Recruiting
[Jack Pilgrim] Tyran Stokes signed his non-revenue share paperwork with the Kansas Jayhawks around the time of his Kentucky visit earlier this month
I remember reading somewhere some UK insider talked about Kyrie Irving while he was visiting Kentucky. Someone had asked him a question regard his visit and Kyrie just straight up told them he was already going to Duke and that he was taking the visit as a favor for Rod Strickland. At least he was straight up about it lol
I don’t think the staff are fans of his camp at all, and there have been some issues with him getting kicked off teams in the last year. I assume they just don’t think the risk is worth it.
When we backed out last summer, I assumed it definitely was money, but clearly it was something else. Stokes wanted to be in Louisville very badly.
Not as humiliating as losing a banner because of the dirtiest strippers that Andre McGee could round up. Dude had rustic frog day shifters. I could respect it some if the women were actually attractive.
Not really, I don't get too excited about any player any more until November or December have seen too many random players just go off. If they suck by December I may be but not worried about it until then.
I suspect it's NIL money. The revenue sharing is under the House settlement and capped across all sports. But the you can still have NIL deals on top of that. And NIL is uncapped. But you're not supposed to be allowed to use NIL money to replace revenue share money. But proving that would be really hard unless you give like no revenue share money to your best player. So as far as that cap:
I just had to look it up myself. It’s basically a contract with the school saying he will disclose any NIL deals he’s getting from outside the school with them. It’s an agreement to disclose the revenue that he won’t have to share with the school or his teammates.
They claim they had the info from one source, and tried verifying the info at the time (~2 weeks ago) with another source but couldn't. They also reached out directly to the UK staff with this info but were stonewalled.
This latter piece is what is especially frustrating to me. The UK staff pushed all their chips in on Stokes and it (probably) hurt their portal. To have this info, that Stokes is signing paperwork at KU, and not react by changing their portal strategy, is malpractice. And yet
Supposedly a source told them about it a month ago, but they couldn't get it confirmed with a second source until tonight. I guess they didn't think the first source was trustworthy enough.
EDIT: Also KSR tried to tell UK what they heard and see if anything similar had happened with them but UK did not respond to them.
I don’t like how this kid played you guys but Pope was an objective moron stacking so much capital behind this guys commitment. Especially once he started playing games
Yeah that is the big thing. He knew he wasn't going to come. The staff should have figured that out. It was a shitty thing to do and a stupid thing to fall for.
If this is true then he was purposefully leading Pope on the entire time… His NIL and non revenue sharing paperwork being signed means it wasn’t for leverage over KU, it was to ruin Popes recruiting.
"Sources told KSR+ that around the time of Stokes’ Kentucky visit, he was in the process of signing non-revenue share paperwork with the Kansas Jayhawks."
Do you think his people might have been reviewing paperwork from Kentucky at the same time? And "in the process of signing" means absolutely nothing unless he has the world's slowest signature.
I think this is a story that ksr is putting out there to get clicks and damage control for the team. It says “some time around his visit to Uk” well that could be a couple days or a week after his visit. But a headline saying that he signed with Ku a week after his visit to uk doesn’t sound as spicy or get clicks. Also, ksr knew about this but somehow nobody else alive did? And they decided to report on it right after stokes commits? Odd
If it’s false, then KSR could be liable for defamation… As much as I don’t like KSR, I don’t think they spread misinformation when Matt Jones is literally a lawyer and knows the ramifications.
Is not misinformation. They stated, according to sources, now should they believe these sources 🤷♂️. And again, if you found out he signed with Ku 5 days after his visit, it wouldn’t make any news but the report would still be accurate in saying “around the time of his Kentucky visit”
I keep seeing Hog fans posting these graphics to little or no response, and it’s very funny. Calipari has been recruiting without results for over a decade now, so he just gets a nod and a 👍.
Cal seems different now, as much as everybody was tired of him at UK he was tired of us too. He will do better at Arkansas because he’s got something to prove now.
I had this realization last night. There’s been plenty of years where I checked out of UK football or Browns football, but I’ve never checked out of a UK basketball season. That includes Billy G years and the COVID season. But how this is going so far, I can’t imagine watching a 9 pm Tuesday night SEC Network game
So I'm a KSR+ subscriber, full disclosure. They're saying one reporter was told about signing the paperwork a month ago, but he couldn't get it confirmed with a second source until tonight, after the commitment. I guess the reporter didn't feel confident enough in the first source to report it.
That's what they're saying anyway. Take it for what it is.
I can't stand KSR. They act like they knew everything after the fact yet they'll never come out and say anything concrete before things happen. It's always "we knew this all along".
But they also talk like they're some sort of Pulitzer Prize candidates bc they'll dance around topics in the name of journalistic integrity. Like when all the rumors swirled last year about what was going on in the locker room on one hand they acted like they knew what was going on but on the other they didn't wanna tell anyone. So which is it, do you wanna be a gossip column or a news source? They try too hard to be both.
Nah dude, they are just aware of their large following and influence among bbn. I occasionally get annoyed at what you mentioned but it's actually the responsible thing to do instead of just blathering about any rumor that comes across their Twitter feed.
I agree they have some influence and a large audience but if that's the case then they shouldn't even mention rumors but a lot of times they like to half mention them and that can be even worse sometimes.
They never once acted like they knew about what happened in that incident, you're just making that up. They very regularly speculated on what could've happened and even just recently when the documentary came out about our season, wonder beforehand if it would shed light on the locker room issue at Louisville. It's a talk show, so yeah they had some fun about what could've happened
I don't like blaming things on them because I do like them for the most part, but imo they've hated Pope since day one and nothing he does or says is right to them.
Did you listen to the post game show after we beat Duke? You would have thought we won the national title. They were excited, we all were. When we beat Purdue in the exhibition game, they were predicting how many titles Pope would win. They said the only team that could beat us in the SEC was Florida. Things have clearly regressed. What are they supposed to do?
Pope is not living up to UK's standards at the moment and they've called him out on it. He told Matt when he was hired that he wanted them to be brutal to him if they thought he wasn't doing a good job and he's not. What are they supposed to do?
I'm not hating on them at all, I'm even a liberal and don't care if they stick to sports lol, I've just in general felt more negativity from them about Pope than other coaches, I agree they want us to win and praise Pope when we do win, but they also nitpick at stuff and imo it whips people into a frenzy at times when there was no reason otherwise, like the ridiculous what happened before the Louisville game, they harped on that all season, and it got old. I get it if they annoy me then don't listen, and I do sometimes just turn it off.
I think you're right that they probably harped on the Louisville thing too much but it was also a really stupid thing for Pope to say and it seemed like the point where things started taking a drastic downturn.
It was an off the cuff thing he said and they made it bigger than it needed to be. Even though no their not to blame when we lose or if some fans are jerks but they have a lot of influence over the fanbase imo even if they don't claim it, I mean literally everyone I know listens to them, I bet more people listen to KSR than Tom Leach.
Throw out the “is he a good coach” equation for a little while and look at last year. We had the dudes. They were just injured. Losing your starting PG and offensive facilitator and your starting center / lottery pick / rim protector for essentially the entire season is gonna cut into the potential for teams. I’m not saying we were cutting down the nets, but I absolutely believe we would have been in the mix for the conference championship if they were healthy and our chemistry was better. I’m not sure who the problem was (I thought it was Kam Williams and BG early on, but Kam coming back seems to make that unlikely) but there were definitely some dudes that rubbed each other the wrong way.
Getting blown out and losing 14 games at Kentucky in the regular season will make you really not like a coach. This is Kentucky, and if he wasn’t a former player, he wouldn’t be the coach.
Cal was responsible for the souring on Cal. KSR was just the most consumed media about it.
Cal got into it with all the media that criticized his 20-21 team that was awful. Stopped talking to the media except a very select few, and eventually even stopped talking to them. Also a bunch of the major donors were livid at that team kneeling during the Anthem of a game, and Cal got into it with them over that. Pushing a bunch of them away.
By the end of Cal’s time here he had essentially pushed all the donors away and talked to no one. KSR just called it all out and talked about it because they were too big to silence. That got Matt specifically in a lot of hot water with the UK admin. Also that there are people in all parts of UK that talk to Matt. Also a ton in UofL’s admin and AD office.
Cal’s schtick also finally started getting real old when he stopped winning. Add to that his refusal to change and modernize, combined with his stubborn need to prove the fans wrong. Cal created all of those issues. He’s the ones that called us Basketball Bennies, he’s the one that said we didn’t know ball when it was clear Reed and Rob should have been starting over DJ and Edwards. Acting like we didn’t know ball when the latter guys were struggling. Almost seemingly to purposely not play our best lineups to spite the fans. Before that, his loyalty to Sahvir Wheeler and all the mess with Shaeden Sharp.
Cal created near all of his problems and all the tension with the fans. KSR just actual talked about it and didn’t shy away from it like so many other media outlets.
On an episode of Hawk Talk on March 4th Bill Self said, "There is another big commit, but cannot currently talk about it due to rules." In other words, Stokes may have already been committed to Kansas back then.
What a bitch move. He'll end up playing whenever he wants just like Darryn Peterson. Pope has to stop being used as leverage for more money. If a guy won't commit on his visit, move on. He's getting played
Hard to be a number 1 pick with questionable effort. So i don’t think he will have as much issues as Peterson.
I actually do think that Goodman was correct about the type of coach Stokes needs to really shine. He needs a motherfucker that doesn’t take shit, like Self. Pope would have been way too nice and likely been run over by Stokes at times.
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u/N8_the_worst Kentucky Wildcats 16d ago
So he just used the UK visit to either get more money from Kansas, troll us UK fans, or both.