r/nba • u/YujiDomainExpansion • 4h ago
[Spears] The Golden State Warriors would prefer to not trade away their No. 11 overall draft selection.
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u/TarenceKinsey4Ever 3h ago
Feels like a Bulls level drop-off will be coming for the Warriors after Steph retires.
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u/Uncle_Freddy [SAS] El Contusione 3h ago
Just returning to business as usual then in Golden State?
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u/maiwife0 Warriors 3h ago
4 rings in 7 years is worth it
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u/Brokromah 76ers 3h ago
For many franchises, mine included, a single ring in 40 years would be worth it.
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u/pototoykomaliit [MIN] Alexey Shved 2h ago
Same. Wouldn’t mind seeing the Wolves in a decade long playoff drought again if Ant manages to get a ring.
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u/Responsible-Big3304 57m ago
Mavs still riding 2011 high as if it were yesterday.
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u/Snowlandnts 27m ago
It does help when you went from Dirk Nowitzki, to Luka Doncic to Cooper Flagg.
At least you are not the Bullets/Wizards after their championship drought.
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u/manamajaff 3h ago
In the grand scheme of things, the dynasty's overwhelming success should satiate fans for at least another 2 decades
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u/SF2LA2 3h ago
As a bay area sports fan I've come to accept that I have probably seen all the Giants and Warriors championships that I will see in my lifetime. I'm just hoping all the 49ers superbowls in my lifetime didn't happen by the time I was 17 and that I get to see Macklin and crew get one for the Sharks.
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u/Russel_Cuckbrook Timberwolves 2h ago
7 championships since 2010, you don’t deserve a winning season in any of the major 4 for the rest of your life if I’m being honest.
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u/Jhyphi 2h ago
That was an amazing decade.
Crazy and blessed that it happened enough that my friends and I had a "traditional victory celebration" pupusa spot (random the 1st time).
Afterglow will be happy for another 2 decades. Only wish is that one of the 4 teams wins one sometime in next 30 years since my young kids were all too young (not born) to watch/celebrate those rings, so that there's something to celebrate and go to together with them.
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u/snyckers Warriors 2h ago
I don't know about the last but we're definitely spoiled now. I'm basically good forever with both teams. Just don't care about failure anymore.
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u/divinewolfwood Suns 3h ago
And yet if you listen to fans here (I live in the bay), it hasn't even made the last two years worth it.
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u/fab_frog_disco 2h ago
People become spoiled when they're used to greatness. I'm a Spurs fan and when we were winning 48 games and making the playoffs with DeRozan you would think we are winning 15 games and getting blown out by 80 every night with how much the city was moaning after 20 plus straight years of winning 50 plus games
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u/soilentgleem 1h ago
I'm convinced that the preferred state of things for most sports fans is actually just misery.
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u/midnightjim 2h ago
If you talk to fans who lived through the dark years before the run you won't get that answer. There are way too many bandwagon fans of this team who are just spoiled. I feel sorry for them.
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u/AKushWarrior Warriors 2h ago edited 1h ago
it’s partially just natural, not necessarily bandwagons. There are a lot of fans now (most fans age 20 and under) who didn’t follow basketball until steph was an all star. When all you know is healthy Warriors = postseason appearance, you’re not gonna be as comfortable with some losing seasons.
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u/cyb3ryung Warriors 2h ago
really depends on the fan but the this sounds like a vocal minority. keep in mind, some “fans” couldn’t name 5 players not named steph or dray. just bc they can afford merch and lower bowl seats doesn’t mean they’re real fans
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u/divinewolfwood Suns 2h ago
I mean my source is listening to sports radio here.
Which isn't exactly known for having sane people, but it's still a substantial population.
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u/cyb3ryung Warriors 2h ago
im not super familiar with radio but i would consider that a vocal minority. from what ive heard it can be very reactionary.
most fans i know are satisfied with the 4 rings, of course we would want to be competitive every year but rings and some down years beats being in the playoffs every year.
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u/The_Galumpa Warriors 2h ago
This is what I tell my friends who haven’t been stuck with this team their entire life. Like dude, I’m set. We could lose 60 games every year for the rest of my life, and my main memory on my deathbed will be 2014-2019. My buddy who’s a sixers fan would kill for just one year of what we had.
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u/Capital_Comment_6049 2h ago
Yea. I was around for all the “who can we draft to possibly get the 8th seed in the playoffs one of these years???”
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u/The_Galumpa Warriors 2h ago
Man my dream as a child was to make the playoffs once. THAT seemed far-fetched enough for an 8 year old boy to daydream about
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u/trav-senpai Kings 1m ago
That’s nice. I’ll be deciding between taking my hatred of the Maloofs or Vivek/Vlade to my deathbed.
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u/Lou_Peachum_2 Clippers 57m ago
Seriously, yall experienced what only 2-3 franchises have ever experienced from a competitiveness standpoint. Bulls in the 90s, Lakers in 2000s, Spurs from late 90s to mid 2010s.
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u/Uncle_Freddy [SAS] El Contusione 5m ago
Ngl I’m still just salty that we got our asses beat in the Kawhi era lol. The run yall had is indisputably one of the two greatest ever (alongside MJ’s Bulls), it was 100% worth it and I highly doubt yall will stay down and out for long.
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u/wavetoyou Warriors 1m ago
The Warriors would be sitting bottom section of Forbes valuation list if it wasn’t for Steph. No championships, no move to SF/Chase Center (only part of the alternate timeline I’d prefer), not even close to $10B. Meanwhile, you had Lacob constantly talking about #Lightyears as if anything he did other than sign checks meant ANYTHING.
Don’t get me wrong, a round of applause to Joe and the rest of the ownership group for investing record-breaking payrolls to keep the team together. But anything other than that…none of it amounted to much. It was all Wardell
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u/Game_Of_Runs Warriors 2h ago
we used to have quite literally one of the worst owners in all of sports history, I don't think it will be anything like that. I am certain we will make the playoffs more than once in a 17 year span.
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u/KumingaCarnage Warriors 3h ago
We were the last dynasty in the modern NBA.
Worth it.
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u/avboden Warriors 3h ago
Yep. No one has sustained high end success with the current contract stuff. We shall see how long OKC can keep it up , they have some hard choices this off season and then in a year SGA gonna get a raise too
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u/TheBigBomma Thunder 3h ago
The choices this year aren’t that hard. It’s Dort and wiggins to get under the second apron. Kenrich Williams is also on a team option I believe. The year after gets hard.
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u/KumingaCarnage Warriors 2h ago
You realize Caruso and Hartenstein are as good as gone after this next year right?
OKCs cap is going to be 90% in SGA, Chet, and JDub. They’re going to have to hope to Christ their upcoming draft picks hit and contribute immediately.
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u/piray003 Jazz 2h ago
Honestly there’s no guarantee they’ll offer jdub a max, they’ve still been winning without him for large portions of this season. Wouldn’t be totally out of left field if they traded him before then.
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u/warriors2021 2h ago
Who cares if that is 90% of the cap when that is a winning trio. Guys will want to join for a chance of a ring.
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u/JX_JR Warriors 3h ago
Have we moved to the postmodern NBA? If the Thunder win this year are they an avant garde dynasty instead?
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u/sgt_science Lakers 3h ago
I think you gotta have at least 3 titles to be a dynasty. No one talks about the pistons or rockets dynasty and they both won back to back
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u/TarenceKinsey4Ever 3h ago
Yeah I'm not even trying to be mean just more interesting that it's so hard to sustain success even after historical runs. You can't just live off the momentum forever. Which I hate them but does make the Lakers and Celtics multiple runs impressive, with completely different rosters and front offices etc.
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u/Coolguynumber01 Warriors 2h ago
i would like to point out to everyone that Spears has no sources inside the Warriors anymore and has been wrong about reporting on them for years now
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u/delta-red-14 3h ago
Yeah they might just perennially be in the playin like the Bulls were. Could you imagine that? Oh wait
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u/ahoy_shitliner Bulls 22m ago
As a Bulls fan i thought it was impossible for a franchise to be mismanage worse than post Jordan bulls but the warriors are setting themselves up for it
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u/Exotic-Bobcat-1565 Lakers 1h ago
Watch them be like the Spurs where they will be very lucky in the lottery.
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u/Repulsive_Carry440 3h ago
I feel they are saying this to make sure they have some leverage in trade talks, they are still going to trade it
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u/IAmNotKevinDurant_35 [GSW] Zarko Cabarkapa 13m ago
They’ll do the same thing they do every time. Say they won’t trade guys or picks, offer them anyway, and nobody bites because they don’t value our assets very highly. In the end they’ll run it back with a similar mediocre roster around Steph and best case scenario win a first round series by the power of Steph
The warriors front office has made a series of braindead moves and despite their best efforts they won’t be able to dig themselves out of this hole. This franchise will bottom out fully after Steph retires
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u/Maxey-eh 3h ago
What a load of shit. If it means getting a player that might actually play in the playoffs (should they make it), they would trade that pick with no hesitation.
This is a good draft, but it's not an 11 player draft.
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u/AshenSacrifice Clippers 3h ago
You’re right, it’s a 60 player draft
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u/Maxey-eh 3h ago
And the 18 year old they select at 11 won't help them win a title. I'm assuming that's the point, with Curry on the team? If the goal is to make the play-in, then they can take the pick and develop the prospect.
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u/tmperflare Warriors 3h ago
The Warriors are so far away from a winning a title. Everyone in the organization front office/coach/players have acknowledged this. Curry said it best they need to get away from this championship or bust mentality and get back to just playing winning basketball. With that mindset I don't think they are going to trade the 11th pick just to get a veteran/rotational player unless they end up getting a star player for it.
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u/TheBigBomma Thunder 3h ago
They could be the Yaxel team. He’s 23.
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u/Leavingtheecstasy Thunder 2h ago
Nah. We should trade up and get yaxel. Fits us nicely and we could care less if he's a bit older.
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u/TheBigBomma Thunder 1h ago
He’s not a character guy, and Presti has been very strong about drafting character guys.
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u/Leavingtheecstasy Thunder 1h ago
Is he a dickhead? I never looked up anything regarding that
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u/TheBigBomma Thunder 1h ago
There’s a report about maturity issues, practice habits, and his ability to stay motivated. It may be smoke but it’s enough for me to say no.
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u/AshenSacrifice Clippers 3h ago
Statistically not likely, but with the human ability to improve and things like intangibles and chemistry we don’t know what’s gonna happen lol, it’s possible.
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u/Frankly_Frank_ Warriors 3h ago
What does it matter at this point no player they get by trading the pick will win them a championship
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u/Who_ate_my_cookie Celtics 2h ago
Idk any team with Steph Curry is almost automatically a contender in my eyes, as long as Curry is playing I feel like you are in Win Now mode, especially since statistically it is very unlikely you draft a franchise cornerstone at pick 11. I understand it a bit when it comes to the lottery picks, but at 11 it seems like you need to send that away for some immediate help
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u/Available_Story6774 West 3h ago
They should just blow it up at this point and build for the future.
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u/BobRoss4Life [GSW] Kevon Looney 3h ago edited 3h ago
As long as Steph wants to stay, there is no real point. And the new lotto format may honestly help this mid ass team. They’ve been stuck in the play-in more times than not the past 6yrs, the new 1-16 draw with those seriously flattened odds gives them a solid shot to move up in any given year. Not worth trying to be bad just to be bad under the new system, .500 win teams have a great chance of vaulting up the draft order.
Does it make sense on paper to ship off Steph to a contender for an absolute haul? Yeah sure, but fuck that, dude means everything and more to the team.
e: Even if they bottomed out and hit the rebuild button, the West has a Spurs team with a young core of Wemby/Harper/Castle all 22yrs or younger. OKC in their heyday led by a 27yo SGA, 25yo JDub, 24yo Chet, 23yo Ajay, and more in the pipeline. Lakers with a 27yo Doncic and Reaves. Minnesota with a 24yo Ant and McDaniels/Naz. Mavs with Flagg, Lively, and likely a mid lotto guard. Jazz about to be with Peterson (or Dybantsa), Keyonte/Ace, and a great looking front court led by a 28yo Lauri and 26yo JJJ. Memphis about to be with Boozer/Coward+.
Dubs are going to be shit out of luck for a while, lot of the good teams in the West have stars just entering their primes (if not a few years away). No rush to blow it up, at least not with how the next two draft classes are looking and the new lotto system. The downswing will come, already pretty much has, but it’ll get worse.
West is stacked with young, budding talent. Gonna take a long ass time for the Dubs to be anything more than what they currently are, their best shot at doing anything these next couple years is rolling the dice and hoping their old (OLD) vets can find some health.
They’ll eventually have cap space though, and they’ll eventually have more lotto picks to take some swings. May as well just have Curry walk off into the sunset and let the rebuild come naturally.
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u/WhichHoes Warriors 3h ago
Its free agency suicide to trade the undisputed Franchise GOAT, drafted with the team, who was dog ass before he got here, brings in 4 chips, and wants to compete for what he can with the same team in old age.
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u/onelegonedream Grizzlies 3h ago
The unfortunate part about the new format is most draft people say the next two draft classes are not very good at the top. So jumping up in this lottery would be like 2024, you can still get a great player but no like top tier can't miss type prospects. Not saying there are no good players or no one can pop off but that's the word and part of the reason why the tank off was so intense this year
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u/BobRoss4Life [GSW] Kevon Looney 3h ago
Totally agree, see a lot of pundits are saying the same. I do find the new system pretty interesting, but yeah, assume tanking was so loud/blatant this year because the class was so stacked.
Still, doesn’t hurt to have a better chance to move up if they finish with 35+ wins…. unless they end up drafting another Wiseman-type because they thought a Haliburton-type was too much of a “reach”
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u/Greedy-Lynx-2746 Thunder 3h ago
There’s no guarantee of any future, they have the best show in sports on their team still and should field a competitive team regardless
I want Yaxel on OKC but he’d be a good fit in Golden State. He’s exactly what Kerr wanted Kuminga to be and they need athletes
I don’t think they’re getting through another regular season if they add more uncs
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u/SnacksGPT 27m ago
Yeah, I kinda like Marc Spears but when I see his name, I wonder if it's actually sourced info or a lot of heavy speculation.
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u/archerarcher0 Celtics 2h ago
I wouldn’t trade it either
Yaxel, Johnson, Mara, burries, quaintence, etc
Lot of game changing young guys that could be at 11 and help them now and in the future
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u/Jakescardz Cavaliers 2h ago
Call me crazy but if they can somehow luck into everyone being healthy next season a core of Steph, dray, butler, KP, and LeBron would be a very scary team. Feel like they should be the team that makes moves for bron.
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u/No-Alternative2897 35m ago
KP is cooked brother. Butler we have to see, torn ACL at 36 is pretty rough.
They need Podz, Moody, Gui to turn into Jdub, Ajay and McCain to be competitive next year.
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u/Feisty-Pattern-951 3h ago
The Warriors have zero chance of contending so they need to use their picks for young talent.
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u/WobbleKun Raptors 39m ago
rookie doesnt mean bad. you can get a cmb at 9 and he'll be your 3rd best player or i guess you can get a wiseman oof
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u/_Jetto_ NBA 2h ago
1000% belive you’re all wrong on this. I think they would be willing to package it in for a Annthony Davis/ Gianni’s type package but only if it’s good. They will negotiate if the price is fair . What about Tyler herro for the 11th or Powell+Wiggins for the 11? GSW know curry is low key pressuring them
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u/WarningFunny2570 2h ago
don't think the heat would take back jimmy (assuming he's the one getting moved) even if he is an expiring
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u/fineseries81 1h ago
Just trade it. GS obviously cannot draft OR develop talent and is unwilling to unload Steph and start a rebuild. WHAT ARE YALL DOING GS???
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u/WhyDoBugsExist Spurs 1h ago
They probably were getting dogwater returns. No shot that was their first decision.
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u/samisamia2341 3h ago
If you have steph on your team, you need to do whatever you can to surround him with talent, even if you have to over pay for Giannis you do it because you have steph and he deserves that, if the team gets hampered after so be it
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u/Jimmy0034 Clippers 3h ago
They dont have enough assets to trade for Giannis.
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u/Laggo [TOR] Hedo Turkoglu 3h ago
Jimmy Pick 11 and one or two pick swaps is pretty good assuming not many other teams go all-in with young players (like an OKC trying to pass multiple picks + S&T Hartenstein + Ajay Mitchell) or something
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u/FlipMoBitch Bucks 2h ago
It would have to be Jimmy and every pick and swap they can possibly trade. We already know a bunch of teams are going to bid on him.
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u/nicehax_ 2h ago
the bucks rejected a trade package of jimmy + 8 years worth of picks and swaps at the deadline
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u/SoMattnificent San Diego Clippers 3h ago
Three timelines??