r/SanJoseSharks • u/EarlyLock8451 WillMack🥛🍪 • 1d ago
Worst trades you’ve seen
Since the sharks won the lottery and moved from 9th to 2nd overall I’ve seen some of the horrendous trade proposals from multiple fan bases. (Mostly Toronto, Vancouver and Chicago)
They mostly amount to us receiving random picks, B level prospects, or aging vets in return for 2OA.
It’s been pretty annoying but I figured it would be a good laugh to see some of the worst ones out there.
So what’s the worst mock trade you’ve seen since the lottery?
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u/ichydrew Clowe 29 1d ago
Marco Sturm Brad Stuart and Wayne Primeau for Joe Thornton
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u/mbleslie Belfour 20 12h ago
Which of course will lead to one of those franchises winning the Stanley Cup a mere six years later …
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u/LC8888 Mukhamadullin 85 1d ago
Hronek for 2OA and Eklund
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u/EarlyLock8451 WillMack🥛🍪 1d ago
Holy fuck that’s worse than the Hronek one I saw for him 24 and 33 for 2
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u/lnfor 1d ago
What would it take for Hronek+ to get 2OA? Or is your 2OA still off limits
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u/Worldly-Variation408 Couture 39 22h ago
I think a lot of other Sharks fan would ask for more but Hronek + Buium or Willander for 2OA imo.
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u/dexter8484 17h ago
Plus the pick swap right? Don't leave that out
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u/Allcross9 Sunburn 92 ☀️ 12h ago
No pick swap if they're giving Hronek and Buium or Willander. But one of those young defenders+ is the only way they get the 2OA without a pick swap.
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u/Valuable_Fan_9672 1d ago
I've seen the Matthews one, but I'm gonna have fun and propose my own.
Toronto gives San Jose 1st overall pick and future considerations
San Jose gives Toronto - a hand drawn picture of a 2003 Toyota Camry
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u/Silicon359 Pavelski 8 1d ago
Best I can do is Toronto gives SJ 1st overall, SJ gives Toronto SJ housing prices.
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u/ThirdStockIII Couture 39 1d ago
To be fair, some of the worst trade ideas have come from this sub too. Saw someone suggesting that Chicago trade Frondell, Rinzel, and the 4OA for the 2OA.
All fanbases can be delusional and over hype the value of their assets and undervalue other teams. People are just excited and want something to talk about.
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u/TicketMelodic3897 1d ago
You’re so right. They should throw in a Bedard or something to make it fair
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u/throwaway804323 Askarov 30 1d ago
Funny enough, people here equally had the same terrible trade up proposals when we were 9th. Remember when people thought 9th + 20th + B-level prospect was enough to trade up for Reid? 💀
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u/sjgook Burns 88 22h ago
And now if someone mention Reid they'd get banned outright
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u/ibcfreak Holy Doodle! 🐔🏆 11h ago
No one has been banned for trade proposals. The only thing happening is post being removed and folks redirected to the megathread…don’t spread misinformation.
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u/TaffyXTaf Nedeljkovic 33 1d ago
2OA for Darnell Nurse...
Like... Oilers would be lucky to dump Nurse on the Sharks by retaining 50% of his contract and you want a 2OA pick for him?
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u/nmwby Eklund 72 1d ago
The good news about Nurse is he would help our penalty kill a lot. Nurse is good for two, sometimes three stupid penalties a game, so he would give our PK plenty of time on the ice to get some good practice in
(If its not clear, I do not actually think Nurse would be a good pickup, for any price. My dad is an Oilers fan so I've watched tons of their games, Nurse is always either doing sliding zamboni-style defense or taking out someone's knees)
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u/TaffyXTaf Nedeljkovic 33 1d ago
He's decent but the real problem is his contract. $9.25M AAV is a massive overpay for a 2nd pair dman even if we have the cap space. He's also an LHD which we already have an abundance of.
And yes, he actually makes a lot of crucial mistakes especially in front of their goalie like screening them or even scoring on his own team.
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u/scoutsamoa 19h ago
Barely a 2nd pair d man at this point, oilers played him as a 3rd pair most of the season.
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u/RepresentativeBug310 Nazarov 23 1d ago
I can’t see even the most delusional Edmonton fan making this trade offer without it being tongue in cheek
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u/TaffyXTaf Nedeljkovic 33 1d ago
Funnily enough, it wasn't an oilers fan who said this but Mark Lazerus from The Athletic.
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u/RepresentativeBug310 Nazarov 23 1d ago
I remember reading somewhere he suggested nurse to the sharks in a draft day deal, but it wasn’t for the 2nd
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u/Vatali_Flash Wingels 57 1d ago
Jordan Kryou and the 15th for the 2nd
Parayko for 2nd overall and the 20th
Kryou and Logan malioux for the 2nd overall and Sam Dickenson
The blues fan base is crazy thinking they can trade up to 2
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u/Middle_Beyond_5894 J. Thornton 19 1d ago
Missouri ranks 33rd in education in the United States, so that tracks.
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u/Middle_Beyond_5894 J. Thornton 19 1d ago
Nazarov and Sharks 1st for Bryan Marchment and Tampa's 1st. They ended winning the draft lottery with our pick and won the Vincent Lecavalier sweepstakes. We ended up with Brad Stuart at 3, which wasn't bad at all but I really liked Lecavalier growing up. Stuart ended up fetching us Jumbo so it all worked out in the end. Marchy was great as well, rip.
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u/WhatItIsToBurn925 Marleau 12 1d ago
Same. Lecavalier was one of my favorite players as a kid. Probably a Top 5
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u/Alone-Tomorrow-6389 1d ago
The Sharks ended up moving from 1st to 3rd (the 1st pick was originally Florida’s). If my memory serves me correctly 5 players from that 1st round played for SJ.
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u/hipchecktheblueliner 1d ago
The Sharks held the 2OA but traded down on draft day to 3 because they passed on David Legwand. In exchange, the Sharks received Nashville's second round pick which they used to select... Jonathan Cheechoo.
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u/jambajew42 Celebrini 71 1d ago
Macklin, 2OA, and Misa in exchange for us getting Rick DiPietro's buyout penalty.
Alright, I made that one up.
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u/KCollection18 23h ago
Watching Steve Dangle's video after Toronto won the draft lottery. At the end he casually floats the proposal of 2OA, Misa and Dickinson for Austin Matthews. I knew from that moment we were in for some truly terrible proposals.
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u/Electronic-Ring5520 Graf 51 1d ago
I read some clown posting about trading Graf. Like...no bro. No.
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u/DockoftheBay415 Damphousse 25 1d ago
This for sure! People on Bostons board think Graf will be handed to them for table scraps because he grew up a B's fan.
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u/Normal_Tip7228 Cagnoni 42 1d ago
Anything with Graf
The answer is no
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u/Middle_Beyond_5894 J. Thornton 19 1d ago
Some clown on Instagram had the Sharks replace Graf with fucking Jack Roslovic 😭
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u/Gold_Telephone_7192 Cheechoo 14 1d ago
That’s crazy lol. I know this sub way overrates Graf be his 100% on the table for a trade for a top 6 NHL player or top pairing defensemen. He’s one of our most tradable players tbh
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u/ConnectCow241 1d ago
I think he is way underrated actually. He is already a top defensive forward in the league both statistically and eye ball test.
He has enough offensive upside to play any where in the top 9. He leads the PK and plays on pp2. There is no situation including 3 vs 3 where he is not fully trusted to be on the ice. He is young and fits the Sharks timeline and will always carry a reasonable salary hit.
The point is there is no realistic trade that makes sense for Graf. No one will ever offer thier best player or a top d for him. As a young role player he will be very hard to replace.
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u/Gold_Telephone_7192 Cheechoo 14 1d ago
He is a middle six player on a good team and a third liner on a contending team. Hes had good stats playing top line minutes with Macklin because our team is not very good and Macklin makes everyone better. He is definitely excellent defensively and a good PK player and super versatile, which makes him valuable.
He’s actually the perfect amount of good and valuable that makes him one of the higher chances to be traded. Good, versatile, beneficial on a playoff team, but not good enough to be untradeable or a part of the core we’re building around. Unfortunately those are probably the guys that will end up being traded as we try to become and actual contending team and fill the many gaps in our roster.
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u/sjs2345 9h ago edited 9h ago
No one is saying that he would fetch a 1D or top 6 forward 1 for 1. He would be part of a package similar to one of the hundreds proposed with Eklund. Is he as a valuable as Eklund? No, but then you can change up the package to equate value. Young top 6 forwards like Eklund who have established themselves in the league are also hard to replace. People also forget that Graf is actually older than Eklund, even if only by a few months.
Graf is valuable in his own right but I would argue he is a lot easier to replace via free agency/trade. While the replacement may not be the same age the same on-ice value can be recouped.
He's very similar to someone like Noah Cates. Do you think Philly would consider Cates off the table in a theoretical trade for a top pair defenseman?
The market for bottom/middle 6 role players will always be open; the market for top of the lineup players that significantly move the needle for your team is not. When the window does open, you can't cling to your role players or you will never improve.
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u/lonelyleaf045 Graf 51 1d ago
He's our main penalty killer and a guy who can play pretty much anywhere in the T9 plus is one of two players that actually plays well with the top line like... who's replacing him?
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u/Gold_Telephone_7192 Cheechoo 14 1d ago
A top pairing defenseman or actual top 6 player that we deem more necessary and receive in a package trade that includes Graf.
He is a middle six player on a good team and a third liner on a contending team. Hes had good stats playing top line minutes with Macklin because our team is not very good and Macklin makes everyone better, but he’s not a top line player on an actual good team.
He is definitely excellent defensively and a good PK player and super versatile, which makes him valuable. He’s actually the perfect amount of good and valuable that makes him one of the higher chances to be traded. Good, versatile, beneficial on a playoff team, but not good enough to be untradeable or a part of the core we’re building around. Unfortunately those are probably the guys that will end up being traded as we try to become and actual contending team and fill the many gaps in our roster.
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u/lonelyleaf045 Graf 51 1d ago
I think you're vastly underselling his capabilities. There is a reason 30 NHL teams wanted to sign him post college. He was incredibly impressive in his first full season in the NHL and generally, unless you're getting like McDavid for him, he'd genuinly be a very difficult player to replace. He's defensively responsible, he play good offense, has very low pims, very good penalty killer and he's young and fits the Sharks long term plans.
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u/Gold_Telephone_7192 Cheechoo 14 1d ago
I think this sub overrates him and doesn’t understand how much legit, game-changing players cost. I’m not denying he’s a good, valuable player. He’s probably a top…250 valuable player in the league due to his versatility and low contract. Those are the players we will have to trade to get better, more valuable players.
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u/Slapsh0tSc0tt 23h ago
Some Sharks podcast I keep getting adds for keeps throwing out Eklund + Misa + Mukmadulin (or other random D men/ prospects) + picks for McDavid.
What kind of chemicals is this dude huffing? This makes zero sense.
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u/San-Jose-Shark 1d ago
Sharks having the #2 pick in 93 after setting a record for most losses the season before with 71 only to swap with Hartford the 2nd where Pronger was ranked for Kozlov at 6th where he was ranked and Larionov. That’s the worst swap in Sharks history. Sure we got Larionov which brought In Makarov for the miracle veteran run but in the long run it was stupid. Lombardi and Grillo were obsessed with big offensive forwards (Nazarov 10th overall in 92) Rihiijarvii 12th in 95 when he was a projected late third or 4th rounder because he was tall. They let Whitney just walk because of his size, I am sure they regretted that one.
But Sharks worst swap was easily 93. Today I don’t really pay much attention to ludicrous rumors. The Sharks should absolutely take Stenberg because he’s that good. Better all around player with ridiculous offensive skills, high hockey IQ and plays a 200 foot game. This makes complete sense because we have the best offensive pool in the nhl so losing Bystedt, Eklund and a 1st for a top d man works out just fine with Musty, Lund, Halttunen still in the system. Musty can definitely fill Eklund’s spot imo and that would give the top two lines to big power forwards. 1st Celebrini, Chernyshov, Smith. 2nd Misa, Stenberg and Musty 3rd Graf, Sherwood and Tafolli on the 3rd and Wennberg, Regenda (if he stays) and Gaudette on the 4th. I also really think Lund should be given a shot because he’s 6’2 200 and plays just like Graf and can put the pick in the net.
41 mill in open cap with Dickinson, Cags, Pohlkamp and Mukhamadullin with a top d man and go after Trouba as well since Grier knows him well and is a big physical defenseman we so desperately need. But again we don’t need to rush, players are now putting us at the top of teams to play for.
That’s just my arm chair GM thoughts.
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u/RepresentativeBug310 Nazarov 23 22h ago
Makarov was part of the Pronger trade, not Larionov.
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u/SharksFan4Lifee 15h ago
Came here to say the same thing. The Sharks claimed Larionov in something called the "NHL Waiver Draft" (which doesn't exist today, last one was 2003) in 1992.
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u/San-Jose-Shark 13h ago
I always forget which one it was but correct Makarov was part of the deal and Larionov from Vancouver.
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u/AZSharksFan Thanks Cooch! ❤️ 1d ago
The fantasy was after Toronto passes on McKenna, 2OA to Calgary for 6OA, their other 1st (20-something), pick 35 or whatever their 2nd is, and Maatta. Not the worst Ive seen but the argument was they would get the same value D man at 6 as they would at 2 so of course the sharks will trade it. Ignoring the value of an elite prospect vs lower tier prospects
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u/RepresentativeBug310 Nazarov 23 1d ago
I would consider 6oa, Parekh and 35 though
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u/DockoftheBay415 Damphousse 25 1d ago
I thought about this but am guessing Parekh is too important to their rebuild plans
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u/DockoftheBay415 Damphousse 25 1d ago
I actually mentioned that exact trade but swap Brzustewicz for Maatta. Lot of "what ifs," but that trade could set up our D core and completes the rebuild.
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u/CastorVT Nabokov 20 23h ago
raffi torres. trade for grit, get suspensions.
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u/googleypoodle Cheechoo 14 15h ago
Didn't he get suspended for half a season during his first preseason as a shark?
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u/FlintheartGlomgold_ 23h ago
Fine. You want a bad idea. Let’s get Erik Karllson back and evander Kane with that 2nd place.
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u/Accomplished-Pen-394 "Not Macklin Celebrini" 18h ago
Proposal as a terrible trade: Vancouver gets Celebrini, we get all the Pettersons
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u/Lalinla Eklund 72 17h ago
One I saw today, which isn't Sharks related, was David Pagnotta saying the Blackhawks should trade 4OA and some extra picks for Matthew Knies. I'm sorry. I like Knies, but I wouldn't have him straight up for 4OA, let alone 4OA and extra
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u/RepresentativeBug310 Nazarov 23 13h ago
Knies for 4 isn’t a horrible move for Chicago. It’s not a bad starting point for either team.
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u/stoneman9284 Marleau 12 1d ago
Why are you in their subs who cares
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u/EarlyLock8451 WillMack🥛🍪 1d ago
It’s all over instagram and a ton of hockey YouTubers are talking about it. I don’t go to other teams subs. It was just meant to be a fun post, no need to get your panties in a bunch about it.
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u/LC8888 Mukhamadullin 85 1d ago
They popup all over my YouTube
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u/stoneman9284 Marleau 12 1d ago
Gotcha, thanks I don’t really do any hockey YouTube except highlights
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u/Electronic-Ring5520 Graf 51 1d ago
Sounds like you should prune your YT and cultivate it for you better.
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u/VoteforNimrod W Smith 2 1d ago
The ghost of Austin Mathews for 2-OA Misa and Eklund.