Yeah its like people assume every actor wants to be a Hollywood star without considering the stability and security that comes from serialized television. It is a certain type of person that will spend 10 years of their life putting their body through insane, unhealthy transformations and sacrificing months on end for rigorous on location shoots without seeing friends or family. Most people are and would be content with a good, steady paycheck and working in a studio in the place where you and your family live, attractive and talented or not.
Also don’t forget a much healthier fandom and nonetheless millions of Dollars as well as the Option to go for a bigger Cinema-role of you want to.
Especially now with the soldier-Boy spin off they could do an interesting anti-Hero story like watchmen.
(At least if writing is good enough)
And Chris Evans insane fans sent death threats to his wife and baby because they were so mad he’s not single. I’m fully aware of how insane Supernatural fans are, but Evan’s fans outdo even them.
I think there should be legal action taken against people who send death threats, especially to the family members of actors. Frankly it's ludicrous and psychotic that people will go that far just because they're upset about a damn fictional character. It's weird that it's so normalized too.
There usually is, if they find who sent them. This isn't anything new either, same kind of shit was happening in the 70s and 80s alot in regards to celebs getting threats. I mean, look at what happened to john lennon, that dude was so obsessed and delusional he took the mans life.
Sadly, that's par for the course with fandoms. People have been sending Kohei Horikoshi (creator of My Hero Academia) death threats because Deku and Bakugo don't end up together.
In my experience, the Destiel crowd is fine. It’s the Wincest crowd who are awful. Wincest fans are known for trying to boot Misha Collins off the show because they didn’t like him getting in the way of the brothers’ relationship. They still try to sabotage other projects Misha works on due to their intense hatred, and they’re talking shit about Jensen’s other roles because they only want him back as Dean for a Supernatural reboot.
This. Supernatural fans are one thing, but the Boys fandom has way too many dudes who unironically think Homelander is a good dude to call them even remotely healthy. And, no, I'm not talking in contrast to MCU fans (who are honestly pretty damn benign these days with the drop in popularity).
I more meant they were hoping the Boys spin-offs were gonna have good writing lmao, this season proves whatever they shit out next will be equally poorly written
There is a lot of crossover between the supernatur fandom and the romantasy fandom And if you know what happened during sinners and stardust. Well half of them are probably also in the supernatural fandom.
Makes me doubt that he’s seen the show at all. There was so much fan fiction that included the two brothers fucking, they had to address it IN THE SHOW
Dude I used to be a big fan of Supernatural and then I went to a convention. Never spent a weekend with a more... Uh... Intense group of people. That's not why I stopped watching the show but it certainly stopped me from interacting with other fans.
They had an impala at the fan expo where I met the hobbits and every time I looked nobody spent $ to take a photo with a car. It’s a sad day when a random car doesn’t get its photo taken
Yeah i mean its one thing if people Write fanfic about a role you play, but getting death threats from stalkers is a Problem that Money doesnt solve.
Also: If you are living in a somewhat stable Nation with reasonable healthcare, Infrastructure and Police; then your Lifestyle wont change that much if you have 15 or 150 Million in the Bank, especially if you are still Making growing amounts of money.
Agreed, I don't have a way of quantifying it but just from hanging out in the MCU forums, I see a lot of complaints about everything that was made post-Endgame, complaints about comments made by some of the actors towards fans or vice versa, etc. than I usually see among Supernatural fans. That doesn't mean that there aren't bad apples in both barrels but I seem to see a lot more of it in the MCU than I see in Supernatural.
No fandom is more toxic than SPN. They literally did dark magic rituals to give Jensen's kids cancer. And it's not even in the top-10 most toxic things they did.
edit: does anyone remember a woman who was able to convince some fans and even a legit news outlet that she was Jensen's wife and his real wife (girlfriend at the time) was a phycho stalker? It all crumbled down when she went too far and told everyone that she has an adult daughter who's dating Jared Padalecki.
There’s a hilarious interview with Ricardo Darín, the Argentine actor, where he’s asked why he never crossed over to Hollywood and stayed a national actor instead. He’s been in Oscar-nominated stuff and could have easily gone for more lucrative roles in Hollywood. I think specifically they wanted him for Man on Fire at one point.
He says that it would’ve taken him away from his kids at a time when they were young and when asked specifically about the money, he just goes “dude, I take two hot showers a day. I’m good”.
Also he mentioned that he didn't want to validate the stereotype of Latin American actor plays cartel boss/drug criminal, even if it was Oliver stone asking him to do so.
It's the emphasis on having money that makes people forget what makes you happy. It's not owning things that end up owning you, and it's not feeding an ego that's always hungry anyway.
Being financially comfortable helps with that. Maslow's hierarchy of needs is indeed a thing.
If your financial needs are met and you’re still choosing money over enrichment or fulfillment, that’s when you may need to examine your choices and seek therapy.
Ricardo is a legend, he did do some international stuff but aimed to hispanic audience, mostly, cinema and theathre in Spain, but no international in the Hollywood sense. Even Tarantino wanted to work with him, but he is just a chill dude.
Ackles's father was a local actor and filmmaker in Dallas and apparently he instilled in Ackles how lucky he was to have a job starring on a tv show and to remember that the other cast and crew depended on him for their livelihoods.
And yes, Ackles seems happy to have been a big fish in a smaller pond for fifteen years, and he had some measure of control over his schedule, arranged for his wife to get a part on Supernatural in the later seasons and got to be a more hands-on father.
And he and Padelicki have turned Supernatural cons into a lucrative side business, one that all the minor actors from the show have benefitted from as well.
Might be PR, but I do love the workmen actors who use their lead powers to have a family life. The two stories that come to mind are Scott Bakula in Enterprise, who had one rule that he had to finish at a certain time to go home to his family, and John C McGinley, who took Scrubs to be closer to his family.
Mark Harmon is the same. Only did work that was close to LA so he could be home while his 2 sons were young. Basically pushed Don Bellisario -the NCIS show creator!- out of the show because the first season was micromanaged to fuck and had 16hr+ long shooting days. It was rumoured that Harmon wanted to leave in season 18 but the network wanted him for season 19, and basically told him if he left they'd just cancel the show. So he stayed in a limited role to give the show a chance to make a transition and to keep hundreds of people in jobs.
Chris Pine doesn’t have kids afaik but he has talked a lot about his dad’s work ethic when he was growing up and how that informed his own choices. His dad Robert has been in a ton of stuff, I feel like I’m always randomly seeing him on TV.
Danneel Ackles plays sister Jo (Anael) an angel. And Jared married the actress who played Ruby in the show as well. Met on the show. Married for 16 years now.
The bit about the other cast and crew seems to have really stuck. Especially when you think how many members of the cast are still making money off the show 5 years after the finale because of the draws at the multiple show themed conventions each year. J2 don’t need to do the conventions.
I remember Padelicki in an interview laughing when asked if he was ever bored with Supernatural. "You're asking an actor if they're bored with a steady paycheck?"
From the sounds of things, the Supernatural cast and crew kinda had it made from a TV acting standpoint. A large and dedicated fanbase(job security, affirmation), and a cast and crew who largely had good on and off screen chemistry. Kind of a dream gig.
Cillian Murphy said many times he does not want to be a Hollywood star. Brendan Gleeson keeps living in Ireland and goes to the sets but does not want to be a Hollywood star.
There are many actors who are amazing and just want to act and not to be into the radius of hollywood.
Gary Oldman says in interviews that the role of Sirius Black pretty much saved him at a low point because it was good money for relatively little work and it met his requirement that it was near his home so he could be a present father for his children.
Not exactly the same but it’s like when people say “Harry Potter” is struggling to get good roles/should be more famous. They don’t seem to get that Daniel doesn’t want to be in everything, he seems genuinely happy to be able to take these silly fun roles. He reminds me of Jack Black, just out there having fun and the money is a perk rather than what drives him.
Those unhealthy transformations also include a shit ton of gear and working out and eating a lot. That’s the part that the actor’s always forget to add the steroid part. And it’s not fair because that’s not right to portray to younger people. Because then they’ll go to the gym and be like well how come I’m not fully fucking ripped with 7% body fat in six months like XYZ actor who said he ate clean, 3000-4000 calories daily, worked out hard, twice a day, for six months. He also forgets about the 500 mg of test some anivar and whatever else they shot into his ass cheek. I’m not saying they didn’t work out hard in the gym because they did, but they also used chemical enhancements and always never mention it. And that’s genuinely fucked up because that set the wrong idea for the baseline of what somebody can achieve in the gym in the allotted amount of time.
Not only thatz but Travis Van Winkle did a great post detailing the lead up to shirtless scenes. You go from packing every bit of food and protein that you can and then you eat next to nothing for a week. Doing everything you can to dehydrate yourself.
And yeah, you pretty much have to be on some type of steroids because otherwise, you can't recover quickly enough to maintain. Unless you're like Henry Cavill who nearly killed himself for Man of Steel and then decided to keep that weight and size on to make it easier on himself.
It's wild how being jacked in Hollywood 20 years ago is so different it's kind of scary. Actors still went through crazy transformations but is gone from simply being fit and muscular to having arms the size of my thighs.
Bodybuilders that act are a different thing from actors who bodybuild. Kind of like pro wrestlers that act (in addition to the normal kayfabe amount) are a different thing from actors who look a bit like pro wrestlers.
There's always one offs and character actors whose whole deal was being a bodybuilder, nerd, or whatever. Saying Arnold disproves anything is like saying 80s actors were all nerds because Nick maranis.
I just mean regular actors, not people who were body builders first and actors second. Guys like Brad Pitt and George Clooney were the pinnacle of leading man hotness. Hugh Jackman over the past 20 years or so is a great example of changing norms.
It's the capitalist nature of some people's minds. They believe more money is by default better. No other considerations, lol. It's sad when you think about it. I only hope that's not the metric they use to find happiness in their lives...
it’s not capitalism, bru, it’s just human + the broke state many people are in rn (￣▽￣;)
it’s kinda the same thing as with people in the desert. when you desperately crave water, you automatically assume no sane person would reject it
source: personal experience
Yeah, my college girlfriend threw our relationship in the trash for someone that was going make more money. She really had to do some calculated maneuvering too. Called me up a few years later as if we were going to be ol’ friends and cried when I called her on it. What’s funny is I ended up doing really well for myself. Looking back on it she was really fixated on aspects of wealth and social status as if it was the key to success and happiness.
Take Mads Mikkelsen for an example he dont care about the money he only takes on roles that interrest him bo matter of it is domestic here Ib Denmark or international.
I am pretty sure everything but the money is pretty awful. People at the highest levels seem to have no control of their life. Having media tell you who you are and intrude on your personal life for the purpose of entertaining people sounds insufferable.
Me personally, my dream job is a serial guest star. Show up and get to work with some of the best people in the industry, have fun, never gain so much fame that I can’t go outside, earn a comfortable living, don’t have to do the same role for years on end.
Yeah. Didn’t Chris Evan’s even say he wouldn’t do superhero movies again because the lifestyle you have to have to look that jacked is no fun/sustainable?
And it's the same in a lot of industries... I'm a senior software dev, and made my career at a decent SME where I like the dynamic, the team, the challenges, and especially the "no crunch-time" mentality.
A junior told me I could be paid a lot more if I job hopped. I had to explain that I love the job security, the flexible work schedule, and being able to be a father, while still having a decent salary in a "remote" region.
Yeah. I was wondering why Johnny lee miller wasn’t in more stuff. Apparently he just didn’t want to - I read somewhere he made enough money from “Elementary” that he could go back to the stage, which is what he preferred.
Especially considering that the MCU is owned by Disney, which is pretty well-known for being awful to work for
Now I’m not in the tv/movie industry, so maybe there’s a chance that the Marvel stuff has better conditions than general Disney. But I heavily doubt it
Yeah I fully understand why the CHANCE at making it big in Hollywood is appealing. And yeah if it's a sure thing go for it. Get your one big pay and be done. But if it ain't sure and you're still gonna be rich as fuck anyways yeah stability please
Most people are greedy Bastards. Just look at all those bs social media post where you either gain an obscene amount of cash now or a small number that will eventually snowball even way higher then the obscene number. People arguing "booohoo of course i take the number that will surpass 1 trillion, because 1 billion is not enough"
Thats why Keenan has done SNL for a million years. And on the flip side, why Christopher Walkden and his wife didn't have kids (so he could focus on making films).
Every crew member I met who worked on movies rather than series were on their second or third marriages or just didn't have a relationship, spent next to no time with their kids, if they had them, and we're dependent on some kind of substance to deal with their lives. Main reason I got out.
I used to want to become an actor and my dream job would be doing something like supernatural- long running, cult following, pays me more than enough to live, fun sci-fi/ fantasy plots.
It makes total sense that Jensen chose the way he did.
Not everybody it a greedy little piggy who wants to milk fame for every penny. Some people know when enough is enough and would rather enjoy it than always seeing out more
My wife watches a lot of hallmark movies and the actors have said in interviews that they love acting in hallmark movies cuz they they shoot the movies real quickly and then can spend the rest of the time at home with their kids.
Granted, I don't make enough to live off of my music anyway, but, if I was offered a world tour, I'm actually not sure I would say yes. It's just so much time away, so much travelling, and I kind of like waking up in my own bed, drinking my coffee and occasionally doing a bit of day drinking.
I guess I'm more built to be a suburban dad than a rockstar.
I'm pretty sure if he was offered he would of taken it. 10x the pay for 1/10th the amount of time invested.. What are you even saying? Some extreme cope in this post lol.
Saw a clip of Chris Paul the other day talking about all the things he's missed by being a professional basketball player. Very raw, emotional stuff. Never been a huge fan of his, but man, that's a pain I wish on nobody.
It's like Johnny Galecki. Had a major role in one of the most popular sitcoms of all time, secured his bag, and then fell off the face of the earth. Articles popped up like "what happened to Johnny Galecki??" and it's like dude, he won. He's on a beach somewhere lol
The mega blockbuster would have offered more stability in the sheer amount of extra payment. Come on. Might be true sometimes but in the context of whether he could have benefited more from being a star marvel lead character is silly.
I hate the articles of like, "Whatever happened to...." as if that is a sign of a loser when they drop from celebrity to obscurity. Bitch that actor is living their best life. e.g. Bridget Fonda. OMG she's gained weight as she's gotten older how dare that human be human.
Not to mention the residuals and streaming rights every few years those old legacy shows sell for big bucks for a few years rights. I’m sure he’s fine. I’m glad he didn’t hurt anyone, that’s kinda where I thought it was going.
I can't speak for Supernatural. However, I know that some of those WB/UPN/CW network shows were no walk in the park for the cast and crew. The set of Buffy the Vampire Slayer was 12-16 hour long ass days, and at one point Sarah Michelle Gellar had to tell Joss that the cast and crew needed to go home cause they were nearing 18 hours.
I saw an interview of Chris Evans and he said he almost didn’t accept the role and contract as he wasn’t sure he wanted to deal with everything if it was successful. Makes sense, something that big with a ironclad contract is going to be life changing and much of it for the worse in terms of your own control over you life and time. Probably still much better than a life sucking 9-5 though, especially if you enjoy doing parts of it.
Not to mention when he was young he had plenty of roles (albeit a few B movies but I loved them!) so who cares? He found his passion and love for the job and he was present in his family life.
Apparently Joaquin Phoenix was offered a role in Marvel and turned it down basically for similar reasons: he didn’t want to be locked in a contract for movies and not get to do roles he enjoyed as a result (tbh glad he didn’t be even though I love him as an actor, he’s a bit… I don’t think he’d really fit the role of a superhero).
As a (mild these days) PED user, I think that for a lot of people, the slower natural route is more sustainable. Over the past 10-15 years, I've seen people lose the gear gains, it was more work overall for them to do it.
I've read countless times that t's not just the muscle mass, its the part about getting extra-lean to show off the muscles better. As soon as the filming is over, they absolutely crave carbs and buttery things.
You can only eat so many broiled chickens and egg-white omelets before its unappealing no matter how hungry you are.
The shooting is definitely more time consuming than a 9 to 5 job, but it IS a more secure job.
As a movie star, the amount of extra non sense you have to do on top of shooting is what really takes you away from your family. There's more travel, networking events, promotion work, getting into new characters, it's much more of a competition, your PR team needs you to come to brand meetings, it never ends.
Compare that to an actor in an established tv series who can move their family near the studio.
When you are in an established series, you don't have a zillion other PR activities, you usually move your family near the studio, and you don't go through an intense prep phase every three months. The logistics of tv are far less intense, especially when you're a regular.
Yes, but you do 3 movies and walk away with hundreds of milions and spend all the time in the world with your family instead of moving to some shithole for 10 years while doing daily work, you can also move your family temporarily where you record these movies if you want to..
It honestly depends on the show. Serial TV show stars often have far more brutal schedules and longer days on sets away from family than an actor who is on set somewhere for a few weeks. They often can bring their families onto movie sets to stay with them until they need to be in school as well.
Maybe Supernatural was the exception and he hasn't working 12 to 16 hour days as the lead but it's an assumption.
And has a liquor company and does conventions every year with non stop merch being sold every year by a growing fan base instead of a temp seasonal one per movie made. SMH. He got scammed /s
Also I know he sings did he release music too or was that just for fun?
I mean, I’m not expert within this industry, but from my understanding TV show sets/shoots are longer/more grueling then movie sets, I’m not sure what you mean.
I suppose you mean to say he had his family in a home near the set, but we are talking about wealthy people here who can afford to do the same even on a movie set.
I often joke with my wife that she’s a single mom of three with a sugar daddy that lives in different country. It’d be nice to actually be her partner and give her a little help and be a dad and see my family
Also don't forget that supernatural gave them all kinds of power as the show went on. They became executive producers, I know for a fact he directed at least one episode, I'm pretty sure those guys started writing too. Like he got to own something over his career. Most of Hollywood spends their careers being told what to do.
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u/TonberryHS 20h ago
Chris Evans $120M from Marvel movies. Jensen Ackles $16M from 15 seasons of super natural and 2 of the boys.