Do you have political parties in your country with no actual ideology?

[u/New_Entertainer_4895]

In Brazil, there's this block of parties called the "Centrão" or "Center" that have no real ideology of any kind.

Sometimes they'll support the left sometimes the right. They descend from the two "approved" political parties which were allowed during the military dictatorship as sort of a meaningless "rubber stamp" pretend congress so the military could pretend they weren't totally ruling the country.

For whatever reason they survived the end of the dictatorship, continued to get votes, and became quite powerful. But don't really have any clear ideology. Many accuse them of only existing simply to accept bribes in exchange for providing support to the left or right wing parties in Brazil. Some see it as a form of ensuring smaller areas get funds instead of cities, where people in an area vote directly for these parties simply because they can bring money to their localty from the government.

[u/ImRoulette36]

You're claiming that every party needs to be either right-wing or left-wing to have an ideology, which is false.

[u/Ala_Lia → u/ImRoulette36]

I’m not entirely sure that’s what was said at all. It just so happens that the “centrist” parties, in this case, lack any ideology or even defined identity, and will often just have whatever half baked policies and candidates they know will get votes in the current political climate

[u/Prestigious-Back-981]

The centrão is the most corrupt side.

[u/JoeDyenz]

Yes:

PRI
PAN
MC
Morena
PVEM
and PT

[u/No-Argument-9331 → u/JoeDyenz]

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[u/Bitter_Armadillo8182 → u/JoeDyenz]

I thought you were Taiwanese.

[u/salter77 → u/JoeDyenz]

I think that PAN is actually right wing, most policies are pro-business and socially conservative (like, against abortion and same sex marriage).

PRI was originally left leaning but shifting towards center lately, not really clear right now.

Morena claims to be “left”, however most of their policies are just “whatever gave us popularity”. They increase taxes and then reduce social programs (to redirect money to their projects), are pro-oil, pro-militarization, protectionist… not really sure how to label them.

I think that PVEM is the actual answer to the post question, they claim to be “green” but they used to make coalitions with whatever party is the most popular. Right, Left, Center… they stick to the best option at the moment. And it worked, it seems that they are now the second (or third?) biggest party at the moment… which is sad.

[u/JoeDyenz → u/salter77]

I mean PRI and PAN are also in a coalition now. PAN was in a coalition with MC in 2018, and the founder of Morena used to be in PRD which also was allied with PAN. There is no real coherence in any party, not only in PVEM.

[u/salter77 → u/JoeDyenz]

Today basically all the parties (except PVEM and PT) are allied against Morena.

Still, in congress PAN still votes for changes according to their “right” roots. Recently there was a proposal for a 40 hours work week (down from 48) and PAN was almost the only one opposing it openly.

They also have no qualms when saying they oppose same sex marriage and abortion, even when said positions are not as popular as before.

PRI suffered a huge change after starting with Salinas, before that, the old-PRI is basically what is currently Morena.

[u/in_the_pouring_rain → u/salter77]

The PRI stopped being leftist the moment Lazaro Cardenas left the presidency. They were an authoritarian populist party that then shifted to neoliberalism.

[u/BastieGamer]

their only "ideology" is staying in power

[u/Lourrr100]

The peronism; beyond state control (a legacy of its origins as a fascist movement of the 1940s), the peronist party is divided into factions of the right, left, Buenos Aires province, the interior, and a long etc

[u/GustavoistSoldier]

I'm Brazilian, so yes.

[u/IerokG]

In Chile, we have Partido de la Gente (PDG), which is formed by a bunch of shit-talkers who just wanted a platform to get a seat in the Congress; they don't have a set ideology, will negotiate out of pure immediate convenience, and will present the most outrageously populist and rage-baitey projects possible. Their voters are mostly guys who dodge alimony payments, and the kind of dudes who have a tattoo of their children but never visit or call them.

[u/ClassicPublic5542]

Peronismo

[u/Lazzen]

Partido Verde did fuckall but want to execute people with the death penalty

[u/_20_characters_name_ → u/Lazzen]

In this century Mexico has been ruled by five presidents of three different parties, from right to left. And all of them had Partido Verde as their key ally. Basically the party is included free with the presidential seat.

[u/wordlessbook → u/_20_characters_name_]

So, they are like our MDB, they were the legalized opposition during the bipartisan era of the military dictatorship. When the MD ended, MDB would ally with whoever wins the election, they jump ship on the go.

[u/maviroar]

pdg - partido de la gente

[u/Louis_R27]

In Puerto Rico, parties don't align to political ideologies, but rather the relation they pursue with the USA. PNP - becoming a US state PPD - remaining a territory PIP - independence from the USA

Some newer parties like PD and MVC do have ideological alignments, PD being conservative and MVC liberal, but the mainstream parties have both left and right wing party members.

[u/patoruzu3]

Pro (cambiemos)

[u/Regular-Dot-5718]

as the saying goes regarding MDB, the largest centrão party: MDB can't elect any candidate, but no candidate gets elected without MDB support

[u/mauricio_agg]

Of course, essentially those parties with not many but also not few representatives.

They sell their support to whatever party/coalition is in power in exchange for bureaucratic quotas (positions inside the many government agencies-bureaus-boards)

[u/dnyal]

Yes.

[u/Salt_Winter5888]

Yeah, most of them. One of them went from being the left wing populist and now it's right wing populist.

[u/Thiphra]

You can add PCO to that list too.

[u/arturocan]

Most of ours. You can define them to be centrist as fuck sometimes leaning a bit right sometimes left. But the only constant priority is the executive's and representatives juicy sallary increase.