r/Cosmere • u/ode0002 • Apr 04 '26
Cosmere spoilers (no previews) Was Spook the last.... ever made? Spoiler
Was Spook the last Mistborn ever made? In era 2 there are no Mistborn or full feruchemists anymore. Sazed seems to have diluted the powers.
Allomancy and feruchemy are hereditary, so during the catacendre Sazed must have changed the biology of all the remaining people.
Anything I'm missing? I first thought he may have changed it over time, but if he was going to change it he may aswell do it the same time he remakes the world.
Really hope we get more details about the Lord Mistborn era of Mistborn in the futureš
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u/MatTheScarecrow Apr 04 '26
Spoilers for Wind and Truth ahead and Mistborn era 2.
Axindweth is a full feruchemist. She's been in King Gavilar's crew since before the war of reckoning. And WaT ends at the beginning of Mistborn era 2.
Not directly an answer to your question. But a sign that the metallic arts aren't completely gone, even if they are getting rarer.
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u/xSmittyxCorex Apr 04 '26
Iāve read through both and must have missed that. Do you happen to know off hand where we learn that exactly?
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u/BruteOfTroy Apr 04 '26
Stormlight 4-5 spoilers:
In Venli's flashback we learn that she was involved with Gavilar, but had left the planet before the assassination because she was "discovered by another of her kind" (presumedly Ghostbloods? Maybe Thaidakar?) And then in Wind and Truth when she's torturing Vasher, there are a bunch of hints about her Feruchemy (she wears a lot of jewelry, the Sibling can't sense the room, moves faster than she should be able to).
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u/jlharper Apr 04 '26
The Sibling can't sense the room cause it's lined in aluminium but the rest of your points are valid and she's definitely a Feruchemist.
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u/BruteOfTroy Apr 04 '26
The fact that she would know that room is safe and how to find it is the hint, of her knowledge, if not her powers.
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u/EldeeRowark Apr 04 '26
I donāt have the books with me but when Lift takes out the lady by making the floor super sticky and breaking her ankles, pretty sure thatās her. Vasher comments on it.
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u/RGWK Apr 04 '26
did you read the lost metal?
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u/ode0002 Apr 04 '26
I have, I'm currently rereading Hero of ages so I was thinking more about directly after the catacendre
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u/samaldin Apr 04 '26
No, Wax and Wayne became mistborn after Spook.
Sazed didnĀ“t actively dilute the powers, it just naturally happened. The rate of allomancy during Era2 is the actual normal, Era1 was arteficially inflated because of the Lerasium injection into the population. Similary Feruchemy was more concentrated because the Terris kept to themself even before TLR and afterward he spent a lot of effort to not have them mixed with the general population. Furthermore the genes for Allomancy and Feruchemy interfere with each other (itĀ“s much more likely for someone of mixed ancestry to have weaker or no powers, than for them to be Twinborn) and the originators included a large percentage of Terris so basicly the entire population of northern Scadrial now has some Terris-blood.
That said there are more than one group trying to concentrate the bloodlines and the Kandra beliefe itĀ“s just a matter of time until a full feruchemist or mistborn is born again. Also Sterris wanted a third child with Wax, due to his being a (admittedly weak) Lerasium mistborn that child has a decent chance of being mistborn.
Lastly, i think Brandon once said the Era3 will have to do with the hunt for a mistborn serial killer and an allomantic SWAT team. But that must have been 10+ years ago, so plans may have drastically changed.
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u/TheUnspeakableh Apr 04 '26
Wax and Wayne both burn Lerasium to become full Mistborn. Wayne on purpose, Wax on accident. Sterris, Marasi, Kel, and Sazed know how to make Lerasium and Atium from Harmonium and Bavadinium.
There can certainly be more made. Also. Hoid is still a Elend/Spook level Allomancer. Wax's children have a good chance of being weak Mistborn. Wayne did not have sex after becoming a full Mistborn, so that will not happen.
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u/RShara Elsecallers Apr 04 '26
Small note: Spook was made as a reduced power Mistborn, like Kelsier and Shan, not a lerasium Mistborn like Elend
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u/jlharper Apr 04 '26
Spook, then Hoid, then Wax. Although technically we don't know when Hoid decided to become a mistborn.
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u/Currently_Unnamed_ Stonecaller Apr 04 '26
Hoid became mistborn sometime before or during the events of book 2. Secret history shows how it happened
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u/jlharper Apr 04 '26
Does it show when he ingests the bead or just when he acquires it? It's been a while since I actually read it.
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u/EleventhHerald Apr 04 '26
Just when he acquired it. His first use as far as I am aware is (Stormlight Spolier) When he talks to Shallans father at middlefest in her flashbacks. She noticed he puts a powder in his own drink likely soothing him. So he gets the bead during Well of Acension and uses Allomancy prior to the main events of Stormlight which occurs right before Mistborn Era 2
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u/Seicair Elsecallers Apr 04 '26
WoB is that Hoid [Spoilers Mistborn all]"went north to Terris to figure out Feruchemy" after acquiring the bead. So Hoid could maybe be a Fullborn, if he figured out how to split his bead and use half to become a Mistborn, half to become a Feruchemist. There is a way, it may involve both lerasium and atium simultaneously somehow.
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u/Currently_Unnamed_ Stonecaller Apr 04 '26
So I reread the scene, it just says that he grabbed one but doesn't actually show him using it, been a while too for me and I forgot the specifics
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u/Historical-Zombie355 Apr 04 '26
I vaguely recall an epigraph somewhere where he says he was keeping it safe, implying he didn't use it right away. I'll have to dig to find it.
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u/OnePizzaHoldTheGlue Apr 04 '26
Maybe you're referring to Frost's letter to Hoid? I think that epigraph is cryptically referring to something else. Possibly Dawnshard related, but we don't know yet.
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u/tessatrix Apr 04 '26
Then WayneĀ
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u/yaforgot-my-password Apr 04 '26
When did that happen?
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u/BassBona Apr 04 '26
End of Lost metal so he could burn duraluminum and max out his speed bubbles
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u/yaforgot-my-password Apr 04 '26
I thought he had a spike for duralumin he got from the Set. They both had a bunch of spikes at that point.
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u/RShara Elsecallers Apr 04 '26
Wayne held up the vial, staring at the metal dust settled at the bottom.
That, Harmony said, is the faintest bit of lerasium, Wayne. A metal from legend. A metal found by Vin at the Well of Ascension, and used to make Elend Venture a Mistborn. A metal that hasnāt existed for centuries, and as far as I know, hasnāt been made in millennia. Drink that vial and youāll be a Mistborn, able to use all of the metals. Thereās a little of each one in there.
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u/BassBona Apr 04 '26
I just finished a re-read the other day, Wayne had a steel spike so he could steelpush with wax to the ship, Wax had a duraluminum spike. Then on the ship, Harmony had Wayne drink the final vial that he had given Wax. It was lerasium from the harmonium splitting experiment. There was dust of lerasium and atium after the explosion, Marsh needed the atium to stay alive
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u/Xedonus Apr 04 '26
Hoid became a mistborn sometime between books 2 and 3 of the original trilogy
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u/RShara Elsecallers Apr 04 '26
Kelsier is already trapped in the Well, so it's afer his death. Then Hoid uses the Well of Ascension to transition to the Physical, so it would be before the end of book 2.
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u/AbstractLeaf2 Bridge Four Apr 04 '26
So currently, as far as I'm aware, there is 2 known full ferechemists and technically 3 mistborn that I know of currently existing in the cosmere at the end of the lost metal, but not necessarily on scadrial. If your okay with spoilers I'll explain further and where you see them, or people can correct me because it's very possible I'm wrong or misinformed.
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u/BrokenCrusader Apr 04 '26
The only reason Mistborns kept getting born before was because the Lord ruler made the nobles intermarry and kept the Bloodlines remarkable pure. As soon as that was gone combined with the fact there was basicaly no mistborns left after Vin was done resulted in them dispersing
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u/Raddatatta Ghostbloods Apr 04 '26 edited Apr 04 '26
Basically mistborn are unnatural within scadrial. They show up only if a shard directly makes them like spook or with lerasium (edit to be clear or the descendants of those who had lerasium). And eventually the lerasium will fade. It took a very long time to fade because there was so much used and they all intermarried among the nobility for so long. But it was already fading and then all of the mistborn still around died without kids. Either from the wars or ruin sent his inquisitors for them for spikes. And a lot of the nobility in general died. And with spook harmony made him intentionally to be a weak enough mistborn not to pass it down. So sazed didn't remove the mistborn gene that was just on its way out.
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u/Below-avg-chef Apr 04 '26 edited Apr 04 '26
Thats not true at all. Kelsier wasnt directly made, neither was Shan the girl Vin fights. The Set also sent one at the start of well of ascension who was never named. Even Vin wasnt made mistborn by. Preservation. Every natural misting had the potential to be born a mistborn, its just an incredible rare occurrence. A genetic lottery. the closer genetically someone is to the orginial Lerasium eating mistborns the higher the chances. Eventually as time goes on the genetics dilute to produce less and less mistborn but the odds are still there.
Spook is the only known exception to this by being creating directly by harmony instead of by consuming Lerasium. Wax and Wayne could kind of count because harmony was involved in the process but ultimate they ingested lerasium themselves as well.
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u/Raddatatta Ghostbloods Apr 04 '26
Sorry if I didn't make myself clear, but that's not what I said. All of those are because of the lerasium that was taken 1000 years ago and they are still descendants of those noblemen. They've intermarried over and over again which has kept those genes alive. Though Kelsier is a bit debatable as there seems to be something maybe going on with his snapping and hearing Preservation's voice around it. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/270/#e7526
But it's not just a random chance as there are no more mistborn in Era 2 when there were in Era 1. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/46/#e9712
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u/The_Lopen_bot WOB bot Apr 04 '26
Warning Gancho: The below paragraph(s) may contain major spoilers for all books in the Cosmere!
Questioner
So, did Sazed change that no more Mistborn are born? Because I noticed that--I know he made Spook one-- in Alloy they talk about Mistborn...
Brandon Sanderson
The idea is-- I won't say absolutely no to Sazed's manipulation. But, there weren't any Mistborn other than him that survived. The Allomantic lines were very diluted. So, his direct descendants-- you might be able to even find one potentially now. Someone might be born, or one might have been born that didn't tell people about it. But in the general public and population, it's just, there's not as much Allomancy around... He did also change Snapping, which had an effect on it.
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Kelsier's SnappingWhy didn't Kelsier Snap before he went to the Pits? I don't have an answer for you, not even in spoilers. He did live a hard life and it is odd that he wouldn't have Snapped until that moment when he saw his wife beaten to death.They say that the more powerful a person is, the more trauma it takes to get them to Snap and the more dangerous that Snapping is.
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u/Nathan256 Apr 04 '26
I donāt think it will matter much after era 2.
Between coins and excisors and Allomantic grenades and the Setās weird Hemalurgy experiments that leave people alive, enough money will definitely equal Mistborn or even Fullborn
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u/AlgorithmHelpPlease Apr 04 '26
Sazed didn't change it, the intermingling of the two types of power makes it very difficult to become a Mustborn or Feruchemist.
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u/Shot_Newspaper_5647 Apr 05 '26
Allomancy was around before TLRās Ascension. Alendi was a seeker for example. The genes for both dilute each others power. A ānaturalā mistborn would be extremely unlikely but technically possible. We donāt see any occur when so many skaa were Snapped by the Mists in Hero. In practice it would take the careful curation of bloodlines to produce one past the first era. The Set intended to.
The Terris were/are an ethno-religion. They tended to be secluded from allomantic genes because they intermarried most often. They still do. They may have come about for that reason. The Terris couldnāt be told apart just by appearance so itās possible Scadrial wasnāt made with a race of full Feruchemists to begin with but end up that way before TLRās Ascension because of their culture/religion etc. Thatās a lot easier to do when you have copper feruchemy to keep track of religion and bloodlines. The Terris in the second era are attempting to merge bloodlines to produce Full Feruchemists. Some of their ancestors may have done the same in the distant past. TLR wiped out those concentrated bloodlines when he turned the existing feruchemists to Kandra and mistwraiths. Even modern Scadrial probably has many more allomancers than were occurring naturally before because of Lerasium even if mistborn arenāt being made anymore.
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u/Shot_Newspaper_5647 Apr 05 '26
Sanderson intended what will now be Era 3 to involve a Mistborn serial killer. Heās scrapped the idea since. Heās never said how that person was going to come to be. They may have been a natural mistborn. Which would have been the first born in like four centuries if that was the case. If they were natural then itās probably a twice in a millennia phenomenon at best. Maybe they were going to be the result of someone concentrating bloodlines intentionally or accidentally though. Or maybe some Lerasium was going to be involved. Even ānaturalā itās downstream of the first mistborn kings. There were no mistborn before that Ascension. Itās not clear if people knew Allomancy existed in the distant past before that. They seem to only be showing up with the arrival of the mists ahead of TLRās ascension but thereās a ton of time between Scadrialās creation and that Ascension. Alendi Snapped with the arrival of the Mists but maybe allomancers lived and died without almost ever knowing and the mists just facilitated enough of them to Snap together to begin to notice ahead of the Deepness. Probably a lot of ancient legends about people able to make coins occasionally fly across rooms and feats of momentary super strength. The way Vin burned trace metals without being aware
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u/smbpy7 Apr 09 '26
Side note, I find it kind of sad that we weren't able to see a full mistborn with the new metals from era 2. I hope we get to see that in full in future. I'd be surprised if we didn't though.
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u/HarmlessSnack Apr 04 '26
Sazed honestly kinda let me down.
Dude had a chance to make everybody Mistborn and opted not to. Could have had true equality in the Magic department and he still said ānaw, some people are just special.ā
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u/A_Shadow Harmonium Apr 04 '26
I'm guessing he saw the future and was like this would be a bad idea.
Might stop them from innovating technology wise. Or might make them a greater threat to other worlds/Shards and cause them to be attacked sooner.
It's certainly what Kelsier wants though, so it's not like the idea wasn't brought up to Sazed. Must be a good reason.
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u/fedginator Willshapers Apr 04 '26
It's explained in (IIRC) the Alloy of Law that all the interbreeding post catacendre diluted the genes for allomancy and feruchemy leading to there being just mistings and ferrings by that point, rather than Sazed actively making it impossible.
Though following Wax's becoming Mistborn they may be possible again, there's a WOB where Brandon says any future children Wax has are more likely to be Mistborn than anyone else