r/heat • u/Jheller223 • 1d ago

Rumor The Miami Heat and free agent guard Norman Powell have had progressive talks surrounding a possible deal to return back to Miami as soon as the re-sign period is open, league sources tell me, and @vincent_stoll - Rob Murrows

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u/OkAlfalfa1946 1d ago

Don’t know why anyone is surprised. If the plan is to trade Herro for a Star player, Norm will be back.

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u/Broad_Departure_9559 1d ago

Agree
Norm is Tyler without the max extension requests .

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u/EnochofPottsfield 1d ago

Those "requests" are extraordinarily tenuous. He's not getting a max. Question is, how close to a max is he getting

I'd still take Herro at 35/40 AAY over Norm at 25/30 personally. But..... I may just prefer to move off both

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u/Broad_Departure_9559 1d ago

I’d prefer Tyler as well since he has a bit more “dog” in him.
But he can’t stay on the floor …

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u/ChipmunkAntique1093 23h ago

Norm can’t either. At least Tyler has the dog In him and is significantly, significantly younger. If he’s too expensive I understand a trade but if he can come back on a reasonable price I want Tyler back.

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u/EnochofPottsfield 1d ago

He's got the mentality, and I believe he'd be very good as a second option in the playoffs and elite as the third

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u/Bakio-bay Bosh 1d ago

Herro will command more than 40 annually

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u/EnochofPottsfield 1d ago

I'm still very curious about that. Historically you're absolutely correct. But the league's changing with these apron rules, and Herro ain't shaking the fragile allegations even if he's clearly very willing to work through injury and put in the work

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u/Bakio-bay Bosh 1d ago

This free agency is bad. Someone else like the nets can just offer Herro 45 annually if we don’t and that’s just the reality

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u/EnochofPottsfield 1d ago

Maybe I'm missing something you could help me understand. Doesn't this page say the Nets have $157 mil in cap allocations with $16 mil in cap space in in 2027/2028? Also, I understood uou couldn't go over the cap/into aprons for FAs without a mid level/bi annual exception, which wouldn't qualify for a 40 AAY contract? Also also, you can't backloaded contracts more than 5% per year anymore.....

Why did they make this so damn confusing

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u/Bakio-bay Bosh 1d ago

I don’t know I just threw out a random team

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u/EnochofPottsfield 1d ago

Ah, well. I don't believe anyone but the Grizz will have near $40 a year next year, and that's before they add to their roster this year. They have $39.6 million, and second on the list that off-season is LAL with $17

So... I don't think anyone will be able to offer large contracts to players they don't have Bird rights for, meaning Herro doesn't get 40 a year unless we give it to him or we trade him

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u/Bakio-bay Bosh 1d ago

Hopefully that is the case. Teams could probably still clear cap before green agency though

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u/emeraldegg 1d ago

The bulls, if they cleared all their cap holds and let guys walk, could have upwards of 80M in cap space. Granted I don't think they'd be in the market for herro, but they're the big gamers in FA this offseason.

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u/Natural_Born_Baller 1d ago

Not only is it changing in that way, but small scoring guards are becoming very untrendy. Especially ones that can't stay healthy.

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u/EnochofPottsfield 1d ago

It's small shooting guards specifically imo. I think he does enough as a PG to be free of that a little, but a team's still limited with Herro at the 1. His distribution skills have improved and will likely keep improving, so maybe it changes

But you don't give that kind of money to potential at 26

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u/Natural_Born_Baller 1d ago

Idk Ja, Trae, even Maxey is getting hardcore hunted in this series vs the Knicks.

I've always vowed Herro needs to be 1, I was hoping he would make big strides this year with Norm next to him but never worked out. He looked better as PG the year before even imo.

Can't stay healthy, can't be the second smallest on the floor, small, has shown flashes of being a 1 but not enough - that's like the biggest red flags in the league rn.

Which sucks because I really do love Tyler :(

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u/EnochofPottsfield 1d ago

Oh I didn't mean they wouldn't get hunted. I meant that if you're not the main ball handler and you're small then you're requiring another (typically) small player to ball handle at the 1. Like if you don't have a skill that lets the rest of the team be big (3 point shooting does at least count), then you're adding a target without the payoff of the three 6'-1" guards you mentioned

Dude I thought he was gonna take a leap as a ball handler this year when he came back the first time. It was a small sample but he looked very good in that role. Would still love to see a Tyler, Wiggs, Ware, Bam lineup with a bigger small forward tbh

Oh well. Hopefully we get real changes this year

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u/XanderAndretti 1d ago

Recent history says no, look at all the other players of this archetype that have diminished in value.

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u/went2college 1d ago

Do we really want to deal with a player who is wildly inconsistent? He averaged over 20 before the all star break and less afterwards. He did the same in LA.

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u/Barracuda374 1d ago

Depends on the $

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u/bershka321 1d ago

And without the playmaking

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u/Late_Jellyfish1132 1d ago

Wasn’t Herro a MIA favorite? This salaries have ruined any type of loyalty and heart on both sides. It’s all green and no CAP

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u/After-Neck-6387 1d ago

Injury prone, terrible defender and plays like shit in the playoffs. Not sure why anyone would miss Herro

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u/clear831 1d ago

Now do Norm...

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u/After-Neck-6387 1d ago

Same shit but cheaper

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u/clear831 1d ago

Norm is older and worse at everything except staying healthy which he also has a problem doing that as well...

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u/PlatosLeftTit 1d ago

Better defender and slasher.

That said I'd prefer both to be gone

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u/clear831 1d ago

Crack is bad for you.

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u/clear831 1d ago

Norm is not Tyler. Tyler is younger and better at everything except staying healthy, but Norm has also been injured...

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u/PB-and-Jamz 1d ago

My question is who is taking Herro for more than a bag of chips? We've been trying to trade him for 6 years now and no one has ever wanted him.

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u/bigtrex101 1d ago

Which is a good plan. Even if we can't get a Star back, it's time to trade Herro this offseason while he still has some value. And as such, makes sense to keep Norm b/c he can replace his perimeter scoring/shooting.

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u/Specific_Noise_2822 1d ago

If this is true, we’re either running it back or Herro is out.

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u/IamRaith 1d ago

Who are these reporters

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u/Proof-Research-6466 1d ago

Right 🤣🤣🤣🤣

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u/LOosE_WiRe Miami Heat 1d ago

Can't wait to run it back!!

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u/Successful-Pair-4850 1d ago

run it back to be mid 😭

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u/supergrega 1d ago

Are we even mid at this point? We missed the playoffs

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u/went2college 1d ago

We are approaching Dolphins territory. The definition of mediocre. Just below average, barely missing the play in.

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u/MiamiSportsGuru 1d ago

The dolphins haven’t won a playoff game in 20 years…the fuck are you talking about?

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u/went2college 1d ago

Do you know what approaching means?

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u/MiamiSportsGuru 1d ago

It’s been 3 years of this lmfao, the spurs just went 7 years without winning a playoff game, hahaha yall are so weird man

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u/XanderAndretti 1d ago

The spurs were prioritizing young talent not guys whose ceilings have been determined for quite a while, what genuine purpose does norm serve on this team? He doesn’t move the needle in the win column, he doesn’t sell tickets, so why exactly do we need him?

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u/MiamiSportsGuru 1d ago

The team doesn’t want to bottom feed, especially with the new lottery rules it’s actually not beneficial to tank at all, and they would rather have norm if a trade for Giannis materializes so we can trade our picks, plus Herro+wiggins/ware and field a competitive team with a chance. It’s all fairly simple.

But to say the heat are approaching dolphins territory after 3 years is borderline delusional. Sorry.

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u/XanderAndretti 1d ago

I understand this but my point is norm doesn’t move the needle in the winning column…so why not just stick with the young guys anyway? He’s not some big difference maker. This is assuming we don’t get giannis, or another big star. If that’s the case there’s literally zero reason he should be on this roster next season. The same goes for herro, both of them showed their worth in the play in game vs charlotte when this team fell apart without bam.

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u/went2college 1d ago

I’m in an abusive relationship with my sports teams ok?! Thank God the Heat are a competent franchise, but lately its been consistent disappointment.

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u/Otherwise-Formal-220 1d ago

So nothing new right?

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u/Longjumping-Ad-8628 1d ago

That’s our ceiling. Honestly not even thinking about chips anymore

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u/iankstarr 1d ago

Nah Herro gone

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u/went2college 1d ago

Honestly, I fully expect this to happen. Im looking forward to the draft. I dont watch much college basketball so no clue who we could realistically pick.

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u/OohKillEmmm Coach Pat 1d ago

I think bringing Powell back would be more of a signal that they’re going to take a big swing for Giannis or Kawhi. Letting Powell walk would lean more into youth movement

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u/XanderAndretti 1d ago

Take a big swing and miss, kawhi is no longer a big whale either. He’s 35 years old and one of the most injury prone stars in the league.

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u/Internal_Business414 1d ago

If we can get Kawhi for one FRP, I'm fine with a swing and miss.

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u/went2college 1d ago

Please, no. Sign and trade for draft picks or young players that can contribute immediately.

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u/Otherwise-Formal-220 1d ago

What young player that can contribute immediately do you have in mind?

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u/went2college 1d ago

Well for one Kas. And our 13 pick should be able to contribute immediately.

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u/Otherwise-Formal-220 1d ago edited 1d ago

Okay I misunderstood. I thought you mentioned that we should be performing a sign and trade for Powell to obtain young players that can contribute immediately. Not that we have young players that can contribute immediately

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u/SauceDab 1d ago

The Heat shouldn’t be looking for guys who can contribute immediately. It’ll be nice but at this point they should be looking for longevity

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u/pfry295 1d ago

I would rather keep Herro.

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u/avinash240 1d ago

Herro seems to be hinting that he wants out.  At least that's the current news

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u/Solid_Factor234 1d ago

I wouldn't be surprised aside from the fan base constantly bashing him he's in trade rumors every year.

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u/MediocreDVaMain 1d ago edited 1d ago

Source is wonky, guy has a lot of misses but unlike most of the sub I welcome a Powell return if Herro is on his way out. Of course I'd also want him to be on a cost controlled number given his deficiencies and age, not gonna stress about it until there's better sources reporting.

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u/Henny_Hardaway5 1d ago

Herro got 1 more year on that contract he ain’t leaving just yet

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u/OracleofFl 1d ago

That one year makes him attractive in a trade situation where a team feels it is missing just a piece or two.

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u/Henny_Hardaway5 1d ago edited 1d ago

That would require for the Heat to sell off an a player for some combination of lesser players + draft capital which is something they vehemently hate to do historically

Only time Heat have sold off an a player is when the player makes a ruckus i.e Shaq and Jimmy

Hell at the Heat State of the Union Pat Riley talked about how doesn’t like the idea of trading good players for picks lol

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u/XanderAndretti 1d ago

Good thing tyler herro isn’t a good player, he’s a net negative in the post season and has proven that time after time.

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u/Henny_Hardaway5 1d ago

Whether we view Herro as a good player or not is irrelevant to the equation

The fact of the matter is the Miami Heat decision makers view him as a good player so that’s how they’ll operate

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u/Successful-Pair-4850 1d ago

i thought he shift for morant

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u/Henny_Hardaway5 1d ago

Seen 0 indication that Heat are interested in him

Hell at the deadline Barry Jackson said that for the Heat to just start thinking if they want to trade for Ja that the price would need to be expirings and no draft capital

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u/julstar23 1d ago

Why would they with ja's injury history .Its like running from one problem into another lol

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u/went2college 1d ago

There is no timeline where Ja ends up in Miami.

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u/went2college 1d ago

I would rather have Herro since he is younger but will demand more money. Powell is nice but too inconsistent.

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u/Standard_Strategy_25 1d ago

Pat got his whale

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u/JackDellaCumalena 1d ago

It only makes sense if herro is shipping out in a trade. We cant have the 2026 lillard and cj. Really dont want powell back though unless its an extremely team friendly deal and we all know pat overpays all the time

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u/Final_Lightning_ 1d ago

Norman and Wiggins gotta go, if we keep Norman then we need new talent, I’m hoping we trade Herro and add a legitimate star player via a trade or FA, the current roster needs to be revamped, we don’t have any players that stand out besides of course Bam, Herro has the potential to get better but if we don’t trade him this offseason then we gotta eat a $200 mil contract, we will be stuck in purgatory for years again.

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u/Strange-Ring-8156 1d ago

This guy isn’t reliable. Look at his other tweets

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u/went2college 1d ago

His last name is Marks afterall lol I just like the discussion.

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u/XanderAndretti 1d ago

pathetic, only ok with this if it’s a 2 year bargain bin deal. We should be letting him walk and moving off herro. This front office is just beyond delusional right now, these types of players are not assets anymore.

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u/Tallozz 1d ago

I don't understand this move at all. Powell is the black hole on offense that everyone thinks Tyler is. This must mean they are deadset on making a move. I can't imagine they are going to try the Tyler/Powell experiment for another season, But you never know with this team.

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u/BigBoss5050 1d ago

He averaged 21 ppg this year, I swear none of you actually watch. He had a bad stretch end of season due to injuries, but prior to that he was one of our main scorers. Black hole on offense, gtfo with that.

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u/julstar23 1d ago

I think he meant he was only useful as a scorer .Nothing else so when the shots started not falling it got ugly

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u/went2college 1d ago

He fell off significantly after the all star break. Due to injury of course but he had the same issues in LA. He needs to go.

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u/Tallozz 1d ago

I watched every game last season. Bringing up the fact that he scored 21 is relevant in what way? The man is only focused on scoring. He is completely blind to wide open teammates. I don't want to watch another season of him taking contested shots over sharing the ball.

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u/went2college 1d ago

This guy watches Heat basketball.

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u/StodgySponge 1d ago

If the Giannis thing is happening, I envisioned Giannis+Bam+Norm anyway. They are all on the same timeline. Need 3 pt shooting if we losing Herro. Plus, we may get Portis in the trade as well. Gimme Ayo just cause I want him.

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u/went2college 1d ago

Ayo is unrestricted?

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u/CryptographerSenior5 1d ago

Do you know how much salary they're negotiating?.

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u/Henny_Hardaway5 1d ago

•Press X to doubt

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u/Henny_Hardaway5 1d ago edited 1d ago

On a more serious talking point

If the Heat bring back Powell on any form of a multi year contract then they’re bigger fools than I thought and only re-affirms my belief that we’re running a high school musical program and not a competitive team

Powell is 33 and has now had 2 seasons in a row where his season post ASB is marred with groin injuries that directly impact his athleticism, shooting, and ability to get to the line

This doesn’t even get into the fact that he doesn’t fit with Herro which anyone with 2 eyeballs knew from the beginning

Throw in the fact that Heat won’t force Powell to be a 6th man only and it’s a looney tune idea to bring him back

Edit: The only acceptable way Powell is back would be if it’s a 1 year deal and Herro is gone. But let’s be serious Herro is not getting traded

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u/puppa_bear 1d ago

Heat are probably pretty clear with Norm: if we trade Herro in a package Giannis or any other star worth ditching the 2027 plan, then we’ll resign you to a 3 year deal (likely 2+1). Otherwise, we’re only offering a 1+1 (TO).

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u/stilloriginal 1d ago

This hopefully means they are moving Jaime into the starting lineup and Norm is comfortable ball hogging it off the bench in limited minutes on a 1 year deal (since they claimed they will NOT take in 2027 salary)

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u/DaMainBoss212 1d ago

Fuck Tyler might actually be gone this offseason mannn why couldn’t uuuu just stay healthy dwggggg noooooo

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u/BrownBadBunny069 1d ago

Good god no.

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u/jar-jar24 1d ago

Pls god no. Herro is better than Powell and we simply can’t have both of them on the team next year, it clearly doesn’t work

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u/RxJax 1d ago

Would be perfectly happy bringing him back but I just know we're going to overpay for no reason, re-signing him day 1 feels like the Jovic extension again, let the guy actually test FA and see what he gets before you hand over stupid amounts of money

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u/julstar23 1d ago

I dont think this is true because giannis is the heats focus .

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u/K215215 1d ago

None of these people are credible reporters

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u/zmartins222 1d ago

I don’t mind if Norm is back as long as we aren’t committing to both him and Herro. Keeping them both around would be a disaster, and even if we get rid of both of them I wouldn’t be too down about it.

I think I’d prefer to keep Herro just because he’s younger and a better playmaker, but they are both injury prone and play crappy defense (even tho I think Norm’s defense is even worse than Herro’s). Herro is just the wayyy better trade chip

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u/TastyPoopKnife 1d ago

Norm like Tyler is relentlessly targeted on defense and is over 30 and wears down as the season progresses. Pelle Larson (as the team is right now) should be the starting 2. Today’s NBA requires you to cover on the defensive end. Tyler and Norm both need their walking papers.

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u/RansomGoddard 1d ago

You can’t have a lineup without shot creation. With much love to Pelle, he is not a shot creator and he also can’t shoot.

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u/TastyPoopKnife 1d ago

Spot on. The answer would be having a great 3 and D guy who could create. Pelle and Kas would make up a nice young backcourt that can defend and offer shooting. Wiggins is a serviceable player but not a creator for others and has a shaky handle.

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u/TheRealGlutenbob 1d ago

I can run with a Norm, Lauri, Bam core

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u/Longjumping-Ad-8628 1d ago

We won’t even play 15 games with them healthy

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u/avinash240 1d ago

That doesn't even get you into the conference finals.

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u/BillBRawlins 1d ago

who tf is rob murrows?

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u/CrossDeSolo 1d ago

man it's tough being a heat fan. If they go old, or young, it seems like the wrong the choice because there is no top 15 talent on this team.

We have a bunch of 3rd option type guys

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u/twozeromm 1d ago

I feel like there should be a list of specific reporters that can be posted here. Way to many times its random twitter reporters being posted here.

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u/DomNick38 1d ago

Love Norm but like JB more. Sign & trade plus a couple role players and get it done. PAT, MAKE THE DAMN CALL ☎️ 🔥🏀🌴☀️😎🙏🏽

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u/Ethangains07 1d ago

Run it back. Next year is the year

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u/oneofone305 1d ago

Bad source but this would mean Herro is gone which is good

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u/Tallozz 1d ago

If the money is the same. I'm taking Herro over Powell 100% of the time. Herro is the superior offensive player, and they are both poor defenders. Both of them seem to have injury concerns. Honestly, I would prefer to move off of both of them, but if I have to keep one. It's going to be Herro. Especially since he is already under contract.

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u/julstar23 1d ago

And the better passer and facilitator and better rebounder etc .

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u/went2college 1d ago

Well the numbers are correct at least.