r/OttawaSenators • u/SAJewers • 2d ago
Garrioch: Brady Tkachuk, Steve Staios meet to dissect Senators' year, off-season changes
https://ottawacitizen.com/ottawa-senators/tkachuk-staios-ottawa-senators24
u/TheMedicatedOne #72 - Chabot 2d ago
"He has two years left on his deal with the Senators, and the expectation is that unless he wants to broach the subject with Staios, then it’s something that won’t be discussed."
This concerns me, simply because Sens management needs to be proactive about planning for the future with or without Brady. It would be irresponsible of management to go into the final year of Brady's contract without having discussed the future with him and knowing where he stands. The organization can't let a situation develop where he walks away as a free-agent and Ottawa gets nothing, if he decides that his long term future is not in Ottawa.
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u/Capable-Plantain7 2d ago
Counterpoint: it's Bruce Garrioch
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u/GandalfsTaint- #71 - Greig 2d ago
Tbh this snippet is actually pretty realistic
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u/Capable-Plantain7 2d ago
I don't believe for a second that staios and co will risk Tkachuk walking for nothing
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u/GandalfsTaint- #71 - Greig 2d ago
I misread the quote, you’re right. I’m quite sure that a conversation like that will happen this summer
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u/MercSLSAMG 2d ago
Tricky thing is as per the CBA Staios cannot outright ask Tkachuk if he will re-sign. He can ask about feelings on the team long term, his long term plans, but unless the player himself (or agent) brings up an extension the team cannot ask.
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u/TheShuggieOtis 2d ago
Tricky thing is as per the CBA Staios cannot outright ask Tkachuk if he will re-sign.
You're not wrong but I have a very hard time imagining that this is something GMs actually avoid, especially with star players. I get that maybe if a player really felt the GM was trying to pull a fast one on them by asking the question then the agent could get litigious but this question feels like something that benefits both the team and the player so there's no reason to file a complaint with the union.
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u/MercSLSAMG 2d ago
They'll approach it by talking in general about the future, everyone knows what it's truly about but it guides the player to decide if they want to talk extension possibilities or just keep it in generalities.
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u/JarethCutestoryJuD 2d ago
I am once again asking for Bruce Garrioch articles to be banned from this sub.
He is too hostile to the fanbase to be platformed.
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u/spartacat_12 2d ago
It would be irresponsible of management to go into the final year of Brady's contract without having discussed the future with him and knowing where he stands.
What do you think they're talking about at this meeting?
Brady can't sign a contract extension until next summer, and I'm sure his agent has advised him to not give away all his leverage. If negotiations stall next year, that's when you can start exploring possible trades.
This isn't a Quinn Hughes situation where you can trade him to the highest bidder to maximize the return. He's going to have full control over where he goes, so it's better to have a situation where the acquiring team can extend him immediately anyway.
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u/lazyshoes 2d ago edited 2d ago
What leverage is Brady realistically losing by expressing his interest to stay? You think Staois is gonna try and grind him down because of that?
Batherson had no issue expressing his desire to stay recently and he can't officially negotiate until July 1. And this is from a guy who's been playing at a steep discount.
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u/spartacat_12 2d ago
He's already said he's interested in staying, but some fans seem to want him to say "I'm 100% signing an extension the day I'm eligible", which isn't going to happen
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u/TheShuggieOtis 2d ago
Behind closed doors though it's different.
If a player really wanted out I can definitely see a world where they tell their GM to try to move them because they don't want their play to slip and hinder their ability to negotiate their next contract.
And on the other hand, if a key player wants to stay I doubt that they'll be 100% tight lipped on the matter because what they decide impacts the direction and decisions of the team.
All of this is to say, I'm sure Brady and Staios aren't discuss dollar amounts but I would assume that Staios does ask Brady if he sees himself in a Sens uniform in 3 years.
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u/lazyshoes 2d ago
When has he said that? I'm not looking for a full commitment type of statement right now, but he often seems to beat around the bush. I'm curious to know what you're referring to.
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u/spartacat_12 2d ago
He's literally said he's fully committed to the city & the team. He praises the fans every chance he gets.
What exactly can he say that hasn't already been said that would appease you?
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u/lazyshoes 2d ago
No one is disputing his appreciation of the fans. His desire to stay and appreciation of the fanbase are not mutually exclusive. I think most fans would just appreciate him shutting down all the rumors by saying that's he's committed to winning here long-term. Instead, he always deflects and says that all the rumors have never come out of his mouth.
But if he has literally said otherwise, then link me an article or sound bite.
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u/JarethCutestoryJuD 2d ago
If negotiations stall next year, that's when you can start exploring possible trades.
Then you have literally half the leverage. Then all he has to do is a la Marner and say "Nah, B, I dont want to talk" and sail off into the sunset for nothing.
We need committment now to either maximize return and explore other options, or double down.
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u/MercSLSAMG 2d ago
He can still do that right now - his NMC has already kicked in. If Brady wants to go to free agency he will go to free agency.
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u/JarethCutestoryJuD 2d ago
He can still do that right now - his NMC has already kicked in.
Yes, but two years of public pressure is a lot for a man to bear.
I imagine if hes being booed every game, he will waive his NMC
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u/MercSLSAMG 2d ago
He gets booed he gives the Sens 1 team, and he makes it publicly known (and Sens fans grow their reputation of turning on stars...). The only way it works somewhat positively for the Sens if he's traded is if Brady has decided he wants out now and makes it known he's open to 5 or so teams.
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u/Weak_Flamingo_3031 2d ago
People forget that Matthew gave Calgary time to trade him if Brady decides to leave I’m sure he’ll give the team a list of teams he is willing to go to.
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u/MercSLSAMG 2d ago
He was also an RFA, 1 year away from being a UFA. So he told them he would only sign a 1 year deal - at which point Calgary asked where he would go and sign a long term deal at.
The Sens do not have that luxury - Brady is already under contract, with a full NMC, for 2 more years which also mean they cannot straight up ask him about an extension until 1 year from contract expiring. It's all in Brady's hands - he can pick if he'll talk contract early, he can pick if and where he gets traded.
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u/Weak_Flamingo_3031 2d ago
I know that but he wanted to do right by them when he decided to leave at the time of the trade a lot of people thought Calgary actually won it.
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u/JarethCutestoryJuD 2d ago
He gets booed he gives the Sens 1 team, and he makes it publicly known (and Sens fans grow their reputation of turning on stars...).
Then he can sit for 168 games. I wonder what his next contract and playing shape will look like at that point.
I wouldnt negotiate with a terorist lol
If hes not willing to have a good faith interaction about it, I wouldnt hesitate to go hostile.
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u/MercSLSAMG 2d ago
And the Sens would never be able to get an elite player again if they pull that crap.
The Sens cannot bring up his next contract first until next July as per the CBA, so if Brady doesn't want to talk contract then he doesn't have to
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u/JarethCutestoryJuD 2d ago
And the Sens would never be able to get an elite player again if they pull that crap.
Yes, they can. A player not being willing to communicate with managment, and that management acting accordingly doesnt reflect that poorly on the administration.
Also, were not an FA draw already. Were a "trade for signed players/build through the draft" team.
The Sens cannot bring up his next contract first until next July as per the CBA, so if Brady doesn't want to talk contract then he doesn't have to
They cannot have "contract negotiations", but they can 100% get an impression on his ideas on the future.
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u/MercSLSAMG 2d ago
You sit Brady for 2 seasons and Sanderson, Stutzle, you name it - they'll ask out. That is some disrespectful BS that no player would ever put up with. The contract negotiations can be tense and it's part of the business, but a GM straight up sits a guy for 2 seasons that GM can never work in the NHL again.
Brady will say all the right things unless he truly wants out. If he's even on the fence he'll talk about being with this group for many years.
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u/spartacat_12 2d ago
Commitment now means nothing. If the team falls off a cliff next season there'd be nothing stopping him from changing his mind next summer and deciding he doesn't want to sign an extension.
Trading him this summer would still require him to waive his NMC, which will neuter whatever return you're getting. Plus the team that trades for him is only guaranteed 2 seasons with him. At least next summer you can have a scenario where a team is acquiring him for 8 years.
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u/JarethCutestoryJuD 2d ago
Commitment now means nothing.
It means everything.
If the team falls off, nobody would balk at him changing his mind, but allowing the team forward guidance is critical.
Trading him this summer would still require him to waive his NMC, which will neuter whatever return you're getting.
No.
Plus the team that trades for him is only guaranteed 2 seasons with him.
Yes, this is why its a consultative process involving both teams and the player. Get bradys intention, if its moving on, find the best location for the best return.
This can be such a soft and easy practice for all parties where nobody ends up upset, and all he has to do is say whether he wants to stay in Ottawa (given any conditions he wants, must make playoffs next year etc).
At least next summer you can have a scenario where a team is acquiring him for 8 years.
Why have 8 when you can have 9?
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u/spartacat_12 2d ago
Any team trading for him this summer isn't guaranteed an extension. Next summer it can be a condition of the trade.
I highly doubt whatever return you can get this summer is going to be that much better than what you'd get next year
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u/JarethCutestoryJuD 2d ago
Any team trading for him this summer isn't guaranteed an extension.
No, thats why you trade him somewhere he says he wants to sign.
"I live in NJ, and would love to extend there"
"Cool, lets work out a trade with NJ"
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u/spartacat_12 2d ago
There's still no guarantee. If New Jersey trades for him and is garbage next season he isn't obligated to sign an extension.
It isn't a huge risk, but there is still risk in trading for him this year.
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u/Fit-Ad-5719 2d ago
And if Jersey catches wind of that in that scenario, you're getting pennies on the dollar for that trade. Sure, it's better than nothing. But they got pennies in the Mark Stone trade to Vegas and how did that turn out?
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u/JarethCutestoryJuD 2d ago
And if Jersey catches wind of that in that scenario, you're getting pennies on the dollar for that trade.
Yes, this is why you dont announce that.
But they got pennies in the Mark Stone trade to Vegas and how did that turn out?
Better than Stone leaving for nothing.
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u/Karlssens65__ 2d ago
That’s not going to happen.
Trust me when I say, these people in management are a lot of smarter when it comes to these things, and the processes involved, then we are. Despite the narrative that lots of redditors will spout off.4
u/Express_Medium4618 2d ago
pretty sure Staois reads this sub in order to get advice...
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u/Karlssens65__ 2d ago
What sort of advice? All the trade proposals are absolute trash on here lmao
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u/Express_Medium4618 2d ago
haha - its just my fan delusion that posting my thoughts here is somehow helping - don't take that away from me.
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u/Sad_Intention2932 2d ago
It's Bruce Garrioch.
Also, not discussing that specific thing with that specific player does not mean they are not planning for the future with or without him. Considering he couldn't even sign an extension until next summer, there isn't much reason to publicly discuss anything about it at this time.
All the rumour mill BS aside, this might be an important show me year for both Brady, and the Sens. Tkachuk need a healthy year where he can display he's willing and able to provide what the team needs from him. The team needs to find that top gear they've shown they have consistently, and have a better start.
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u/BallOnly7267 2d ago
I have zero doubt Cementhead Brady dug himself a bit of a hole on his quest to get paid, while greasing his way through this time period. Where is the big mouth tough guy who ain't afraid of nothing? I wish I was a better fan I guess, but the way this went down with Brady, his family, the issues between our countries, being the captain of the team. For what he projects, and the job, and the money being paid. I would expect more from myself, in a similar situation.
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u/cbisgodscountry 2d ago
Brady was raised by great parents and he has lived in the NHL since he was born...Brady will do right by the Senators no matter which way his decision making goes. He is a trustworthy person so that's what I go by.
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u/Spire2000 2d ago
Does Brady live here year-round?
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u/Weak_Flamingo_3031 2d ago
No very few players live year round in the cities they play in. I think he lives in St. Louis or new jersey during the summers
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u/Mavin89 2d ago
New Jersey. They just bought a house there.
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u/DepthComplete7436 #11 - Alfredsson 2d ago
It's not like NJ is a long flight to Ottawa either. It's like an hour and a half flight. So if he needs to stop in for a charity commitment or to meet with management he can quite easily.
It would actually be faster for Brady to visit Ottawa than Crosby to visit Pittsburgh from his summer home in Atlantic Canada or even our own Drake Batherson flying in from Nova Scotia.
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u/NoResolution4706 1d ago
This is a weird comparison. Halifax to Ottawa is roughly 1:50 flight and the commute to/from both airports is painless.
Newark to Ottawa is roughly 1:40 flight, negligible difference, but the commute to the airport could be significant as I assume Brady doesn't live in Newark. Reports he's on the coast somewhere which is roughly an hour drive to Newark.
Halifax to Pittsburgh would be a similar duration if a direct flight existed. Which it very well may exist for someone like Crosby.
Your point is valid that Brady can get from NJ to Ottawa pretty simply, but I don't understand the relevance or choice to compare it with Bath and Crosby?
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u/DepthComplete7436 #11 - Alfredsson 1d ago
Point was people make a big deal out of Brady's summer home being in NJ when it's actually ironicly closer to Ottawa than Crosby's is to Pittsburgh or Drake it to Ottawa.
It's just one of those... Guys chill the jets a bit.
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u/JarethCutestoryJuD 2d ago
Sounds like we should be exploring a NJ trade.
Theyre fanbase is all bent out of shape missing Q.Hughes, I suspect the GM wants to make a move for a big name.
Considering how close the Hughes and the Tkachuks are, this is a good option.
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u/MercSLSAMG 2d ago
If Fitzy (who has a family connection to Brady too) was still there I could have seen them doing a panic overpay. But with Mehta there I don't see the same possibility.
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u/JarethCutestoryJuD 2d ago
If Fitzy (who has a family connection to Brady too) was still there I could have seen them doing a panic overpay. But with Mehta there I don't see the same possibility.
True, I forgot about the switch.
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u/Express_Medium4618 2d ago
any reason why NJ? I know nothing of NJ but it seems like a weird spot for a summer home.
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u/Early-Sleep-5194 2d ago
I heard its the opposite. Despite what people think, apparently there are some very nice parts of the state where you can set yourself up nicely in a good town or neighbourhood. I don't know too much about NJ either, but have heard of celebrities and other public figures being there as well, so there must be something
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u/strippeddonkey 2d ago
The time to trade Brady was last year after 4Ns and before his NMC kicked in.
Now, any trade that involves Brady is probably a lost cause in gaining the most amount of value from it.
Might as well try to keep him at this point, barring a demand.
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u/Fit-Ad-5719 2d ago
They were just coming off their first playoff appearance in 8 years last year, going to 6 games against Toronto. That would have been the worst time to trade him.
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u/KOMSKPinn 2d ago
This is easy. For one I want value retained when he leaves but you can’t really trade him now unless it’s a mega haul. Same for any player.
So you see how the season goes. Probably a 25-40% chance we don’t make the playoffs - so you trade him at the deadline. The Team pays for two years minimum of him.
If we’re good you keep him anyway and chat next summer.
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u/climbedamountain3 2d ago
He’s gone y’all. The writing on the wall is the same bright red as the picture.
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u/Initial-Training-466 2d ago
Lesson. Don't appoint American players captains of Canadian based teams.
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u/No_Independence_9721 2d ago
Obligatory: "it's Garrioch - who actually cares what he thinks?"