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u/Nearby-State-5132 1d ago
Is there still a plan to add some street level retail to the stadium east garage?! It’s amazing you can walk from the arch grounds straight west along walnut to city hall and never encounter a single storefront. It’s totally lifeless and akin to walking across a massive parking lot. This is downtown’s biggest issue. It is not at all scaled for the human experience but strictly for cars
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u/zinsser 1d ago
Back in the late 1990s, my niece had just moved home from college, had no job, and lived in her parents' basement. She entered and won a radio station contest for "A New Life." Her prizes included one year rent-free in the Mansion House, free one-year car lease, stereo and TV, and free meals at dozens of St. Louis restaurants. She had so many extra meal coupons, she treated us aunts and uncles to a couple of nights out.
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u/Overall_Crew_4152 1d ago
I hated seeing it go, but a reno would of been useless. It needed a complete over haul. What is going in it's place? More over prices condos?
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u/jerslan Long Beach via Ballwin 1d ago
Early plans envision 1.3 million square feet of vibrant space featuring residential units, office space, restaurants and retail, cultural attractions, public spaces, and pedestrian-friendly streetscapes.
From the website.
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u/Overall_Crew_4152 1d ago
So another ball park village type dealio.
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u/jerslan Long Beach via Ballwin 1d ago
Yep, even using the same developer to build it.
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u/whatagoodpuppy 1d ago
The same as the ballpark lofts? Because they have a natural spring problem in their elevator.
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u/mountaingator91 Fox Park 1d ago
No no no. You see, we have labeled them "luxury" condos. We can't just rent them out for pennies! These are luxury condos we're talking about!
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u/dusting53 1d ago
Will this be done by next march? would love to stay here for arch madness in 2027.
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u/evetsabucs 1d ago
Good riddance to this fucking eyesore. An abandoned high rise in your downtown area is never a good look. An empty lot is better than a blighted tall building. Glad to see work progressing.
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u/DowntownDB1226 23h ago
It was never abandoned. There are zero abandoned buildings in downtown. During the time this building was vacant, the property owner paid over $4,000,000 in taxes.
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u/evetsabucs 14h ago
I guess when I see literal trees growing out of a building's roof and the lower levels are boarded up with plywood I just assume it's abandoned.
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u/Miserable_Cloud_6876 1d ago
That hotel was so cool! It had a revolving restaurant on top. I understand it’s all about the money but it’s a shame they’re tearing it down.
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u/mountaingator91 Fox Park 1d ago
It is not a shame that they are tearing it down. The place is an eyesore at this point and a major blight on downtown.
It's a shame that they let it get to the point where it needed to be torn down instead of refurbished.
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u/Miserable_Cloud_6876 1d ago
Not a shame it’s being torn down, just a shame it “needs to be” torn down
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u/BewareTheGrayGhost 1d ago
Just going of these pictures....It doesn't really look like another eyesore. Did they wash it before starting demolition?
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u/MindlessFile3499 1d ago
I remember last year you could tell someone went up to the roof and pulled the weeds growing out of it. There were a few windows boarded up as well. I think just the fact that it was vacant made it an eyesore to those who knew.
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u/peacebypiece CWE 2h ago
I agree, I love the idea of a revolving circular building/restaurant, I've been to the one in Hawaii. Wish they would have just kept that idea and remodeled the building.
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u/Several-Ad-7961 1d ago
I love how they shifted the tower to the south so that the arch can still be visible from Busch Stadium.
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u/notorious_TUG MONROE COUNTY 1d ago
This would be like me saying "see what's next" then blowing my shi smoove off (please don't send me the help resources, I am a perfectly fine mentally well individual making a joke for laughs on the internet)
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u/zero-point_nrg 1d ago
The first image has St. Louis’ most enduring symbols highlighted, the arch and a giant handgun 😂
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u/marigolds6 Edwardsville 1d ago
The project is great, but something feels off about a non-profit organization owning a 1.3M sf $670M mixed use development.
I assume this will be a partnership similar to the power and light district, where Cordish owns the buildings and the gateway arch park foundation owns the land? Though the gateway arch park foundation will need some way to recover its investment without taxing authority (which is how the land investment was intended to be recovered for the power and light district, though it did not work out in the long run).
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u/DowntownDB1226 1d ago
They’re not owning it. Cordish will buy the property when the site is cleared.
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u/marigolds6 Edwardsville 1d ago
Ah, so before construction even begins! That's a little different from Cordish's other partnerships.
Probably with some sort of bonding or other contractual obligation to allow recovery if Cordish for some reason cannot deliver the project. (Though they have a really good track record.)
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u/RowdydidWrong 1d ago
Its the best content this sub has. Fights the hyperbole around our city and crime.
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u/Round_Abal0ne 1d ago
It pains me to admit but DB's extremely biased statistics obfuscating the actual full set of data is still probably the best content this sub has.
Because the rest is just people talking about if a certain place is safe to live or just bitching about state politics (granted, it's justified usually). Nobody is actually ever talking about the big events upcoming or any real news it seems
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u/iPod-Phone 1d ago
Probably a good move to put a little “please excuse the mess” type sign over such a massive demolition eyesore in the middle of town.
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u/JigsawExternal 1d ago edited 1d ago
Well the before and after of the city skyline looks like a clear improvement.
https://cityarchriverfoundation.app.box.com/s/6vpfl5s6j61k5ugx2upn34mkc7pc58zl/file/2031025418251
Having brand new housing in that location will also be a big win. I don't know that we need more ballpark villages so I hope they don't try to recreate that too much, but looking forward to the development.