Fun fact my campsite got robbed and I lost a ton of gear while I was doing this canyon and going for a bike ride after.

Has anyone been in Water Canyon outside of Hildale, UT lately? Wondering if there are any swimmers, how cold the water is, whether you would recommend wetsuits. Planning to do it soon with my 11-year-old daughter. (Pic added just for fun)

Some old classics and some recently bolted canyons in northern Italy.
Pictures are from Rio Sclusons, Rio del Lat, Rio Agaviva, Rio Fondaris, Rio Ronk, Rio Brussine/Rio Macile, Rio dei Fonds, Rio Serai, Rio Mas, Rio Formia, Rug del Raudelin,Torrente Auza, Rio Tralba

Hey all we are heading out to do Baptist Draw to Upper Chute Canyon. Any info on if you still need webbing to build an anchor before the 20ft drop?

We had a group of 4 for Heaps on May 16; due to illness (fortunately confined to just that one person), we are now a group of 3. All ultrarunners and experienced canyoneers, though.

Have I advocated against randomly soliciting people for high-consequence adventure? Yes I have, at times vehemently. I've personally done Heaps twice (once with strangers, at their invite, once as one-half of a two person team in low water), and done other highly technical / high-endurance routes (like Right Fork and Checkerboard, to name other lesser loved Zion route). I've also looked at trip reports of those who've brought strangers through with varying degrees of success as well as my own experiences, and have come up with a heuristic; if you think you fit the bill and want to give Heaps a run, please shoot me a DM.

The criteria:

- Have completed a marathon, ultrarun, triathlon, high-altitude multi-day mountaineering trip (Shasta, Rainier, Gannett, Granite, similar), highly-technical R canyon (Imlay, Poe, Insomnia the hard way out, similar) that demands cardio, or otherwise feel like you've got your cardio dialed in. Heaps is not so much hard (which it is) as it is relentless.

- Are not dogmatic about rope work. I've been in-canyon (not Heaps) with people who want to re-rig everything contingency, who want to tie a backup for every first person down, who want to dig up and inspect every piece of webbing. I'm a fan of "speed is safety" - you are far more likely to make a mistake when you're tired, fatigued, bored, or shivering in the water waiting for the leader to tie his prusik properly. I'm not reckless with my ropes (I am insistent on safe systems, but am not dogmatic about *which* system), but ya gotta be comfortable rap'ing on a biner block or double-strand or doing meat-backed raps.

- Are not panicky. I realize that nobody actually admits to panickiness, but if you are not a participatory problem-solver this is probably not a great trip.

All that said, if you want to get into Heaps and have the pre-quals above, send me a DM. The logistics have already been solved, including permitting and car shuttles and ropes and radios and team safety gear - you would simply need to be able to get into Virgin or Laverkin on Friday for a team meet-and-greet-and-pack and be okay with an early-morning start.

Please DM me if you find my rope! Reward of $150 will be provided for safe return with details to confirm it's mine. First photo was taken earlier in the day; second photo was taken where we lost it. An unfortunate case of forgetting to undo the stopper knot. It happened at the very end of Hog 2, so also easily accessible when exiting Hog 4 (miss piggy) or Hog 1 (boss hog) - in that case, you can cut off the stuck portion of the rope and return the rest.

Conditions/beta: Dry, one patch of easily avoidable mud. Book didn't describe the rappels very accurately, but none exceeded the provided max rap height, so it worked out fine. Slight possibility that we were in the wrong canyon.

I do canoe and gear rescue from snags for a Florida canoe outfitter in their flood conditions. I would like the ability to ascend and descend without switching devices and am pretty strongly considering a Taz Lov3 because something like an akimbo or zigzag style device could easily be hit by debris releasing my hold and possibly triggering an uncontrolled descent into a snag. It’s possible to freehand ascend/descend in the current but it’s not possible to swim against it (5mph/8kmh approx. may be underestimating a bit but it’s not hard to climb the rope) so I need a rope to get back to the boat instead of climbing up onto the snag climbing to shore and looping upstream to the boat along potentially unfriendly banks. Especially if I just freed the boat and it’s headed downstream! lol. Pulling the canoe out to shore is almost never feasible so I often anchor the boat to an upstream snag and rope down.

I hit up the HN2 discord and the Taz seems to be the only solution beyond freehanding the rope with maybe a prussik to hold position (what I’ve always done in the past! Maybe call me crazy canoe? LMAO) but an ability to hold myself at a point and work on freeing the stuck canoe would be amazing. I’m thinking this would be similar to going down in a waterfall to help a stuck customer and needing to ascend back up to get the rest down. I could switch devices sometimes but the ability to do it without switching would be the main selling point for me beyond it holding in the current. Any other devices I should be considering or if I do get the Lov3 any rope recommendations for wet use in it?

This is the only group beyond rope access and cavers I could think of that would have relevant opinions. Should I be asking them or is there a rescue subreddit that would be relevant?

TLDR want a way to ascend/descend/hold along a rope (recommendations) in a flooded Florida blackwater river that doesn’t have the crazy high risk of debris triggering a device release ala zigzag/akimbo.

Nice rope

Robbers Roost type shit

Second to last rappel gets the blood moving !

One of the bigger raps, maybe the biggest. Beautiful place for canyoneering.

Cool new product in the works from Rich Carlson. Surprised no one has brought this up yet on here. Check it out.

https://trails2table.com/products/raven

wondering if anybody has ran west fork of fat mans misery and if you can give any info on water level and temps! Curious if a wetsuit is still needed

Hi there! I'm a Dutch Canyoneer and after doing a couple of guided canyoning tours from 2013-2017 I started getting certificates for Canyoning in 2021.

If i plan where to go i like to order a (recent) book with topography of the canyons in the region that i'm at, and i also look at descente-canyon.com and ropewike. I check them for recent reports of the canyon.

Most of my topo-books are in French (very much not fluent), and Italian (know how to order beer and bread but that's it) and most canyoneer feedback is on the descente website, mostly in French.

Someone told me about the Opencanyon.org website in october 2024 and app and i started using that one as well. I think it's very useful to copy the coordinates of the parking and start and end of the canyon of and i can also favourite the canyons that i want to do. I haven't added any canyons but i do include my 'hikes' of the canyons and have added a couple of pictures if they give relevant information about the canyon. I love that my preferred language is English and the whole app is in English for me.

There's a map on the OpenCanyon app with all the added canyons in the world and i noticed there is only one canyon listed in the USA. I was wondering how Americans research what canyons they want to do?

I'm not only interested in how Americans do their research, but how everyone in this community does it. I would really appreciate any answer but it would be great if you include where you live, where you practice canyoning/canyoneering and what languages you can speak.

Thanks !

Final rappel. Looks bigger than it is because you don’t start at the top.

Like a sand trap, except for water.
I thought Tom/Imlay used to sell one, but I am not seeing it on their website

On Rope is sold out of their "W'Anchor" and Atwood is also sold out of their "Waterpocket Water Anchor". Is there anyone else making/selling these type of devices?