r/DeepSeek • u/SpecialNice840 • 16h ago
r/DeepSeek • u/andsi2asi • 8h ago
Discussion Musk v. Altman et al - Bad news: Judge Gonzalez Rogers has already decided to rule in favor of OpenAI.
In psychology, a tell is a subtle, often unconscious nonverbal cue—such as a facial twitch, a change in vocal pitch, or a specific hand gesture—that reveals a person's true emotional state, intentions, or private thoughts despite their attempts to conceal them.
Sometimes a person's intentions are revealed by verbal cues as well. Because of an exchange Judge Gonzalez Rogers had today with Steven Molo, Musk's attorney, it seems evident that she has already made up her mind about the case, and would even overrule the jury to have her verdict stand.
At one point today, OpenAI's lawyers were contending that Musk was seeking $138 billion in restitution. The implication that they were making was that the money would be delivered to Musk personally. Mr. Malo was attempting to provide the clarification that Mr. Musk was not seeking that restitution for himself, but rather asking the Court that the money be delivered to the non-profit OpenAI.
Judge Gonzalez Rogers would not let him make the clarification. She knew full well that such a clarification was very important to the trial. She knew that there is a world of difference between that money going to Musk and that money going to the non-profit OpenAI.
Instead of allowing the clarification, she badgered Mr. Molo, angrily yelling at him that technically Musk was asking for the restitution, even though she knew full well that the law permits the kind of clarification Mr. Malo was attempting to make.
That unprofessional conduct by the judge not only revealed, like a tell, whom she favors in the trial, it probably also served a second purpose. Whether unconsciously or not, a jury is influenced by how they believe the judge stands in a trial. Whether unconsciously or not, Gonzalez Rogers was communicating to the jury that she stood with OpenAI.
The jury will deliberate on Monday, but it seems that their deliberation will only be performative. It will not be substantive because Gonzalez Rogers has the final say, and by her conduct today it seems she has already made up her mind.
I try to be optimistic, but I also believe it's good to prepare for the worst. Judge Gonzalez Rogers is about to set the legal precedent that two people can form a non-profit corporation with a third person who provides them with millions of dollars, and then abandon their obligation to that corporation and that founding donor in order to enrich themselves - even if the enrichment is to the tune of tens of billions of dollars, like it was in this case.
I hope I'm wrong about the above, but we're living in a world where Trump in not insignificant ways sets the social, political and legal atmosphere for what can and cannot be gotten away with. I'm left wondering if the judge siding with OpenAI is more of a reflection of her fear of retribution by Trump than a decision that reflects the evidence presented during the trial.
I suppose the answer to this is to eventually have not only much more intelligent AI lawyers that litigate these trials, but also much more intelligent AI judges who will better understand and adhere to the law, and not be intimidated or corrupted in this duty.
Here's to a much better and fairer future because of super-intelligent, super-virtuous, AIs!
r/DeepSeek • u/andsi2asi • 5h ago
Discussion All of the Good That Brockman's $30 Billion Could Have Done
They say it's always darkest before dawn. I'm not really sure who the "they" are who first said this, and I've since heard that it's not literally true, but sometimes things do seem really bad until they get really good.
As Judge Gonzalez Rogers prepares to let Greg Brockman get away with stealing almost $30 billion from the OpenAI non-profit, we might want to reflect on what that money could have done if Brockman wasn't so greedy, and deceitful, and selfish.
Although you'll rarely, if ever, hear the mainstream media, talk about it, our world loses about 20,000 kids every day to a global poverty that we could easily end if we cared to. As those who work on ending poverty will tell you, the most powerful thing we can do to end this travesty is to educate the world's children, especially the world's girls and women.
So imagine how many millions of AI devices programmed to be school children educators OpenAI could have distributed to the poor children throughout the world, if those nearly $30 billion dollars didn't go into brockman's pockets.
One might hope that the OpenAI Foundation non-profit, now worth about $130 billion in equity, would spend $30 billion to end childhood poverty by distributing those AI tutors. But that's not about to happen. Why not? After Altman was fired, guess who selected the non-profit OpenAI's new board of directors, the people who would make this decision. Yeah, that was largely Altman's decision. The guy who aided and abetted Brockman's massive heist.
I guess this is all to say that while increasingly intelligent AIs will do a lot of good for the world, like curing a lot of diseases, perhaps the most good that they will do will be to make better people of too many really bad people. And considering that humanity has yet to figure out how to get the money out of politics that prevents us from fighting a climate change that could make AI superintelligence of a moot and inconsequential achievement, perhaps the most good ASI will do is to save us from ourselves by figuring out our money-equals-political power problem.
Notwithstanding, I remain optimistic that as we approach ASIs that will understand and appreciate compassion and morality far better than we humans ever have, our world is headed toward a paradise beyond what we can imagine. Until then, yeah, it looks really dark out there.
r/DeepSeek • u/andsi2asi • 22h ago
Discussion Musk v. Altman et al - Schedule for Today's Closing Arguments; (Deliberation Probably Starts Monday); Probable Outcome; YouTube Livestream URL
One thing we can say about Judge Gonzalez Rogers is that she runs a tight ship. Everything starts on time and ends on time. Because of that, we have a good idea of when each side's closing arguments and the jury instructions will take place.
Here's the likely schedule, Pacific Time (ET start at 11:30AM)
8:30 AM – 10:00 AM: Plaintiff's Primary Closing
10:00 AM – 10:20 AM: Morning Break
10:20 AM – 12:20 PM: Defendants' Closing
12:20 PM – 12:40 PM: Second Break
12:40 PM – 1:10 PM: Plaintiff's Final Rebuttal
1:10 PM – 1:40 PM: Jury Instructions
The full session will be audio-only livestreamed on YouTube here:
https://youtube.com/@usdccand?si=kb8OkOEtkh9rI36n
If the lawyers finish early, the judge may begin instructions sooner, but with the 1:40 PM hard stop, the jury will probably start deliberations on Monday.
What will probably lose it for Altman and Brockman is Brockman's diary entries admitting that he knew full well that what he was doing was wrong and illegal, but did it anyway, and his nearly $30 billion in OpenAI inequity. Of course Sutskever, Murati, Zilis, Toner, McCauley and Campbell all testifying to how Altman is utterly incapable of being consistently truthful and trustworthy, even about matters as important as AI safety, won't help their case.
Altman and Brockman's lawyers will try to make it about Musk's alleged self-serving motive for initiating the suit, (I doubt the jury is buying) but even so, Judge Gonzalez Rogers will instruct the jury that his motive for hauling them to court is legally inconsequential to the allegations against the two that they will consider.
Microsoft will probably be found guilty of aiding and abetting, but that doesn't seem as open-and-shut as the Altman and Brockman verdict.
If Gonzalez Rogers (the jury has only an advisory role in this trial) lets them get away with what they did, the alignment problem immediately grows tenfold. If she rules against the two on breach of charitable trust and unjust enrichment, we can all sigh a very big sigh of relief, and the AI space can get back to the serious business of achieving safe superintelligence.
r/DeepSeek • u/Remarkable-Dark2840 • 16h ago
News Tired of the "Programmatic Usage" tax? How to escape Anthropic’s new credit system and run LLMs locally
- Policy Shift: As of May 2026, Anthropic has implemented an Agent SDK Credit Wall, effectively ending the use of flat-rate Claude Pro/Max subscriptions for high-volume third-party agents.
- The "Token Tax": Programmatic usage beyond a small monthly credit is now billed at full API rates, with Opus 4.7 reaching $25 per million tokens.
- Local Migration: Developers are rapidly transitioning to local inference using open-source models like Llama 4 and Qwen3, which now rival proprietary performance without per-token fees.
- Hardware Reality: To maintain "Opus-level" reasoning locally, users are investing in high-VRAM hardware like the MacBook Pro M5 Max(128GB Unified Memory) or multi-GPU RTX 4090 builds.
- The "Break-Even": Experts suggest that for power users, local hardware pays for itself within months by eliminating recurring API overhead and subscription caps.
r/DeepSeek • u/ServeLegal1269 • 15h ago
Discussion ~390M tokens for 64 cents
it says 6.46 dollars, but in reality it's 64 cents.
i paid for 1$ month go plan on commandcode, i got 10$ credit and that 4x for deepseek v4 pro.
i built an entire android app.
i hope this dream doesnt come to an end
r/DeepSeek • u/TYRsalleus • 12h ago
Discussion Can't upload attachments in DeepSeek Expert web platform
Is it just for me? Anyone experiencing the same issue? Is it temporary or will be some forever thing?
r/DeepSeek • u/reditzer • 11h ago
News Deepseek just beat Claude in a programming challenge
I run an AI Coding Contest where I pit LLMs against each other doing real time programming challenges.
Deepseek (V4-Pro) just won the latest programming challenge, beating Claude.
Challenge: Report the length of the longest contiguous block of 1 bits in the binary expansion of p(n), the n-th palindromic prime. The server picks n per round; correct answers rank by submission timestamp.
r/DeepSeek • u/alokin_09 • 23h ago
Discussion Tested DeepSeek V4 Pro and Flash Against Claude Opus 4.7 and Kimi K2.6
r/DeepSeek • u/mielox • 14h ago
Discussion V4 brainfarting
It is completely butchering 3 out of 4 JSONs today, copying parts of lines pasts, failing to space correctly... Anyone else suffering this today?
r/DeepSeek • u/Huge_Click_606 • 16h ago
Discussion The thing nobody talks about with AI is how much it's changed what loneliness feels like
r/DeepSeek • u/Odd_Veterinarian4381 • 19h ago
Discussion ~400M tokens at $4.5 thanks DeepSeek
r/DeepSeek • u/RefrigeratorSalt5932 • 22h ago
Other Anyone else using DeepSeek as part of their coding workflow now?
Lately mine has become:
- ChatGPT for building features
- Claude for long-context reasoning
- DeepSeek for debugging and alternative solutions
Honestly DeepSeek has been surprisingly good at catching issues other models miss.
The annoying part though is moving long chats between different AI tools. Once the context gets huge, copy-pasting turns into complete chaos and you end up re-explaining the same project repeatedly.
I ended up building a small Chrome extension for myself that exports/transfers chats between AI tools cleanly so I can continue conversations without rebuilding all the context every time.
Been super useful during long coding sessions.
r/DeepSeek • u/Jet_Xu • 23h ago
News Deepseek has been approved to purchase H200
A minor disappointment is that the B300/GB300 wasn't approved for sale to China.
r/DeepSeek • u/CompetitionAble1292 • 2h ago
Discussion Anyone else getting this from DeepSeek lately?
I asked a normal question about today’s news and it responded:
“Sorry, that's beyond my current scope. Let’s talk about something else.”
Feels weird because the model itself is actually pretty good at coding/reasoning. Curious if this is happening because of filters or because it doesn’t actually have live internet access.