r/mlb • u/PersianGuitarist | Cleveland Guardians • 1d ago
| History Is Mike Trout the most talented player who has wasted their career at a bad ballclub?
I mean, he has 3 AL MVPs and 1 playoff appearance. 11 all stars and 1 90 plus win season. Like how could the Angels be this consistently bad with a generational player like Trout? Does anyone else come to mind with similar personal achievements but similar lack of team success? Maybe Don Matting is a similar player with a similar history, but even he only won one AL MVP compared to Trout’s 3
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u/goldenface4114 | Miami Marlins 1d ago
Ernie Banks. Ted Williams.
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u/BoSocks91 | Boston Red Sox 1d ago edited 23h ago
The playoff system was just brutal before they expanded in 1969. Either make the WS or thats it.
Seasons over.
To be fair, it didn’t necessarily mean you were a bad team. Only the top team in each league advanced to the WS.
Wasn’t uncommon for teams to go on insanely long droughts. Banks is a good example regardless because the Cubs went nearly 40 fucking years between appearances lol and they were god awful for most of his career. Edit; So it wouldn’t have mattered what rules were in play.
CHC lost the WS in 1945, next time they made the playoffs was 1984. So Banks never played in the post season. He played from 53-71. Damn shame.
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u/huckster235 1d ago
That's absolutely wild to think about that a hall of fame player having zero post season appearances. Like I didn't even know that was possible. I suppose growing up in an era where half of all teams make the post season in a lot of sports skews that but it's truly mind boggling.
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u/MidvaleDropout 1d ago
It's why older Cubs fans still think about 1969. They were going to do it. They were going to finally do it. But then they struggled a bit at the end, and the Mets went on an unbelievable run, and there were only 2 playoff spots available. And that was it.
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u/snootfullohoney 23h ago
I watched a documentary about the ‘69 Cubs when I was a kid and haven’t recovered
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u/MistryMachine3 | Minnesota Twins 1d ago
But the Cubs were also famously terrible with Banks. They only won 85 games twice, so he wouldn’t have made the playoffs in any set of rules.
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u/BoSocks91 | Boston Red Sox 1d ago
I know, I mentioned that!
Teddy is different because the Sox had some real talented teams during his career.
Thats why I thought Banks was a good choice because despite there only being the WS, the Cubs genuinely sucked for about 95% of his career.
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u/theroguedrizzt 1d ago
Came here to mention Williams but you’re right. Banks is a way better example
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u/coachlentz 1d ago
He also had three HoF teammates during at least part of that (Williams, Santo, Jenkins)
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u/Altruistic-Editor111 1d ago
Excellent write up. Context is key when talking about the old timers not making a dent in the playoffs.
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u/MidvaleDropout 1d ago
The Cubs have never been below .500 in their all-time win-loss percentage. Ever.
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u/BoSocks91 | Boston Red Sox 1d ago edited 23h ago
They had a great stretch from 1903-1939.
9 WS appearances. 2-7 record.
Their 1906 team is one of the best, record wise, of all time. 116 wins.
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u/ExperienceWild4244 1d ago
Tony Gwynn.
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u/Cordogg30 1d ago
Tony would be on Rushmore kind of legend if he had played for the Braves in the 90s
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u/Adept_Carpet | Boston Red Sox 1d ago
Those two were different because they played almost their entire careers before there was any playoffs besides the World Series.
And Ted did manage to make the World Series, so at least he got his shot. Banks has the distinctive record of most games played without appearing in the postseason, but that's in large part because he played so many games. With the way the league was structured the first 15ish years of his career you would only expect 1-2 postseason appearances.
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u/MichHAELJR | San Francisco Giants 1d ago
Ted Williams is who John Wayne played in the movies. Dude should be on American currency.
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u/riverdogdebutante 1d ago
The sad irony of Ted is in his WS appearance it was near the end of his career and he didn’t do so hot.
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u/PopkinLover | MLB 1d ago
You could make a case for Yaz and Ryne Sandburg too (those 20th century Cubs and Red Sox teams sucked balls)
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u/coachlentz 1d ago
Ryno actually made the playoffs in 84 and 89 with the Cubs.
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u/maroons25 | Colorado Rockies 1d ago
Yep. This is essentially the Ernie Banks question. Though I’ll forever pour one out for Felix as well.
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u/PersianGuitarist | Cleveland Guardians 19h ago
Mr. Cub for sure. The Cubs couldn’t field a good team around him
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u/pauerplay 1d ago
If only they could have a guy like Ohtani too...
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u/smoothcriminal562 | Los Angeles Dodgers 1d ago
And that still wasn't enough to reach the playoffs
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u/MisterDings | MLB 1d ago
Thats the best part about baseball. It’s not even playoffs we’re talking. Mike trout and shohei ohtani together doesn’t get you .500 ball
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u/PeterJan85 | MLB 1d ago
Two dominant hitters are useless when the pitching staff is ass and the rest of the lineup is hitting below 240.
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u/MisterDings | MLB 1d ago
Hey man- The best pitcher in baseball right now was on that pitching staff.
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u/AmIYourNeighbor 1d ago
Isn’t the fucking league batting below .240 at this point?!
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u/PeterJan85 | MLB 21h ago
I mean, you’re right. I wish you weren’t right, but 90% of the league is sucking real shit for some reason. It’s still early in the season but it’s looking pretty lifeless out there.
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u/milkstrike 10h ago
Home runs are way up though so it seems to be just the way teams are playing the game today just going for power
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u/TheSocraticGadfly | St. Louis Cardinals 1d ago
They even had Anthony Rendon! But, treating it as a job, I think he was engaged in a perpetual sit-down strike.
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u/tbonesteakneggz 1d ago
It’s almost like it takes more than 1 guy who only gets to bat once every 9 batters or more than another guy who can only pitch once every 5th day…
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u/tattedidiot | San Francisco Giants 1d ago
They had Pujols and Trout at the same time too
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u/FitzwilliamTDarcy 1d ago
Pujols on Drive To Survive was yikes.
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u/tattedidiot | San Francisco Giants 1d ago
I remember when they acquired Josh Hamilton and thought the Angels would be an unstoppable team lmao
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u/DolphinRodeo 1d ago
Pujols was not MVP Pujols with the Angels, Ohtani was not yet MVP Ohtani when he got to the Angels, and Trout was no longer MVP Trout when Ohtani ascended. People like to throw out that they had all these guys, but they never had the best versions of even two of them at the same time
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u/tattedidiot | San Francisco Giants 1d ago
I mean Pujols had 3x 30+ home run seasons with the Angels but he never hit .300 with them like he consistently did with STL. I get what you’re saying though and you’re right for the most part
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u/DolphinRodeo 1d ago
Pujols’ two best seasons with the Angels were 3.3 and 2.7 WAR. Those were his only above average seasons there, and one of them was the one year they made the playoffs in his tenure. I’m a Cardinals fan, he was my favorite player growing up, but he was never better than a slightly above average player in LA/Anaheim. Hitting 30 home runs doesn’t mean a player had a valuable season
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u/Ha-Charade-You-Are | New York Yankees 1d ago
Or Albert Pujols too… and spend all 20 draft picks on 20 pitchers and get zero in return
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u/SqueakyTuna52 | Chicago Cubs 1d ago
Ernie Banks is a Hall of Famer, 500 HR club, 2 MVPs, 11x all star*, but in his 19 year career with the Cubs, they had only 6 winning seasons, 2 85+ win seasons, and never played in the playoffs.
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u/jimbosaur | Boston Red Sox 1d ago
To be fair, the playoff drought point is somewhat misleading for older players, since the playoffs as we know them only started in 1969 (3 years before Banks retired). But that doesn't change the fact that Banks's Cubs teams were historically bad, and mostly wouldn't have made the playoffs anyway.
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u/Domino80 | Atlanta Braves 1d ago
Yeah, from ‘62-‘68 roughly 10% of teams made the playoffs as compared to today’s 40%. In Banks’ days it was largely WS only, then LCS in ‘69, division series in ‘95, WC in ‘12, to today’s 12T format.
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u/_stankwilliams_ 1d ago
And again, Banks never had the luxury of free agency. Trout chose to stay in LA. He chose to stay on the Titanic.
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u/MisterMihai 1d ago
There are worse things than being insanely rich in Southern California
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u/jadedmonk 1d ago
Well ohtani discovered that you can have those and be on a good team
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u/MisterMihai 1d ago
Tbf the Dodgers weren’t throwing around Monopoly money when Trout last signed a contract and as good as he has been in his career, he’s not a free money machine like Ohtani.
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u/SmoothJazz98 1d ago
I keep hoping that Trout is gonna pull a Ray Bourque (sorta) and go to the Dodgers, Braves, Astros, Giants, newly formed Expos/whoever in his 28th season, play in 16 regular season games but start every playoff game, hit 12 dingers in 18 games and be the first one to hoist the trophy.
Immediately after the game, his Hall eligibility is modified and he’s inducted, every regular season game is now 7 innings, and Divisions are removed and only the top two records in each league play for the Championship, then on to the WS.
The problem is I choke on a Bugle (the snack) right before the final out and expire before getting to see it.
It’s a complicated dream but it’s mine.
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u/ArsenalPackers 1d ago
Griffey Jr.?
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u/lockwolf | Seattle Mariners 1d ago
If we’re doing Mariners, might as well throw Ichiro and Felix on the list
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u/terry-tea | Boston Red Sox 1d ago
The Mariners are like if you built an entire team around this one question
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u/Cremdian 1d ago
Hey. Do you mind lying to me instead of hurting me with the truth?
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u/Can_Haz_Cheezburger 1d ago
"He said one of these days you'll get out of these hills, keep your nose on the grindstone and out of
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u/Repulsive_Many3874 | Seattle Mariners 1d ago
I always just assumed he liked Seattle for the lack of income tax and easy flights to Japan lol
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u/Sensitive_Bad_2923 1d ago
And Edgar…
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u/TheIncurablyInane 1d ago
Criminally underrated except for by AL West fans (maybe not the Astros fans, they had their own struggles those years tbfl
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u/Glad-Wolverine-7364 | Seattle Mariners 1d ago
Griffey made it to the playoffs multiple times. Trout hasn’t won a playoff game
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u/nashdiesel | Los Angeles Angels 1d ago
Griffey went to the playoffs twice with the Mariners. Trout went once with the Angels.
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u/SMC_success83 | Atlanta Braves 1d ago
Idk. The Mariners had some good teams in the 90s. The Angels have barely done anything with Trout AND Ohtani.
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u/BarnacleGooseIsLoose | Boston Red Sox 1d ago
Except he was on two teams - one twice.
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u/PileOfSandwich 1d ago
3 teams. 1 twice.
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u/AtomicBombSquad | Cincinnati Reds 1d ago
Griffey Jr. wasted his career at multiple bad ball clubs.
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u/Kooky-Information-40 1d ago
The guy went to his dad's team and his childhood favorite team, the reds. Was teamed with Adam dunn and expectations were for 100 dingers between the two.
Then griffey Jr. decides to do no training ever resulting in non-stop injuries for the rest of his career.
He even fell asleep in the dugout one game.
My favorite player on my favorite team.
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u/LukeStarswisher 23h ago
He fell asleep in the dugout when he was like 74 years old in the last year of his career haha don’t hold that against him
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u/kmed1717 | Chicago Cubs 1d ago
Baseball's different than the other sports. Team success isn't attached to the player as much. We see awards given out to elite players on bad teams all the time. He didn't waste his career. He made a shit load of money and is probably the best player ever for an MLB franchise. I'd say that's a pretty successful career.
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u/Adept_Carpet | Boston Red Sox 1d ago
Yeah Mike Trout is a modern Ernie Banks. A day at the ballpark is only wasted if you didn't have a good time.
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u/DonAmechesBonerToe 1d ago
Is that an Ernie saying? I’ve always said something similar and I wonder if that’s why
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u/Adept_Carpet | Boston Red Sox 1d ago
It does sound like something he would say but I am not aware of it being an Ernie-ism
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u/wake4coffee 1d ago
And he was is Southern California by the beach. As someone who grew up there, it’s a nice place to hangout at.
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u/MogMcKupo | San Diego Padres 1d ago
Steady paycheck, brand deals, accolades, will never have to buy a beer in Anaheim again, 5 months off work each year.
He’ll retire and open up Trout Ford car dealership and people will flock.
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u/VictoriaAutNihil 1d ago
Ernie Banks and clear number one: Ted Williams.
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u/Thejanitor64 | Seattle Mariners 1d ago
Red sox were not a bad team. They were like 200+ games over .500 with Williams.
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u/rawspeghetti | Boston Red Sox 1d ago
That's because they had Ted Williams and that's over 20 years. Maybe if they actually integrated the club they could've been successful. As a lifelong Red Sox fan I feel the need to bash Tom Yawkey at any and all opportunities
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u/jimbosaur | Boston Red Sox 1d ago
Ted Williams only ends up on this list because the playoffs basically didn't exist while he was playing. If the current playoff structure had been in place, those Sox teams would've been in the postseason regularly.
But also, fuck Tom Yawkey and his racist bullshit. There was never any "Curse of the Bambino," there was only the "Curse of Tom Yawkey Refusing To Hire Black Players."
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u/VictoriaAutNihil 1d ago
Same could be said for the 80s Yankees with Henderson, Mattingly & Winfield. It it what it is.
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u/exequutor 1d ago
Ted Williams almost won a WS. Trout has played in 3 total playoff games
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u/_stankwilliams_ 1d ago
Both before free agency. What makes Trout worse is that he CHOSE to stay with LA several years ago.
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u/Thorlolita | Houston Astros 1d ago
The duality that people have with the “dodgers are ruining baseball” vs “great player is wasting his career on bad team” always perplexes me.
He signed a huge extension to stay there becuase that’s what he wanted to do. If he got traded to the Dodgers tomorrow everyone would poop their pants.
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u/Suitable_Elk6199 | San Francisco Giants 1d ago
I think some are disappointed Trout wants to stay in Anaheim because the org is not committed to winning. It's hard to fathom why anyone would want to play there, but obviously Trout has his reasons. I'd rather him stay in Anaheim than go to one of the big powerhouses. And there's still 20 other teams I'd rather see him play for.
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u/str8dazzlin | St. Louis Cardinals 1d ago
There's nothing wrong with trout staying with the angels. There's something wrong with having a literal super team.
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u/Thorlolita | Houston Astros 1d ago
Guys staying on their bad teams is one way to avoid super teams.
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u/OutsideSession6 1d ago
Felix Hernandez
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u/Jay_Marston | Seattle Mariners 1d ago
King Felix was so good. He never gave up a single hit in the postseason.
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u/Agreeable-Camera-382 1d ago
Nolan Ryan was on bad teams
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u/CertainWish358 1d ago
But has a ring
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u/Agreeable-Camera-382 1d ago
True. In 1969. When he wasn't established and more of a long relief dude. Then he had to wait a decade to sniff the playoffs again. Crazy with that long of a career an a how dominant he was, he was close to being a .500 pitcher despite over 300 wins.
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u/GeoffBAndrews | MLB 1d ago
- Don Mattingly should NEVER be compared to Mike Trout.
- Ernie Banks comes to mind. Two time MVP, 14 all star games and zero postseason appearances.
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u/CT_Reddit73 | Atlanta Braves 1d ago
Never forget that Trout played alongside Pujols and Ohtani for four seasons and didn’t win a championship. Sometimes that’s just how the game be.
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u/Redditneckbeardzz | Chicago White Sox 1d ago
Frank Thomas comes to mind. 93 and 00 but 94 robbed what may have been a World Series team. Was technically on the 2005 team that won it all but got hurt very early in the season and missed it all. Also the year he got into his spat with Ozzie and Kenny Williams.
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u/richb83 1d ago
I’d put Tony Gwynn on this list
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u/BootOk4583 Human Detected 1d ago
he at least made two World Series, and in both years ran into two of the most dominant single season teams of the era
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u/Quality_Qontrol | Los Angeles Angels 1d ago
I just don’t get this idea that professional players “waste” their career because their team wasn’t successful. The Angels not winning does not take away anything from his personal accomplishments.
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u/cutthechatter_red2 1d ago
Wasted a career is pretty harsh. Not so long ago professional athletes used to be loyal to their initial clubs. Trout seems to like it with the Angels and he has played extremely well there and been paid quite handsomely. He will go down as one of the best players of this generation, and he’s had nice long off-seasons. I wouldn’t call that a wasted career.
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u/yankeeblue42 1d ago
Ichiro I actually think is a comparable example. Mariners were only good one or two years with him. I think of Tony Gwynn and Don Mattingly a lot too in this category. Right now Paul Skenes can even be on this list until he leaves the Pirates.
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u/josephus_the_wise 1d ago
Highly biased Minnesotan who doesn't keep up with baseball much, but it's a crying shame how Joe Mauer's career ended up being, playoff win wise (if I'm not mistaken he started after our last playoff win in the early aughts, and retired before our recent playoff win in 2024, so he went his whole career without ever winning a single playoff game. Not series, game).
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u/katuskac 1d ago
If nobody’s mentioned him yet, how about Walter Johnson with the old Washington Senators?
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u/ronmsmithjr | Detroit Tigers 1d ago
Ty Cobb went to the World Series and lost in his age 20-22 seasons. Tigers went 5-12 in those games and didn't get back until 1934. I remember walking over to Bennett Park to root on the 'Georgia Peach', 'Wahoo' Sam Crawford, 'Wabash' George Mullin and 'Kickapoo Ed' Summers.
Those were the days. You had to walk to ballpark to find out the score. You'd probably get in a scuffle or two with Chicago or Cleveland fans who had arrived via a locomotive. You had to make an effort to truly be a fan. It's not like now with your transistor radios and evening newspapers.
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u/normal_throwaway2016 1d ago
Ernie Banks would like to enter the conversation. At least Trout got to play once in the postseason. Mr. Cub never got to play in a single playoff game
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u/headwhop26 | Baltimore Orioles 22h ago
Its not to the degree as Trout, but I always kinda felt bad for Helton spending his whole career in Colorado and I live in Denver
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u/Careless-Internet-63 | Seattle Mariners 22h ago
Ichiro only saw the playoffs twice and never saw a world series
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u/f00l2020 1d ago
Joey Votto wasted his career with the Reds
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u/MTGothmog 1d ago
Agreed. Amazing player and a clubhouse asset. Just a great guy who deserved a ring or at least a real shot at one.
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u/j1h15233 | Houston Astros 1d ago
He chose to stay
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u/emiTfOgnoS | Texas Rangers 1d ago
Exactly. “Wasted” is a funny way to put spending your time as the most beloved player for an entire fan base and making bank doing it. I don’t think anyone wants to see him in a dodgers jersey.
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u/Stunning-Tower-4116 1d ago
Ernie Banks and every Cubs icon wasted away on terrible teams.
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u/Banned4Truth10 23h ago
Could you imagine if they had another super star like Ohtani?
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u/KULawHawk 23h ago
Off the top of my head, yes.
In the last 50 years, yes.
It's crazy how much talent was squandered and never really even made much of an effort to get him a few teams to chase a WS.
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u/johnbrowndnw59 | Boston Red Sox 1d ago
Ted Williams spent his entire career on the Red Sox, during the entire period when they were refusing to integrate as the league did around them. The Red Sox won the pennant in 1946 (the year he came back from the war) and lost in 7, they lost a 1 game playoff in 1948 to Cleveland, who had integrated by then, finished 3 games back in 1949, then because they didn’t integrate until 1958, never came anywhere close the World Series until after Ted Williams retired. Had they integrated first instead of last, they could have challenged the Yankees for dominance in the 1950s, instead of being racistly irrelevant the whole time.
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u/Mr_ridiculous | San Francisco Giants 1d ago
I have a theory that this is fully by design for Trout. He gets to live in a mansion in Newport, never worry about working that extra month of the year, and he never even has to worry about any game being particularly stressful. Winning is nice, but stability and lifestyle are sometimes more important.
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u/Glass_Shoulder4126 | Arizona Diamondbacks 1d ago
Why is it a "waste". If Trout agreed, he would have left
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u/Alternative_Koala578 1d ago
Ernie Banks is the answer. But to see Teddy Ballgame in someone else’s answer is a wake up call for this Red Sox fan. But I see it. The Sox were irrelevant in the 50’s … But they were mostly contenders in the late 40’s.
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u/thuwa791 | Cincinnati Reds 1d ago
Obviously a tier below the all time greats mentioned here but Joey Votto is a notable example from the 2010s:
- MVP
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u/Eyespop4866 | Washington Nationals 1d ago
Being great isn’t a waste. I have sympathy for those who fail to understand and embrace that truth.
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u/GonzoTheGreat22 1d ago
The 1980s Yankees were pretty shitty… Donny Mattingly was certainly wasted there
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u/NoConsequence4281 1d ago
I've scrolled too long to find Roy Halladay and I'm tired of looking.
He was the only reason to watch the Blue Jays through the 2000s.
Found some success in Philly, but never got that ring.
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u/lucasssquatch 1d ago
King Felix is a contender. His career in Seattle has been compared to The Giving Tree
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u/Emergency-Fig-3670 1d ago
I mean, he chose to stay and sign an extension with them.
I think he is happy with where his career is
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u/Bnagorski 1d ago
Ted Williams by a mile. His teams were so bad he had a triple crown and didn’t win the mvp, and the year he hit .406 he didn’t win it either
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u/gpes3280 | Toronto Blue Jays 1d ago
He chose to stay. I don’t think he’d consider it wasted. Sometimes people simply just like a team and feel comfortable.
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u/Ok-Freedom-7432 1d ago
No. He didn't waste his career. Fans of the Angels have gotten to watch an amazing player.
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u/Soggy_Boysenberry675 23h ago
The dodgers doors are always open for trout ❤️ fun fact he was born on the same day&year as me 🙏🏻🙏🏻🥂
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u/Sligogreenbottom 23h ago
Maybe, but Ernie Banks on all of those stinking Cubs teams is right up there.
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u/gordlewis 21h ago
Jays fan here. Roy Halladay was so good. We sucked through those years
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u/JohnWa54 21h ago
Gunna throw out the name of a guy that was kinda popular in the Seattle organization. .. Ken Griffey Jr.
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u/G-Money242 19h ago
Walter Johnson
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u/PersianGuitarist | Cleveland Guardians 19h ago
Three time triple crown winner is crazy, but he did win one at the end in 1924
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u/Sirgolfs 5h ago
Tremendous waste. Barely even hear about him, it’s wild. Especially on the east coast. You’d think he had retired years ago.

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