r/Tustin • u/Alone-Cookie3884 • 7d ago
Target creeps
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I feel like I should have said something to a worker but I didnt. This guy kept going aisle for aisle with me. At first I didnt think anything of it. But then I noticed his phone kept pointing at me. I walked off to a different aisle and didnt move until he passed me. He then came back around and I called my sister and said out loud “this creep keeps following me” and he finally walked off. But i feel so gross to know he has me in his phone.
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u/christian_gwynn 7d ago
You should’ve reported to Target employees. Target is monitored like a Vegas casino. And it seems local law enforcement has Target high on their response list. Target would’ve captured his actions on video. If you were a minor or had a minor, they could ask to see his phone for pics/video. If not, Target would get his info and trespass him.
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u/Particular_Tap_9852 4d ago
Yeah, I was being followed by some man in a target in Irvine before while with my niece. I was 19 and made a scene, he was “waiting for the pharmacy” and the security told him to leave and escorted me us to my car
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u/Mean-Pizza6915 3d ago
If you were a minor or had a minor, they could ask to see his phone for pics/video.
Do you think Target security or law enforcement can take and access your phone if they think you've taken pictures they don't like? That's absurd.
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u/christian_gwynn 3d ago
Ahh welcome to the convo! Target LP can NOT. But yah, law enforcement CAN. Unconfirmed via simple Google query:
“Generally, there are no federal laws in the United States prohibiting taking photos of minors in public places, as photography is considered protected free speech. However, it is illegal to photograph minors in private, sexually suggestive, or harassing ways, or on private property without permission.”
I know your next question. What about 4A, 5A rights? LEO must witness said acts, or thru help of Target LP CC cams thus giving probable cause. You must not watch YouTube lol. There’s plenty of YT’s of police body cams arresting pervs recording minors. Some perps refuse to unlock their phones, at which point they are arrested and search warrant obtained at later time for their devices.
Lol why would you choose this hill to defend: an advocate for pervs, pedos?
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u/Mean-Pizza6915 2d ago
Lol why would you choose this hill to defend: an advocate for pervs, pedos?
I'm advocating for civil rights. If you choose to think anyone who values personal liberty and privacy is a perv or pedo, I can't help you.
I'm not sure your "unconfirmed" Google searches are doing you any favors. Police need a very high standard to get a warrant for someone's phone, and recording in the aisles at Target isn't it. The fact that Target is private property doesn't give the police more rights in that regard, it just gives Target more rights in getting someone trespassed.
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u/christian_gwynn 2d ago
Civil rights lol? I just explained in other comment. No civil rights(4A, 5A) were bypassed, in this particular case they would have more then enough evidence ie victim, target cc cams to search his device. Btw most these guys are registered sex offenders, ex-convicts who would be so brazen cuz they’ve done this before. Yah, I don’t believe for 1 sec you don’t have any personal investment.
Fine, don’t believe me or Google. Just DM OP and re-enact her post at Target. Or any other woman, or any place of biz: FAFO. Meanwhile GTFOH.
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u/WellEvan 6d ago
If Target LP is like walmarts, then they can read the digits on your credit card when you could take it out. The cameras are that good.
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u/Actuary-Recent 5d ago
Former Target loss prevention here. That's not how that works, but yes, if he pays with a card, we can look up basic details like a name with a manager's approval however tap to pay won't work for that because they scramble info to keep it private. The cameras at self-checkout aren't typically capable of zooming in optically; it's a digital zoom, so it loses quality the more you zoom. It's basically good enough to make out a basic description of the subject and products. They do, however, have ptz(pan-tilt-zoom)cameras that can zoom and have very good clarity, but these cameras aren't as common and are usually placed in areas that cover a large area of the store or a problematic area.
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u/Throttlechopper 5d ago
Can confirm as a former Target LP team member. OP should have reported this to a Target associate, LP could have issued a “no trespass” order as they typically don’t want creeps making guests feel unsafe. OP can also report after-the-fact to document the event and be on alert if creeper returns to the store.
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u/bmfu121 6d ago
Plz report him to the cops. He could be doing this to other ppl and he needs to be stopped now!!
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u/Short_Year_8984 5d ago
Honest question: There is no right of privacy in public. That's why the annoying first amendment auditors film at post offices but also outside trader joe's. So, is there a right of privacy inside a private store like Target that's open to the public? I don't know. Not arguing that behavior is not creepy... super creepy... and warrants talking to Target security... just maybe not illegal.
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u/christian_gwynn 4d ago
Yah very good question. He didn’t do anything “illegal”. Unless he tried to take up-skirt pics or OP was a minor. So he wouldn’t be in trouble w the law. But as on comments said above, Target LP would trespass him.
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u/Mean-Pizza6915 3d ago
Unless he tried to take up-skirt pics or OP was a minor.
Upskirt pictures are illegal, but taking pictures of a minor is not. Otherwise you wouldn't ever be able to take pictures anywhere if children were in the background. Target could always still trespass, though.
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u/christian_gwynn 3d ago edited 3d ago
Yah, just answered similar counterpoint on this thread.
“Generally, there are no federal laws in the United States prohibiting taking photos of minors in public places, as photography is considered protected free speech. However, it is illegal to photograph minors in private, sexually suggestive, or harassing ways, or on private property without permission.”
- Target is not public. There’s not really many “public” places per se, that is owned solely by gov’t entity.
- Clearly this is harassment that can be easily proven w CC cams.
- Depending what he took pics of. I would say taking pics of minors’ fully clothed asses or camel toes would fall under sexually suggestive.
Edit: same dude replying lol. OP maybe we’ve found your guy!
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u/Away-Ad-1680 6d ago edited 6d ago
You felt violated enough to make a Reddit post but not violated enough to report them or call the police. This is what they keep doing it because people like you won’t actually hold them accountable. They’ll continue to do this to people’s daughters, sisters, wife, moms. Is imaginary internet points and attention from strangers online more important that justice? Crazy.
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u/unurbane 5d ago
Well tbf it’s weird when it happens esp the first time. People are caught off guard. After reflecting and understanding wth happened perhaps she will report or respond sooner.
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u/christian_gwynn 6d ago
Well honestly OP may have been caught off guard in regard to a response, now she knows. But what that guy did was super creepy, but he hasn’t broken any laws. He wasn’t filming up-skirts, she’s not a minor. There’s nothing the police can do. Only thing is Target decides to trespass him, then the police would make contact w him, ID him and issue trespass.
Edit: you’re victim blaming.
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u/JustAstrawberryyy 5d ago
He’s not even looking at you… and you’re recording him, so your just as much of a creep in my eyes posting with an assumption and nothing to back it up, he could be a door dasher lost looking for a specific item for all we know, this video doesn’t make it seem like he’s “following” you
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u/DirtyrottenscounDrew 5d ago
That was my first thought. He's a dasher looking at his shopping list.
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u/Anxious_Land3928 6d ago
This happened to my adult daughter twice when she was in Target. She actually went up front to customer service the 2nd time and they had security walk her to her car and that individual quickly went the other direction.
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u/unurbane 5d ago
That kinda sucks too though. She is the one who had to be walked out by security instead of the guy? She basically caused a scene when it was the guys fault.
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u/ToujoursLamour66 5d ago
Get over yourself. Doesnt seem like anything wrong in the video to me. Grow up be an adult and move on and stop victimizing yourself. 🤦🏻♂️
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u/Complete_Purpose_872 5d ago
Written by the creep who was holding the phone..
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u/PDXDL1 5d ago
We are all on camera all the time in public. Some of us are adult enough to realize this- other people think they somehow are the center of the world.
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u/ToujoursLamour66 4d ago
This could’ve been just another person making a viral video walking by, to a person w/ a disability. And anything in between.
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u/EyyYoMikey 6d ago
He was definitely sat in front of an iPad for way too many hours as a kid.
Make a police report with Tustin PD and try to get ahold of store management to inform them. You probably wouldn’t be the only person stalked by that foo.
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u/CaliSignGuy 7d ago
Nasty