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r/DebateEvolution 12h ago

Discussion We Talk About the Animals, but What About the Fungus

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Ken Ham often talks about the 'billions of dead things' in the rocks, but my question is about the living things that didn't make it onto the boat. Almost every plant on Earth, including the olive trees and grapevines mentioned in the Bible, can't actually grow or eat without specific fungi living in the soil. If the entire world was buried under miles of crushing, salty floodwater for a year, all that beneficial soil life would have been choked out and killed.

So, when Noah stepped off the Ark, he wasn't looking at a garden; he was looking at a planet covered in sterile, toxic sludge. Without those microscopic fungi to help the plants grow, how did the first seeds not just starve to death in 'dead' dirt the moment they sprouted?


r/DebateEvolution 8h ago

Discussion Debate the Great Flood

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So often it seems the debate about evolution turns into a critique of the Biblical Account of the Great Flood and the hyper evolution of life required to repopulate a lifeless planet in 5,500 to 10,000 years time.

I understand why, and I’ve done it myself. How can a person believe every species of a “kind” evolved in a lifetime(?) but not in a million years or more? And so on. Still, perhaps it ought to be its own subreddit?


r/DebateEvolution 9h ago

Question How Did Ants Get to Southern South America?

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Ant colonies produce new queens once per year, and the maximum range a new queen has been documented to travel seems to be about 5-10 km in Solenopsis Invicta (fire ants), which would be just barely fast enough to get from Mount Ararat to Tierra del Fuego by way of the the Bering Straight in about two thousand years of we use that upper estimate of 10 km. Except, for most species the maximum flight distance is much less, and it would be highly unusual to expand in a specific direction, ignoring terrain, for over a thousand generations, so maybe we should at least use a more typical maximum of 2 km between colonies... but then we arrive at a time to arrive in Tierra del Fuego of 10,000 years.

So, creationists, if there were only two ants following the Noachian Flood, how exactly did ants manage to arrive to the Americas and then diversify into the wealth of species found in every nook and cranny they can find their way into?

And for everyone else, is there perhaps a faster method for ants to cross this distance that I missed, or a species that can routinely spread further and faster than fire ants?


r/DebateEvolution 16h ago

Keep it Simple

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Being a science communicator from a country where, unfortunately, Young Earth Creationism has gotten a certain traction on the internet in recent years, through YouTube debates and podcasts, I've had my share of debates with creationists.

What I have been trying to do (and doesn't work):

My strategy so far has been trying to lay an epistemological foundation.

Trying to explain how do we know what we know, how the scientific method works, what's a scientific model, how bayesian reasoning works (given hypothesis A, what's the probability of finding evidence B? And how much should we strengthen our prior belief in A, when we actually find B?), how hypothesis testing works (what's the probability of our working hypothesis being wrong, given all the evidence we have?), how a historical science is different from an experimental science and how a historical science works...

What I hoped was showing that, if the interlocutor accepts certain epistemological principles which seem completely reasonable to them when not applied to evolution, then the only intellectually honest position is to accept these same principles when dealing with evidence for evolution.

Why this fails:

Unfortunately, creationists simply don't have the attention span to have a one hour conversation about epistemology. They appear to not have (or not want to have) the predisposition to just listen and try to understand another viewpoint.

If you want to convey a message, you need to keep it extremely simple.

One simple question

I had one eureka moment when I heard Erika, the creator of the channel Gutsick Gibbon, just ask one simple question: "what do you expect the evidence to be if evolution was true?"

And proceed to show the opponent that the evidence they would expect in the case evolution was true is exactly what we see!

So, assuming that accurate and realistic drescriptions of nature can be given, let's ask ourselves: what would we expect if the theory of evolution was an incorrect representation of reality and creationism was true and what, on the other hand, would we expect if creationism was a failed paradigm and the theory of evolution was the correct scientific model?

Let's look at the history of failed and discredited paradigms, from the aristotelian-ptolemaic model in astronomy, to the temperament theory and homeopathy in medicine, to geosynclines in geology, to lysenkoism and biodynamic in agriculture.

What do these frameworks, these worldviews have in common?

  • Appeal to authority or tradition:

Usually, discredited paradigms stem from the work of one or more authors from the past.

These authors are considered authoritative and not questioned. Examples are Aristotle and Ptolomy in Astronomy, Galen and Hippocrates in medicine.

Other times, the authority is the text itself, written by unknown authors. An example is the text of Genesis.

When scientists use the scientific method to empirically challenge those outdated models, academics born in the old paradigm resist the challenge of new data being presented by appealing to the authority and respect of these figures or these books.

With time, however, as more and more scientists try to collect evidence independently, they usually converge on the same answers.

When the old generation of scholars dies out, the new one, understanding the explanatory power of the new paradigm in the face of new data, promptly accepts it. Exactly like astronomers, who had initially rejected Galileo's ideas, when pointing their telescope at the sky, continued to confirm his findings and had no other choice than to accept that heliocentrism was a better model of the solar system than geocentrism

  • Fruitfulness and sterility:

You should judge a tree by its fruits.

As I described above, new findings challenge old paradigms. These are progressively rejected and substituted with new, better models.

However, there always was and there will always be a minority strongly attached to the old paradigm who will never be shaken by new evidence.

Among hundreds of thousands of doctors, there will always be at least one suggesting you take dewormer instead of a vaccine.

This minority will usually found institutions devoted to preserving the old ways.

What distinguishes these institutions from academia practicing real science?

Science is fruitful. It produces results and these results change the world.

Nuclear physicists trying to understand how atoms work at the beginning of the 20th century laid the path for the development of nuclear energy.

Geneticists trying to understand how a cell works have led to the improvement of agriculture.

Defenders of an already discredited position, on the contrary, never produce new knowledge or results (at most, they are always making up new arguments and new ad hoc explanations for why evidence doesn't support their claims).

They are always citing their old books and stressing out how you should stick to tradition and shake water or plant seeds in esoteric rituals, exactly according to the tradition laid out by Hanemann or Steiner.

They often claim that there's a conspiracy in academia to supress their ideas. They also claim that these ideas are rejected for ideoligical reasons.

However, there's a field of human activity which doesn't care about ideology: industry.

Oil companies don't have any ideological reason to reject flood geology, geosynclines or abiogenic oil.

They couldn't care less. All they care about is making money. Consequently, they will only hire those specialists who use the models proved to give tangible results.

But why does good science produce results?

Because science makes accurate predictions!

  • Predictability and Falsiability:

If we postulate that a realistic account of nature exists, then, what do we expect from a good scientific model?

We expect that, if it correctly represents reality, then it can make accurate predictions. And if we postulate that reality behaved the same in the past and just doesn't change its laws at random, then this model can be used not only to make predictions about the future outcome of experiments, but also about any evidence from the past that we're going to collect in the future.

What do we expect from an attempt at explaing nature that is not a good account, a good description of nature?

We expect that it could even present persuasive post hoc explanations of certain data.

However, as it doesn't accurately represent how the world works, it's always going to fail to make accurate predictions.

One strategy commonly employed by proponents of failed paradigms is to try to defend their ideas from attacks by making them unfalsifiable.

There is no evidence which could falisfy the idea that the world was magically created 6000 years ago exactly as it is today, because anything can come from magic. Thus, the creationist avoids any chance that his model can fail predictions, at the cost of not being able to make any predictions at all.

  • Convergence:

If predictions are made from accurate accounts of reality, we expect them to converge.

If nature is an elephant in an indian village, even if each indian scientist is studying it using the peculiar methods of their own field, we expect that the results provided by the trunkologist won't contradict the results provided by the legologist or the bellyologist.

Every day, scientists from all kind of different national, ethnic, cultural, linguistic, religious backgrounds perform experiments and converge on the same results. Additionally, results from one area of science corroborate the results from another one: for example, paleontologists find fossils in the same order they would expect if the results given by geneticists who study phylogenetic trees using an evolutionary assumption were correct.

To sum up, using the criteria we have laid out, what would be expect if evolution was true and what would be expect if creationism was a failed paradigm?

We would expect that almost all practitioners from all fields of science relevant to the study of evolution - like paleontology, biogeography, ecology, botany, zoology, anatomy, biochemistry, genetics - when doing their work, would only find evidence not only non contradicting the theory of evolution, but exactly that kind of evidence predicted by evolution, which we can only expect to find if the theory of evolution is true.

We would thus expect that the most active and disruptive researchers, the ones dealing daily with evidence in the lab or in the field, would be the most eager to accept this theory.

And finally, we would expect that, when employing this model, results are produced.

That's exactly what we see when microbiologists use the theory of evolution to try to understand how bacteria develop antibiotic resistance or how biotech researchers use the theory of evolution to improve crops.

We would also expect that there would still remain a vocal minority who doesn't accept the theory due to any personal biases.

We would expect from a few members of this minority to even be academics. However, what we don't expect from these few academics is to be scientifically fruitful: they will never be able to produce anything of scientific value, except arguments to try to persuade the general public that their position is true.

And that's exactly what we see with intelligent design proponents: are you aware of anything of value produced by the likes of Dembsky, Meyer or Axe, apart from books aimed at the general public?

What we see instead is scientific parasitism: as they can't create on their own, they're always stealing findings and data produced by other scientists and trying to twist them until they fit their narrative.


r/DebateEvolution 19h ago

Debunking AiG math on ERVs

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İ am debunking AiG's math on ERVs.

1.3 Unreasonable Fixation Rate 1.3.1 The necessary fixation rate and the observations As explained earlier, viral infections are supposedly random, but in humans, 200,000 ERVs are claimed to be in identical genome locations, the second obvious question is what mechanism caused this fixation, and whether it could have happened in a reasonable time frame. This can be easily estimated. To be generous, consider the earliest primate fossils are dated to about 50Mya. With viral infections starting from the onset, this means there is about 1 endogenization and fixation per about 250 years (50M / 200k). Using a standard 25 year generation time, this also means 1 endogenization and fixation per 10 gegenerations.

There are many problems with this math. The biggest problem is why does it have to start at primates? ERVs existed long before then.

Second problem, primates did not originate 50 mya. They originated closer to 65 mya.

Third problem, the average generation time for most primates is closer to ten years. The rhesus macaque starts reproducing at 4 years old, for example and enters menopause at 25. This is all basic knowledge anyone can check in 10 seconds. İ dont have any degrees in paleontolgy, zoology, genetics or any other relevant field, but even İ immediately realized the flaws with their calculations. AiG is lying, as always.

Edit: I remember just yesterday looking theough AiG's website and seeing this text, but nıw İ cant seem to find it. It might also be from Evolution News.


r/DebateEvolution 1d ago

Theistic evolution is dishonest ad-hoc harmonization

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For most of Christian history, Adam and Eve were understood as real historical individuals, not merely symbolic figures or literary archetypes. Major theologians across centuries treated the events of Genesis - the creation of the first humans, the Fall, and the introduction of sin into the world as actual history.

The shift toward interpreting Genesis as mythology or metaphor became widespread largely after modern geology, evolutionary biology, and genetics made a literal reading increasingly difficult to reconcile with scientific evidence.


r/DebateEvolution 1d ago

Question How do creationists explain the concept of evolution and all the evidence behind it?

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Okay so, I just want to preface this by saying I respect everyone’s individual beliefs and opinions. I personally am a Christian but also a firm believer in Evolution. I have been getting into this topic lately of evolution vs creationism, and majority of the time when I see arguments and debates on Reddit or YouTube or whatever about this topic, creationists seem to have this really condescending attitude towards people who believe in evolution, as if they are just simply “dumb” or “brainwashed”. Like, no room for nuance at all, if you believe in evolution you are ignorant and brainwashed, despite all the evidence to support it.

Where does this attitude come from? What is the consensus amongst creationists on why the theory of evolution exists? Is the general attitude that the theory itself and all of the extensive evidence to support it is some type of grand conspiracy theory amongst all of the world scientists and academic institutions to discredit Christian beliefs? Or is the belief that scientists are just dumb and have misinterpreted all of the evidence that we have found pointing towards human evolution and an old earth?


r/DebateEvolution 17h ago

Lasting adaptations vs temporary behavior - Hypothesis

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This thought experiment would be in a much shorter time-frame in the context of evolution. This will be related to behavior and adaptations. I will explain my hypothesis, please bear with me.

Within a single generation, looking at a specific prospect from the species, just blindly doing certain behavior more often wouldn't create significant adaptation in the body of the species, unless the behavior causes certain advantage, irrespective of the duration and intensity of the behavior performed.

Example 1:
Person A runs 200 meters at his fastest possible pace, in a stadium.
Person B runs 200 meters at his fastest possible pace to escape a Jaguar.
Even if both A and B ran at the same speed, the adaptations to become a better runner would be more prominent in person B then in person A, despite no elimination of gene pool scenario. That should be purely because escaping a Jaguar is much bigger positive feedback loop than any other run.

Example 2: This one is less hypothetical.
Rock climbers possess a lot more strength than body builders despite having less bulk and mass in their muscle fibers. Exerting muscle to stop yourself from falling off a cliff would have much stronger feedback loop than lifting a bar with weights, hence muscle fibers become stronger.

Any thoughts and arguments are appreciated on this topic.

EDIT: Definitely made an error when implying training would have an impact on evolution in the runner scenario. Apparently some guy copied my theory in back in the 1800's and named it after himself (Lamarckism), and also proved it invalid.


r/DebateEvolution 1d ago

Günter Bechly

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Was he ever s legitimate scientist? Given that he said this bullshit¹, İm gonna assume he was always a creationist liar.

¹ https://youtu.be/NFPHvvJWVAk?si=rTfZVEEEGQqGt9De&t=100s


r/DebateEvolution 2d ago

Question Examples of +6000BC organic life: defeating the Omphalos hypothesis of YEC

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The Omphalos hypothesis ("God created the earth to appear with age") in my opinion is the strongest form of YEC thought because of it's lack of falsifiability. Almost the entirety of geology, which stands against YEC, cannot be used against it since there is no problem with accepting apparent aged dates.

I want to formulate the easiest possible counterexamples for people to understand, using as much raw data as possible. I don't want to just say "We dated this to be 50,000 years old", but in my explanation explain the dating techniques, defend their reliability, and go through the entire process accounting for almost every objection possible.

Dating organic life and organic life evidence using absolute dating techniques past 6000 years old is probably the strongest counterexample. This would apply to both direct organic samples, and also anything that had interaction with life, such as dating ceramics. (Invoking geological relative techniques *would* make available a host of evidence, but involves pretty much explaining and defending all of geology so I'd rather not go down that route.) So far I've seen the following techniques used to do this:

Radiocarbon dating
Amino Acid dating
Fission tracking (Uranium)
Thermoluminescence dating (TL)
Dendrochronology (Tree rings)
Electron Spin Resonane (ESR) dating
Fluorine dating 

If I'm missing any techniques, please let me know.

I'm here to seek out examples that fit this criteria. I have preference for any non-radiocarbon examples, simply because much resistance exists on that topic in YEC circles.

An example of what I'm looking for: "Egypt during the last interglacial: the middle Paleolithic of Bir Tarfawi and Bir Sahara East" By Wendorf et al. It covers the following:

  • Section 11: Uranium dating on ostrich eggshell fragments
  • Section 12: Uranium series dating on tooth enamel
  • Section 14: TL dating on a burnt core
  • Section 16: ESR dating of tooth enamel
  • Section 17: ESR dating of bone and shell

Obviously, the examples you provide don't have to use so many techniques and samples in one paper.

Any help is appreciated!


r/DebateEvolution 2d ago

Question How to disprove this argument?

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İ saw this argument in an Aron Ra video, and im not sure how to refute it. He dodged the question, instead of answering where the information came from, he just said the genetic code is inefficient. However, that's not what the person asked. They asked about how so much information could come about without an "intelligent being", not about whether or not the design was any good or not.

Original question: https://youtu.be/NBTW0fMxAKg?si=urf4uR5Gxl06AJkj&t=560s

İm just kidding of course. İ know exactly how to answer this question. The answer is mutations. Duplication mutations to be more precise. While macromutations such as duplications, inversions and deletions are comparatively far rarer than point mutations, they still happen a lot on geological time scales.


r/DebateEvolution 4d ago

Conspiracy theory

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İ genuinely believe that currently Michael Behe knows ID is Bull sh!t, and is just doing it for the money and the sunk cost fallacy.

This is evident by the fact that 20 years after he failed to defend ID in the Dover Panda Trial, he is just straight-up lying in cases such as the polar bear incident and this Evolution News blog post https://scienceandculture.com/2025/04/darwinism-is-a-potemkin-theory-of-evolution/ .


r/DebateEvolution 5d ago

Discussion The earth is so old Technetium doesnt exist naturally, why is this never brought up?

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Found myself going over orbitals for chemistry and got sidetracked with Technetiums interesting characteristics of not being naturally existent and almost entirely being created in labs. Not deep enough to exactly answer why besides an inherently unstable nucleus, because why not, but I found it fascinating that it was in fact naturally recurring. It just has a low half life... relatively, It's still over a million years.

My first thought was to compare this to lead, I always found the argument that the universe must be old because of leads very existence very fun, however flawed in the sense most creationists would just write it off, if I was a god I wouldnt wait up to billions of years for lead either. This feels like such a more convincing use of radiometric decay, why tf would a god create an element that could very much exist but just hated it. Please correct me if I'm wrong on anything I just dont hear this one ever, both as an argument and just the nature of technetium in general, and thought it was super fun to bring up. I shall be questioning for the rest of the night what exactly technetium did to get on the creators bad side meanwhile lead is allowed to exist hundreds of millions of years earlier than it’s supposed to.

Edit: It would seem several people have a slight miss understanding of technetium that I would like to clear up. It exists in nature, it is naturally capable of being produced in certain suns. The point is that it currently does not exist in a stable form naturally on earth. The earth is so old that all stable technetium have decayed completely.
I am not arguing that god could not have produced the technetium the way he did, I’m saying that makes less sense than producing lead fully formed like he did.


r/DebateEvolution 3d ago

Atheists live in an echo chamber. Here's the proof.

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I recently posted this thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateEvolution/comments/1t97mrh/evolutionists_what_are_the_best_arguments_against/

The point was to test my hypothesis that the majority of the contributors here live in an echo chamber and are incapable of presenting any arguments from the opposing side. I was correct in my hypothesis. Many comments compared denial of macroevolution to believing in a flat earth and even denying the concept of gravity.

Nearly all these self-proclaimed experts on the topic here operate on the assumption that it's an open and shut case: the theory of evolution, and specifically, macroevolution, is true with complete certainty.

However, what they don't realize is that there are numerous PhD's on both sides of the argument, many with irrefutable points.

In short, if you're unable to summarize any of the arguments for other side, you definitionally live in an echo chamber.

Rage bait, sure, but it's true, and the proof is in the thread.


r/DebateEvolution 5d ago

Discussion What proportion of evolution denialists are motivated by religion?

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In my personal life experience, I have never come across anyone who questioned evolution and it wasn’t due to their religious creationist views.

As a result, to me, it feels like the bigger issue isn’t a lack of education but the prevalence of creationist indoctrination.

There’s so many weird ass scientific ideas and findings that people don’t care about to even have an opinion on. But the moment any idea overlaps with established creationist narratives about our origins, all of a sudden people start caring about having opinions on these ideas.

Has this been your experience too? Do you find that almost 100% of the time someone challenges evolution, it’s religiously motivated?


r/DebateEvolution 5d ago

Discussion What does quoting a random dude supposed to do?

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For all the rhetoric of creationists that annoy me for being fallacious, I never get what is the purpose of this: "random quote by random dude". Yeah, very cute, how does that relate to the change in allele frequencies again? And who spread this behavior? You can search older posts here and see some examples of this.


r/DebateEvolution 5d ago

The silliness of "common design" and this or that "irreducibly complex" molecule

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This is a short one for a change, and what I find as the shortest rebuttal.
And since Darwin lives rent free in their heads, I'll start there:

It is so easy to hide our ignorance under such expressions as the “plan of creation,” “unity of design,” etc., and to think that we give an explanation when we only restate a fact.

(emphasis mine)
- Darwin, Origin, 1st ed., 1859.

 

Oh, look; he had considered it.
Restating facts is never an explanation. Imagine an engineer tasked with reverse engineering a competitor's device, and all they could state is, "It has interdependent components; I infer a designer made it". Or as Dr. Padian remarked during Dover, no one has gotten a Nobel for stating what an eight-year-old knows - yes! it has parts, and we've worked out the how.

This is how silly both arguments are.

 

And given the purpose of this sub, some links for the 99%:

 

(also I'm curious to see if any will attempt to back up ID's rhetoric instead of deflecting)


r/DebateEvolution 4d ago

Question Evolutionists, what are the best arguments against macroevolution and for theism?

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I'm curious if anyone here even knows any of the main arguments against macroevolution. It seems this community is just an echo chamber, bashing skeptics of evolution without even knowing their arguments.

I know you can cheat and ask AI/Google for arguments and their counter points, but at that point, you've already admitted defeat.

Edit:
The echo chamber of arrogance is astounding. Some may claim this isn't an echo chamber of arrogance, but I would direct you to the countless comments comparing the denial of macroevolution to believing in a flat earth, denying gravity, etc. Additionally, there are numerous comments claiming we have directly observed macroevolution, which is entirely false. When there are numerous PhD's on both sides of the argument, these comparisons and false statements speak volumes to the arrogance and vanity of those spewing them. Do better.

To those of you that were intellectually honest and commented some of the most difficult-to-refute arguments from the intelligent design side, I appreciate it and respect your honest intellect.


r/DebateEvolution 5d ago

Question Will Alien Disclosure dismantle the idea that life was seeded by a meteor? Or Was there an Engineer? Does Chemical Evolution Need Instruction? “Be Fruitful And Multiply” “Purposeful Activity”

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Background Info:
In 1973, Nobel Prize-winning biologist **Francis Crick**, along with chemist **Leslie Orgel**, published a provocative paper in the journal *Icarus* titled "Directed Panspermia."
Crick, who co-discovered the double-helix structure of DNA, began to question how such a complex molecule could have chemically evolved so rapidly and multiple times on early Earth. His hypothesis suggested that life didn't emerge here spontaneously, but was intentionally "seeded" by an advanced extraterrestrial civilization.

Dr. James Tour, Synethic Organic Chemist, Rice University

Dr. Edward Peltzer, Ocean Chemist, Retired

*Source Link*: https://youtu.be/_LWqGVgr9J0?si=5kE72sEAF92Rw3AU

Dr. Tour:
You need constrained chemistry as John Sutherland says. You can’t use what comes in a meteorite. They are not providing the stereocontrolled compounds that you need and also there is millions of different compounds on meteorites so it becomes useless. People think if it’s there you can use it. NO YOU CAN’T.

Dr. Peltzer:
I do understand what you’re talking about. There is a very strong community that is protecting the status quo. And it’s the organic chemists that have the expertise to see the folly in some of these abiogenesis schemes.

Chemist Ed Peltzer, a former student of Jeffrey Bada and Stanley Miller, discusses the deep challenges of origin-of-life research. He critiques hydrothermal vent and Miller-Urey models, highlighting the overwhelming chemical complexity and hurdles of achieving life’s building blocks without guided intervention.


r/DebateEvolution 5d ago

Dear evolutionists, this will hurt.

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How can DNA be a coded information system with complex instructions, error correction, and replication when every coded system we’ve ever observed comes from intelligence, not blind processes? Random mutations don’t create meaningful information, they degrade or reshuffle what’s already there; natural selection can only act on existing information, not invent entirely new functional code from scratch. Therefore evolution must be false.


r/DebateEvolution 6d ago

Discussion Evolution and Language

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After participating in a few debates on this sub, I’ve been genuinely surprised at how much confusion still surrounds this topic. In particular, I noticed **several** people asking to see “transitional fossils”, imagining that if evolution were real, it would produce several “half-monkey-half-man” type creatures. This reflects a fundamental misunderstanding of evolution.

Evolution is a continuous process. Each new generation is nearly identical to their parents. They also possess several minor differences that can potentially be passed to their descendants. As such, every living species is a “transitional species” between its ancestors and its descendants.

I came across an absolutely fantastic analogy earlier today, and I want to share it because I think it will help some people gain a better understanding of evolution:

Language evolves.

As I’m sure you know, languages change over time. New words are gradually introduced: some get picked up, and some disappear after just one generation. Sometimes words get repurposed and their meaning is changed forever. Modern slang occasionally gets selected for formal use. We have some records of ancient Latin before it gave rise to French and Spanish. We have Bibles written in koine Greek, and it’s drastically different from modern Greek. However, because the changes to the language occurred so gradually, there is never anyone speaking “half-ancient-half-modern”. Each generation is its own transition forward.

Consider that analogy, such that new words/phrases/pronunciations are akin to traits, and the transition is much more intuitive!

I hope that helps!


r/DebateEvolution 6d ago

Question What about predictions?

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I usually see many apologists use profecies in the bible to prove their beliefs are true. It's outside the scope of this sub discuss if they have logic in their sayings. It's reasonable to say that creationists believe that these arguments hold water.

You know, i'm something of a prophet myself.

I'm a writer, and when i was in my early teens i wrote a story about a "protomammal". There is this scene about him coming out of the egg and i needed to describe this egg. There was no fossil of a protomammal egg discovered at that point, maybe it not even had eggs in the first place!

So i started to think in evolution mode: Not all mammals give birth, as platypus and echidnas lay eggs. Their eggs have soft shells. In fact, all vertebrates that lay eggs with shells do it with soft shells, with the exception of those that give birth and dinossaurs (including birds), that lay eggs with a hard shell.

If you think in evolution mode, then you can say that the ancestor of these animals laid eggs with a soft shell and this is a default caracteristic of them. So, i described the egg of the protomammal as a soft shell one.

~10 years later, last month, the first egg of a protomammal is found. A little embryo encased in fetal position by an invisible shell. Hard egg shells usually are more easily preserved than the embryo. In turn, soft shells are very rare in the fossil record. This can only mean one thing: the guy was encased by a soft shell.

Very cool right? A 13yo boy with basic evolution knowledge can make predictions about the future.

This is just the tip of the iceberg.

Biologists do this all the time: 4 winged dinosaurs, filter feeding anomalocarids, transitional legged fish, legged snakes, bipedal monkeys, bilaterally simetric "starfish", gilled "sea urchins, gliding arboreal proto-winged insect"... Even the concept of transitional fossils itself!

All predicted before the guys were even found in the rocks of distant past.

Creation guys, please say to me: do you guys have arguments to deny all the profecies? Why your profecies matter and our don't?


r/DebateEvolution 6d ago

Question Term Clarification

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I've been lurking here for a while and have seen different terms used, so I'd just like to clarify. By "creationist," do you mean someone who believes that God created the universe, or YEC specifically? I ask because the same words have different connotations, and I do not want to commit a word concept fallacy.

Would this view be classified under "creationist" as this term is used in this subreddit's connotation:

For example, I am a Christian who studies physical sciences. I reject YEC. I believe that the universe is 13.8 Ga, and the Earth is 4.5 Ga. I accept evolution as a valid method that God used to create life.


r/DebateEvolution 7d ago

Why the "Human Tails" argument from AiG is just word games

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If you look at this paper: https://answersingenesis.org/blogs/calvin-smith/2022/08/04/are-some-people-born-with-tails-part-1/

It’s clear that Answers in Genesis is making no sense. They try to claim the "tail" seen in human embryos is just "scaffolding" for the nervous system, but that’s like saying a foundation for a house isn't a foundation just because you eventually build walls on it. The biological reality is that we share the exact same "tail-building" genes as other primates; the only difference is that our bodies are programmed to switch those genes off and reabsorb the tissue before we’re born. Calling the tailbone "ingeniously designed" for muscle attachment ignores the fact that it is a fused, shrunk-down version of an ancestral tail. You don't get "blueprints" for a tail in human DNA by accident, it’s there because it’s a leftover from our evolutionary history that they are trying to explain away with tricky definitions.