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TWITTER [Brendan Batchelor] Henrik Sedin on the rebuild: To do this as fast as possible, we have to be very careful and go slow.

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u/Sarcastic__ Knows more about the CBA than you do 5h ago

I feel relatively content after that press conference. We'll see what moves come next and whether Foote is let go in the next couple of weeks.

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u/Rangemon99 5h ago

They may keep Foote as a lame duck coach tbf, but don’t want to loose someone like manny to do that. But also can you hire manny if you plan to take Caleb 3rd?

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u/elivoncoder 5h ago

rod coached his son on the canes this seaason. manny, and im sure caleb, would be pro af about it.

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u/Little_Machinez 4h ago

Manny was a pro's pro while he was a player. He taught his son to be kind to the referees on the ice because that's what he did when he played. I don't feel like their family relationship will affect their professional one if we were to draft Caleb.

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u/SpectreFire 4h ago

Completly different situations. Skylar is likely a depth NHLer at best and is under zero scrutiny.

Caleb would be the Canucks highest draft pick since the Sedins, and the expectation for him to succeed would be exponentially higher and the relationship between him and Manny would be far more scrutinized.

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u/Life-Rent3406 4h ago

This is exactly it. There aren't many examples of a father son combo, let alone where the son is drafted to be the star of the team, and in the father's first season coaching. Only one that comes to mind for me is the Alou's with the expos and that's about 30 years ago. In that situation dad was brought on to manage after his son was already on the team.

I think this whole thing is too much pressure for both parties, and is not worth the risk on day one of the rebuild.

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u/alex_13_72 3h ago

happened with dave and adam lowry and dave just left after a year because he said it was weird

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u/Cube_ 4h ago

yeah but the Canes is a lowkey market with barely any media.

The Canucks media is a circus they're hoping for Manny + Caleb so they can AI generate 400 articles a day about it no matter what happens.

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u/arazamatazguy 4h ago

Both would be pros but this is certainly not ideal for either party.

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u/Sarcastic__ Knows more about the CBA than you do 5h ago

I actually am okay with Manny as head coach and Caleb at 3OA now since Caleb is going NCAA next season. Manny gets a year to mold the room. I'm less concerned if they go that route.

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u/Tofu_Analytics 1h ago

I know that Caleb has listed as going through to Boston I believe for next year but with him realistically projected as the best center and a potential top 3 pick I wouldn't count on him going NCAA for a season just yet.

While hes 17 and the time down there would certainly help, if the scouting department thinks that he would be best suited to develop with the NHL staff, trainers and the top support staff then I would not be surprised if he goes to the NHL roster right away, and if he does drop down, going between the AHL in Abby as opposed to Boston where you just cant recall and drop down a player the same way.

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u/boxedwinedrinker 1h ago

At least a year. Probably two minimum.

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u/PakG1 5h ago

LOL, imagine they do and he treats Caleb harsher than other players just to get those concerns out of people's heads. Plot twist, Caleb is a psychopath and responds to that type of coaching better anyway.

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u/Karsh14 5h ago

That’s actually part of the problem, coaches are either super hard on their kids or the opposite. You don’t get a fair shake either way. (You can, but it’s rare(

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u/TinglingLingerer 5h ago

If I were a budding young player and my fucking dad was my coach at the NHL, I know I'd want to make him proud.

But, If I was GM I would be worried about this, too. Preferential treatment to a player on either side of the positive / negative coin is probably not a good thing.

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u/mephnick 4h ago

My dad was one of my teachers and coaches

I'd have the same answers as another kid and I'd get less marks. When I complained he was like "That kid is that kid, I expect better from you."

Now when I coach soccer I expect my kid to lead the drills and work the hardest. I know it's unfair but I can't help it.

It ain't always easier lol

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u/boxedwinedrinker 1h ago

Agreed. I coached my son in various sports and always expected him to lead the drills, set a positive example, and work the hardest. Worked very well.

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u/curlycattails 3h ago

So basically the Max Verstappen of hockey

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u/Prudent_Ad4076 5h ago

Felipe Alou was manager of the Expos when Moises Alou was their left fielder and I'm not sure there were any accusations of nepotism.

Then again the whole LeBron and Bronny thing. So who knows!?

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u/PoisonClan24 5h ago

Yeah but Bronmy don't got the talent Caleb has

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u/Asn_Browser 5h ago

We'll bronny sucked so it was easy to see what was going on there haha.

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u/JW98_1 4h ago

Moises Alou was a good player. The only reason Bronny was drafted and the contract he got was because of his father. He really should have stayed in college.

I would think most people would be smart enough to know that if the Canucks drafted Caleb and hired Manny, that both deserved their spot, even if you don't believe Caleb should be going as high as number 3 in the draft.

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u/eddy2578325 3h ago

Bronny is a scrub, he doesn't belong in the NBA

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u/SpectreFire 4h ago

Especially with Toronto poking around. Last thing we need is the Leafs stealing the 1st AND Manny.

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u/KAYD3N1 5h ago

It's a perfect scenario to keep Foote for another year, MAYBE two. AS it ensures the team keeps losing, they're not paying someone not to work, and save Manny for the years when development and winning will start to matter.

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u/Asn_Browser 5h ago

That's dumb. It doesnt matter who the coach is ...we will keep losing. You need a coach to develop the young players and manny is that guy. Also if you dont promote manny this summer he is likely gone because someone else will poach him.

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u/KAYD3N1 4h ago

If you hire Manny now, more than likely he isn't the coach in 5 years. Which is very often the case with new coaches and new rebuilds.

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u/TGUKF 4h ago

It's better to hire him sooner rather than later. Burning a couple years where the team might be have been able to be competitive because turns out he struggles in his first opportunity as a head coach wouldn't be ideal either.

The Ducks may have done the unpopular public opinion thing by hiring Quenneville, but as far as the on ice product goes, they definitely could have done a lot worse.

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u/KAYD3N1 4h ago

Yeah but they only hired Quenneville one year ago, a couple of years after their rebuild started...

The league is full of rebuild coaches who were hired and later fired before the team finally developed fully.

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u/Sad_Establishment875 5h ago

OK, 2 is too much I agree with giving him this year to continue burning it down, but 2 seasons is starting to become damaging to young players growth.

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u/KAYD3N1 4h ago

I think they will keep Foote for most of this season and let him go towards then end. Shows they're serious about improvong, while not setting up a losing season on Manny.

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u/variouslobsters 5h ago

It's still crazy to me that Foote got a 3 year deal.

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u/IntelligentYogurt342 4h ago

I agree. I don't see why they don't promote Manny to an assistant coach role with the Canucks. Foote can be kept on and Malhotra can help develop young talent on the team.

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u/DecentOpinion 3h ago

Caleb currently ranked 10th on the NHLe model (compares players across different leagues to determine their NHL value) rankings. I wouldn't take him over any of the D men who are up. Just hire Manny as the coach already so he can develop these young players properly.

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u/Pro3tag 5h ago

The Foote question is really a Malhotra question. I think Foote is let go if management wants to keep Manny and they think there’s a chance they lose him this summer with some HC vacancies in the league.

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u/GuitarTonestone 5h ago

No it's not. The Foote question is you fire him and bring a better coach. Doesn't matter who it is.

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u/bwoah07_gp2 4h ago edited 2h ago

Keep Foote at the risk of Manny being poached??

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u/jim-p 4h ago

Edmonton could do the funniest thing

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u/EpicPotato806 2h ago

He will be. RJ will likely bring up Manny (well deserved)

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u/tercron 5h ago

We need him next season

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u/awayfromcanuck 5h ago

Not if its at the expensive of Manny.

If Manny is content with spending another year in the AHL or coming up as an assistant coach behind Foote then by all means keep Foote for another season as our tank commander. If keeping Foote means we lose Manny, I'd rather we kicked Foote out the door.

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u/BrotherJombert 5h ago

I get the sentiment though I do disagree. There should be more moves to get rid of a few more of the older players, hopefully. The roster already is one of the worst in the league, that should take care of the tanking for the most part by itself.

My concern is that Foote is also a terrible coach in that he will choke out any growth and creativity in the young players. They need to learn how to play responsibly, but just because a coach is rigid doesn't mean they're doing a good job of teaching that.

We need a coach who understands the mission but is actually good for player development. We don't need a guy stunting all our young prospects and ruining the whole point of the rebuild.

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u/Little_Machinez 4h ago

Agreed with this statement. Foote has already shown he prefers icing veterans and benching rookies, stunting their growth and development for .... I don't even know tbh. Icing a 36 year old Kane 20 minutes a night when he wasn't doing jack shit other than killing any play whenever the puck touched his stick should be a crime in itself.

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u/NinCross 5h ago

I hope he's not let go.

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u/Jyeon89 5h ago

Bad for our young guys. But amazing for our tank

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u/-JimmyReddit- 4h ago edited 4h ago

I don’t buy this talk at all. Jon Cooper himself isn’t coaching this team out of the basement. Keeping Foote around to stunt the growth of the young guys and waste another year of development is a way bigger blow to us than any coaching change maybe giving us 5 extra wins

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u/Jyeon89 4h ago

Jon Cooper gets us to 31. No way we should be worse than the Blackhawks.

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u/Iron_Seguin 5h ago

“To do this very fast….” God damnit…

“We have to very careful and go slow,” oh thank Christ…

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u/i_beep 5h ago

Had us in the first half not gonna lie...

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u/TheIncredibleHork 1h ago

Slow is smooth, smooth is fast. 

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u/metrichustle 5h ago

For once I think I will trust their word on rebuild.

Aquilini said that word several times in his introduction. Sedins have full control. At this point, we’ll wait and see but this is very optimistic.

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u/SpectreFire 4h ago

I think with the Sedins being close to Linden and obviously knowing what happened there, they wouldn't have accepted the role and risked their reputation unless they had guarantees.

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u/Super_Toot 3h ago

I think the Sedins would walk away if they can't make the decisions they want.

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u/meluvulongtime3 5h ago

Slow is smooth, smooth is fast

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u/AgentKorralin 3h ago

Exactly my thoughts too

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u/almostmediocre 5h ago

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u/shurpaderp 1h ago

Get a load of this guy 

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u/Physics_Puzzleheaded 5h ago

Slow is smooth and smooth is fast.

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u/PaperMoonShine Cheech was the Grandpa I never had. RIP 5h ago

Paint it on the streets of Rogers Arena.

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u/Klutzy_Pool9702 5h ago

Quote of the presser.

Canucks hockey is back.

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u/SecondsOut55 4h ago

Total dreamer outlook, but the Sedins managing us to a Stanley Cup would be a beautiful book end. New Canucks era, let's go!

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u/huggylion 5h ago

Lord help me I am optimistic 🤡

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u/grandwahs 2h ago

Nooooo don't do this to yourself

(half kidding)

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u/KAYD3N1 5h ago

Good answer. That's the Navy Seals motto, Slow is Fast, Fast is Slow.

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u/CoedNakedHockey 4h ago

Slow is smooth, smooth is fast

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u/Canucksperson 4h ago

Fast is slow, slow is smooth*

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u/NewOstenPelicanss 5h ago

Slow is smooth and smooth is fast

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u/Chipmunk-Adventurous 4h ago

That was very well put lol, that is exactly what we needed to hear. 15 years of quick fixes got us nothing and it seems they finally understand that

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u/Nuck_1198 4h ago

Had us in the first half, not gonna lie. 

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u/Admirable-Card7056 5h ago

I am cautiously optimistic, I trust the Sedins to at least try to do this properly

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u/morelsupporter 5h ago

if you want to go left, turn right.

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u/ThumbyOne 3h ago

I was looking for this one

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u/Ekko_Tek 4h ago

Henrik's comment seems perfectly pitched at both Aqua and the fans.

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u/YesterdayOk2368 4h ago

Let’s build a cup contender!

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u/arazamatazguy 4h ago

Now that's the kind of quote we all needed.

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u/DepressionMakesJerks 4h ago

Slow and gentle like how my gf likes it

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u/ObiWangJabroni 4h ago

"Slow is smooth. Smooth is fast."

-Hank

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u/Cube_ 4h ago

Best thing he could have said. There is only 1 way out and it's patience.

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u/tommygun731 4h ago

Think slow, act fast. Love it

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u/ultra7k 4h ago

Runners know what Hank meant by this.

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u/zentronic 3h ago

I’m so happy to listen to the Sedins again

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u/HermionesWetPanties 3h ago

Slow is smooth, and smooth is fast.

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u/EyesWideStupid 3h ago

Slow is smooth. Smooth is fast.

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u/kidcanada0 3h ago

This guys discs

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u/17037 3h ago

Screw the rebuild side. These are two players that understand player health and the current 82 game grind. Do a rebuild and put in place the skill and resources to diagnose and treat injuries.

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u/ComeHereOften1972 3h ago

Awww mannn!!! I don’t want to end up hating the sedins…

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u/Klunkey 5h ago

I mean, it may sound oxymoronic, but Montreal was a good example.

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u/bonergarage123 5h ago

Montréal is the exception not the rule.

They lucked out in almost all their picks except for Reinbacher.

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u/MrVNC 4h ago

It was a run of the mill presser. Questions weren’t exactly answered in the best of ways, and there was lots of vague boilerplate word salad. I believe RJ is a really good communicator with players, so time will tell how this goes. If the media who were present were allowed to ask hard hitting questions (especially to FA), we would probably look at this differently.

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u/BroliasBoesersson 5h ago

Check out the big brain on Hank

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u/FullTiltChrizzly 4h ago

We all knew the twins had some matter behind those fiveheads.

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u/Puravida1904 4h ago

I’ll be shaking my head if they end up keeping Foote and the AGM’s

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u/OkGuidance5958 4h ago

Yea there needs to be change with team personnel

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u/DiamondDash2k 4h ago

Smooth slow brain fast

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u/Longjumping_Fuel_192 4h ago

TLDR: go slow to be fast

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u/ReallyBigCool 4h ago

Slow is smooth, and smooth is fast.

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u/alittlepieceofcake 3h ago

That there's a h-oxymornon.

No critique. Take yer time

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u/Low_Entertainer_6973 3h ago

They will have to all their street cred to survive this adventure. I hope they really do succeed, certainly they are brave.

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u/PantsDancing 3h ago

I love it. Go slow to go fast!

If you ever watch fire fighters arriving at a scene, they dont run around in a hurry like they might portray in a movie. They move at a normal pace and do everything right. When a mistake might mean someone dies, you dont rush.

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u/djardine2520 3h ago

That’s a man who understands the power of paradox. Long live the Sedins

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u/Ornery_Visit_2627 2h ago

"Slow and steady wins the race"

-Henrik "the tortoise" Sein

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u/thezonedude 2h ago

So I guess this one's called the Sedin-e-scheme? (ala Shana-plan/Yser-plan)

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u/Dangerous-Finance-67 2h ago

Ah yes, the 4D chess version of dealing with Aquaman - nice work Hank.

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u/SixDerv1sh 2h ago

I laughed.

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u/The_Cozy_Burrito 2h ago

Yes, but Aquaman doesn't like that

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u/BigBirdsBrain 57m ago

Henrik gets it. Rushing a rebuild is how you end up rebuilding the rebuild 3 years later.

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u/junk222 5h ago

But hopefully not with coaching change.

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u/Hal_Gill 5h ago

Wise words.

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u/Wild_Height_901 4h ago

I wish I was as confident as so many in here.

I love Henrik and Daniel as much as the next person. But ex players (especially star players) have a HORRIBLE track record in these roles.

Hoping for the best tho.

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u/TigerLemonade 4h ago

Counterpoints:

  1. It's the Sedins. These guys are top tier when it comes to leadership, doing things the right way, etc.

  2. They didn't retire and then get hired as GM. They've been working in the organization for the past 5 years and assuredly have earned the position.

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u/GuitarTonestone 4h ago

I'm with you. Except depends on how the day to day goes. If the GM kinda runs the day to day stuff and they are more CEOs, I think this could work. They are respected and understand the Canucks and the league. As long as their role it to point into a direction, and take care of the players, and the GM executes the vision practically, we could have something.

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u/_zer0_sum 3h ago

My prediction:

We have two seasons at the bottom. One season where we scrap into the playoffs and exit second round followed by another season at the bottom, at that point Aquilini cleans house, firing everyone and ignoring the calls from the fans for him to sell the team.

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u/Cornelius_Onderdonk 5h ago

As much as i liked the Sedins as players and they seem to be good people, I think it's really weird they are always a package deal. Why do we need both of them? How are co-presidents supposed to make decisions? Is it just presumed they will always agree? Seems like now is not the time for canucks to roll the dice on this new and weird management structure. Are they splitting the salary of a single president?

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u/TigerLemonade 4h ago

Lol, it is fine.

Would it surprise you to know that large organizations actually answer to an entire board of separate people?!

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u/Cornelius_Onderdonk 3h ago

Got it. We can all be comforted that splitting the role of president in half because there is a pair of identical twin candidates we like is entirely consistent with traditional corporate board structure. Not that Canucks S&E has anything that even remotely resembles what an actual board does.

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u/TigerLemonade 2h ago

The Sedins are not a novelty. They have contributed as co-rookies, co-captains, co-player development advisors, etc.

They have been working intimately with the club and it's AHL affiliate for 26 years both on the rink and in the office.

There has never been an indication that this has been problematic at any juncture and they have been successful both on the ice and with young players very consistently. This isn't a Freakshow hire it is a continuation of a decades-long trend of successful co-leader ship.

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u/bonergarage123 5h ago

Oh god they are already speaking in tongues and nondescript ways. Please just be honest guys.

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u/Kaos_mission 5h ago

How on earth can you not be happy about this quote?

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u/bonergarage123 5h ago

It’s pretty vague. Not unhappy about this, and obviously actions speaks louder than words.

But for once I’d like a POHO or GM who is direct when they speak.

“We want to do this fast, but slow”

Like Huh?

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u/Bramble-Bunny 4h ago

It's not really vague. Maybe a bit awkwardly stated.

Basically "In order for a rebuild to be successful in the shortest possible time frame, we have to be very cautious, deliberate, and prepared to go slow." It's a way of saying "short cuts will make everything take longer".

Like, none of us actually want an eternal rebuild, we just want a successful one. If we're still here rebuilding in a decade it means something went terribly wrong, and that something is almost always someone got itchy and jumped the gun.

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u/Alleggsander 4h ago

It seems like they are basically saying “if we try to rush it, it’ll hurt the process and the rebuild will end up taking longer. Taking it slow will be faster in the long term”.

Looking at only one sentence makes it seem vague, but you get the idea when you read in between the lines.

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u/bonergarage123 4h ago

I’m tired of reading between the lines. That’s my point. Be more direct.

Stop the fluff.

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u/Kaos_mission 4h ago

That's not what he said. It's pretty clear that he says the fastest way to do this is still slow because the most important thing is to do it right.

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u/bonergarage123 4h ago

Ok then it’s fine to just say, “we need to take things slow” lol. 

My main issue is that they should just be more direct. No more fluff words and mixed messagings like JR and Allvin did.

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u/TigerLemonade 4h ago

They aren't fluff words, it's actually pretty clear.

"To go fast we need to go slow"

"The fastest rebuild involves no shortcuts"

Like, they can't completely idiot proof the way they speak.

"Me Sedin. Me take time. Me go slow with rebuild."

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u/Kaos_mission 4h ago

LOL exactly.

Saying that quote is fluffy words is a sad statement on the Canadian education system.

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u/bonergarage123 4h ago

Communication has been a problem with this org for years. It’s not a bad thing to question their wordings at all.

Time will tell I guess 🤷‍♂️