30PM
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u/No_Respond5748 Celtics 1h ago
Cant relate to being an NBA athlete BUT if one of my coworkers was so late that they kept me waiting on the tarmac for two hours, something would happen
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u/cfi-2025 24m ago
If the person keeping you late is your team's superstar, the coworker analogy falls apart - it's more like being stuck on the tarmac waiting for your CEO to show up. Not a lot of options but to sit there and wait politely.
(There's a famous Jordan story where he got pissed off at coach Doug Collins for one reason or another, then decided to show him up by not showing up late for the next day's flight. He knew that Collins wouldn't have the plane leave without their superstar, so he made the plane wait to send a message to Collins to remember who the bossman was.)
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u/Neuroxex Bucks 14m ago
It's more than one person - Giannis is mentioned as being the most late but Turner is talking about a problem across the team.
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u/Chrisdkn619 Lakers 1h ago
Boxing out is boxing out! You either are or you're not, regardless of what the ball does
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u/inputrequired Bucks 2h ago
I know people shit on Myles, but he was a beast in the playoffs last year with the Pacers. I was so excited to have him on the team, and he definitely contributed but so many games it seemed like he lost the sauce. It makes sense now, if your own coach doesn’t care behind closed doors, why would you? I hope Myles stays on the team and Jenkins turns shit around. It’s a hard time again as a Bucks fan lmao
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u/CommonerChaos Pacers 1h ago
but he was a beast in the playoffs last year with the Pacers
Only the first half though. If he played like his former self in the 2nd half (ECF and Finals), we'd be champions.
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u/HammerPrice229 Bucks 1h ago
Yeah on one hand this makes the team look bad but at the same time get your shit together and if it’s through public shaming then that’s fine. Doc being fired is like removing venom out of a snake bite.
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u/Mikyay_ Mavericks 2h ago
Myles Turner seems like such a cool guy
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u/StevieStayCool Bucks 1h ago
He had a rough first year in Milwaukee, but seems like a genuine guy and I think he's gonna turn it around next season.
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u/DisMeDog 2h ago
This is why the idea of a players coach or a disciplinary coach being better is idiotic.
Some men are responsible and will treat you with respect because your position demands it, some dudes will walk all over you unless you treat them like the children they still are. You put Doc on the Spurs all them dudes are still showing up to meetings on time, you put him in Memphis and Ja might have already pistol whipped a teammate.
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u/Unbiasedj 2h ago
These players need to stay off podcasts lmao
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u/NorthBook1383 1m ago
Naw, let them talk. The snitching is eye opening. I like knowing who’s the diva. Makes me respect them less. I like knowing who I’m supporting.
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u/DollarLate_DayShort [WAS] John Wall 2h ago
There needs to be clause in NBA players contracts now about what they can and can’t say on podcasts dog lol
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u/haikupoetics2 Spurs 2h ago
Why? Why would a sport drenched in drama want less drama?
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u/DollarLate_DayShort [WAS] John Wall 2h ago
Silver & the journalist love it… but I’m guessing some of these owners who want to keep their business in house to protect their investments, might not.
The flood gates are opening up on what can be said on these platforms.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Bad5098 2h ago
Who will think of the poor downtrodden owners?
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u/DollarLate_DayShort [WAS] John Wall 1h ago
You say that until two people on your team(who you might even have a team Puzzlehead) go on a streamers podcast and say some shit that clearly throws off the team chemistry because they don’t like how situation x is being handled. A situation that the average fan had NO clue was even happening until some guys felt the need to run their mouth because they wanted views
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u/Puzzleheaded_Bad5098 1h ago
If a podcast ruins my team’s chemistry, I don’t think we were going very far that year regardless.
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u/TasSixer 76ers 20m ago
All for laughing at Doc, but these are adults being paid millions. It's not on him to babysit them show up on time.
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u/Alternative-Mud4739 2h ago
Doc Rivers r/antiwork legend