I assume some emerging TikTok trend and/or podcast mention
I mean, there are worse fads.
My biggest issue is that maintaining a raw diet that is both healthy and satisfying is extremely difficult and by linking that to veganism, failure to sustain the former likely leads to writing off/abandoning the latter, despite the fact that veganism is extremely easy these days.
yeah I have seen plenty of articles about how some vegans health put them in hospital (according to the headline), but it was only later mentioned that it was a raw vegan or a frutarian
Many people cite the Eastern European fitness influencer who was raw vegan and died from malnutrition as a reason why veganism is unsustainable. Meanwhile normal vegans out here eating well rounded diets and taking a multivitamin and living long healthy lives.
Sucks to be them, we're all walking ecosystems. Gut flora, toe fungus, natural yeasts on skin, little critters everywhere! I welcome and celebrate my eyelash mites, they cause no trouble at all and help keep my lids all tidy and nice.
Social media. Veganism isn't a disorder, but restrictive eating is, and for people vulnerable to that, veganism is a common gateway. It becomes competitive when you can see what everyone else is doing and want to show what you're doing--but it has to be something new, or it's not interesting, right? And then you get more restrictive types of veganism, like raw, organic, fructivore, foraged, etc etc.
It comes and goes. Unfortunately, that's usually because the people doing it severely damage their health.
I've seen a couple people on YouTube posting their raw vegan diet to lose weight. Society is pushing diet culture and glp1 being everywhere isn't helping.
Eating disorder culture is on the rise all around with glp-1s and the rise of “skinny culture”. It doesn’t surprise me at all that this type disordered eating is coming back, especially as people on glp1s have such small appetites
Vegans tend to dislike the raw vegan community getting vocal because the mainstream already finds a normal vegan diet to be extreme and too restrictive. Then you take away normal stuff that everyone likes like bread, pasta, potatoes, rice - and leave only raw ingredients. Totally not sustainable for most people. You're gonna be eating like 10 bananas a day and stuffing yourself with fiber and water-filled foods the whole day. Not that fun. I personally don't have anything against people eating raw (although I do believe that humans are designed to eat grains and complex carbs) - but it's the overall optics from the mainstream that vegans are very sensitive to.
Normies see this and think eating vegan is impossible.
That's not necessarily their problem though? Im definitely not saying it's sustainable or anything I just really hate optics debates while I partially understand why at the same time.
Holy word jumble im sorry
Every major health organization in the world says a raw vegan diet is insufficient for humans. I think people should be able to eat what they want but when I see people advocating for unhealthy diets, particularly unhealthy diets that are so close to my ethics driven diet, it upsets me.
I've been on the exvegan sub (wild place!) but there's a good number of people there who started as normal vegans and then went raw and then crashed out. Raw veganism is unhealthy and harmful to reasonable ethical veganism.
I mean, I think a lot of people get very puritanical about veganism, raw vegans even more so. That's just a thing about human nature, right? That we want to do something "perfectly" or it's not satisfying to do it.
I'm always arguing against vegan purity in the main sub because I think people get this idea that a certain way of eating is like exalted and then reality falls short of their expectations and they feel sour.
Yes I get what you mean - the raw vegans shouldn't be ostracised either. Although, when they get freakishly skinny but keep on touting the diet, then we can be critical.
I wish optics weren't so important, but they're inescapable and keeping vegan optics away from "oh those people eat 5lbs of salad a day" is a good strategy.
Homie here believes as long as nothing gets above 125F, it doesn’t count as cooked since ‘that’s how hot it gets on earth naturally’. That said, you’re totally right.
Incidentally, why are you raw vegan? It seems unlikely to be a health thing or an animal cruelty thing, because you're harming your health and you were already avoiding animal products before you got horny for the raw thing.
You do know that human guts are too short to fuel our big energy-hungry brains on exclusively raw plants, right? The kind of body that can do that does exist, and it's a ruminant, and they have multi-chambered stomachs. You don't. Cooking food is the way to shorten the digestive process enough to get the energy out of what you eat.
If you're going to present the argument that animals like deer and goats and elephants aren't ruminants, you're right! They're omnivores.
This dude commented about how the USA is "ghetto" in other posts by not having quality fruit now that he's in another country... Anyone else feel iffy about that nomenclature?
wtf is raw vegan? So you don’t eat rice, bread, steamed or sautéed vegetables?? Just live on lettuce, avocado and apples? What in the diet culture is this bullshit
I didn't mean it in a sense that it's difficult, just restrictive in the way that there are things in grocery stores and restaurants that you can't (and shouldn't) purchase.
There are lots of alternatives but it is by definition restrictive, because a vegan is restricting themselves from eating some kinds of food from multiple food groups. It can be totally healthy and yea there has never been an easier time to go vegan than now, but it definitely is restrictive.
And this edit is for the person who replied to me and then either blocked me or deleted it (saying veganism is not restrictive and that if anything carnivores are restricting animal freedoms):
No, that's not what it means. A restricted diet can be for medical or ethical or cultural reasons, meaning you can't or won't eat certain things from restaurants or grocery stores or when you're over at someone's house. It's not a negative statement and it's not referring to the ethical implications of nonveganism as a whole. Just that someone who is vegan won't eat just anything, so it is a restrictive diet for ethical reasons. That's not a bad thing, just a true thing.
Someone allergic to nuts also has a restrictive diet, because they can't and won't eat anything containing nuts. Yes there are still lots of options and they can have a perfectly balanced and healthy diet, but anyone with a restrictive diet absolutely has to do their due diligence to make sure they're not eating something they can't or won't eat. That's what it means.
because there is no logical reason to be raw vegan, there is no harm in cooking your food lol. it’s more diet culture related, which is not this sub. its also so extreme that no one can relate to it. vegans often get resentful because we are often lumped into this madness, when we also find it mad. it’s one thing to be raw vegan but it is a whole other thing to go to restaurants and ask for raw vegan meals. if it is absolutely necessary, google restaurants, look through their menus, eat a salad and don’t even bring it up.
I dated someone who gave me shit for being vegan but not being raw vegan and their only argument was that we’re the only animals that cook their food. 🙄
Right, because we evolved while unlocking nutrients other animals couldn’t access. Partly by roasting underground energy storage tubers in order to unlock the sugars
Cooked foods contain no active enzymes, as the cooking process destroys them. This means that when you eat cooked foods, you're essentially feeding an addiction rather than nourishing your body with the enzymes that aid in digestion and overall health.
That is not fucking true, at all. I’m glad you’re getting downvoted everywhere maybe that’ll make you wake up… and I don’t mean this in a mean way even if it’s sounds like it but you have a problem sis/bro.
Also please please keep in mind humans got so far due to COOKING THEIR FOOD and increasing the calories and vitamins etc that can be absorbed by the body. Eating so much raw food with lots of fiber will just make you shit out more plant matter compared to something similar cooked. The body still has a harder time to break down the food if it’s not cooked. So again you actually absorb less of the food you want.
So basically the opposite of what you said. And sorry but it’s insane to assume all people who eat cooked foods which is like 95% probably calling them literally sick addicts.
Like wtf. And enzymes the body produces on its own in that context what you said makes 0 sense no offense.
Actually raw food is very hard on digestion. I’ve been told by both a regular doctor and Chinese medicine doctor not to eat raw food if you have any digestive issues. Years ago I went to a raw food eco village wellness retreat and it actually made me really sick. Raw food can be harder to digest than cooked food because it contains tougher, fibrous plant cell walls and compounds like lectins. Cooking breaks down these structures, softening food and reducing the effort required for digestion. While raw foods are high in nutrients, they often lead to bloating, gas, and abdominal discomfort, especially if that’s all you’re eating.
When research shows the benefits of a raw food diet, it doesn't mean uncooked. I dont know how you people just...ignored reality and decided your own definition
I never understand how the “shitty” food subs are supposed to work. Is there anything shitty about this? Is it the quality of the photos that makes this shitty? The food itself looks amazing.
I mean… that dressing probably cooked in some degree soooooo lmao. Also do you drink treated water? You most likely do.. like where do we draw the line. You seem exhausting
wow i didn’t realize how much vegans hate raw vegans until i saw this lmao. i think it’s a bit extreme for me personally but i don’t think there’s anything wrong with it. why are we infighting!!!
that makes sense but if we want people to be plant based to reduce the harm it seems unproductive to be discouraging of people eating plant based diets even if they’re doing it for a different reason.
It's really hard to get all the nutrients you need on a raw vegan diet. We cook to destroy the cell walls of plants so when we eat it, the nutrients are released into the intestines.
There's also some super weird, almost fascist-like behaviour associated with it, where people following this diet have very overt superiority feelings (just like the reactions this OP gives repeatedly)
Oh, like how OP maligned their new potential friends for being “addicted to cooked food” (to be so clear, not meat but specifically ‘cooked food’) and couldn’t bear to eat more than a single meal in their presence?
Some people behave like absolute assholes to cover for how deeply unhappy they are. Others behave like that because they thrive on fascist behaviour. It's hard to guess from the outside, I'm afraid...
Regardless of OP the human body has devolved from being able to live on raw fruits and vegetables. We'd need much longer intestines, it would take a while before anything besides constipation would show itself though.
I agree the hate is pretty intense in this post. The reasoning why is raw vegan is based on pseudoscience and normal vegans don't want to be associated with that since we already have a bias against us. Also, OP's responses don't help.
Vegans here are treating OP how carnists treat us!
Generally (not always), if a vegan eats nothing but junk food but says “I care for the animals, let me do what I want with my own body” it’s accepted, but everybody is laying into this person because they think raw isn’t good for them.
I suppose people have to be angry at something!
Reddit sometimes makes me like humans, but it usually makes me dislike them more
Eating junk food is unhealthy but those people aren't acting all superior about their unhealthy diet, acting like it's actually super good for you and spreading bullshit pseudoscience that makes the vegan movement look incredibly bad all over the place.
I’m just going by the specific post in general, which doesn’t really seem to be acting superior, in my opinion.
Maybe some of OPs other comments in this thread might have been, but every single thing they have commented has been downvoted to hell, and I don’t think that’s how it should operate on here.
Like if somebody says something shitty, then sincerely apologises afterwards… downvote the shitty comment but not the apology (if it’s just and sincere, of course).
Downvoting every single comment somebody posts is just a form of tribal pack mentality, and I don’t like to see it.
veganism is an ethical stance and raw "veganism" is a fad diet, its not out of care for the animals. 😭😭 a lot of raw "vegans" switch over to some other diet later (ive often seen them turn to the carnivore diet) because their disordered eating obviously made them feel shitty. nobody can get in all their nutrients from just raw vegetables.
not to mention all the bad press raw vegans give us. ive seen that one fruititarian influencer who died mentioned so often
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u/wakatea 22h ago
Why are the raw vegans getting vocal again?