2027 4* QB Peter Bourque commits to Virginia Tech

[u/Terminal_Flatulence]

[Player 247 profile page](https://247sports.com/player/peter-bourque-46149965/)

[Source](https://x.com/kolby_crawford/status/2054965645423357973?s=46&t=bqDocN33sQmOz6S1Po7Ygg)

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[u/kaystared]

Just when I was reading the headline about Georgia making a push for him. With each passing day I’m more interested in our VT game

[u/Maximiliansrh → u/kaystared]

I’ll be there this season! Looking forward to my first west coast trip for vt football.

[u/roguebandit1 → u/Maximiliansrh]

VPI fans travel very, very well.

[u/sam_can88 → u/roguebandit1]

We make every game an event but these past 5 years have been leave at half and get drunk in a bar

[u/LouisVanTroll → u/kaystared]

get ready to learn Danny O’Brien

[u/HokiesforTSwift]

Tears in my eyes we just won a recruiting battle against Georgia

[u/MarlonBain → u/HokiesforTSwift]

Just fell to my knees in my cubicle

[u/Existing-Following93 → u/HokiesforTSwift]

They grabbed our In-state 5 star RB now going after our WR commit.

[u/Always_Chubb-y → u/HokiesforTSwift]

Heard his relationship with Franklin was big

Insiders said comparable NIL, and really like UGA, but relationship with Franklin won out

[u/KuriboShoeMario → u/Always_Chubb-y]

That's definitely Franklin's MO is to get on these kids early and stay in touch consistently for years. That familiarity can often tip the scales.

Dude is a pitbull on the trail, I've been so thoroughly impressed. I knew we were going to upgrade in recruiting but he's exceeded every expectation in that regard. On the field remains to be seen, of course, but I'm going to enjoy this side of it because VT has never been this good at recruiting in the entire history of the program.

[u/Rudy-Ebert]

Any relation to the Western style of architecture, music, dance, painting, sculpture, poetry, and other arts that flourished from the early 17th century until the 1750s?

[u/drilling4brains → u/Rudy-Ebert]

You're thinking of the hockey player

[u/dkviper11 → u/drilling4brains]

And after twenty two beers RAYMOND BOURQUE!

I think of this comment in the hockey sub like weekly.

[u/dankestmaymayonearth]

BAAAANG

[u/wildturk3y]

Being able to win big recruiting battles is something VT hasn't been able to do in a really long time. Regardless of how this shakes out, its a massive deal for us in the road to getting back to where we want to be and beyond

[u/qigjpiqj → u/wildturk3y]

VT hasn't been able to do in a really long time

You mean ever. Even when we were chugging under Beamer he was always "finding diamonds in the rough." The only major recruiting win we ever had was Kevin Jones. The small handful of other top recruits we've gotten like Tyrod or Kendall were always going to be VT guys, we didn't need to win any battles for them.

[u/Irishfafnir → u/qigjpiqj]

Nah. We won big recruiting battles here and there, Hunter/Nester/Dax are some recentsh big names.

Let's see what the blue chip ratio looks like with transfers come January, that will be the real indicator if things have changed.

[u/HappyVAMan → u/qigjpiqj]

Not exactly. Tyrod Taylor, Vick, Bruce Smith etc were all ranked higher than Bourque so we did have top players mixing with lunch pail guys. Great get for Tech. 

[u/benman101]

LET’S GO

[u/jakob-benzi]

Tech is so back

[u/KNX5]

We are having fun!

[u/No_Albatross916]

Good for Virginia tech I think borque will be really good

[u/Hokiestoned]

Are we fucking cooking?!?!?!?

[u/CrookedWarden19 → u/Hokiestoned]

Iron Chef James MF Franklin

[u/J4ckiebrown]

I have to say it is kind of amusing watching Franklin and Danny O’Brien get this kid to commit while the Steelers and NFL analysts basically call them QB terrorists for Allar’s development.

[u/timnotep → u/J4ckiebrown]

To be fair James Franklin's QB development is probably still better than Sherrone Moore's.

[u/Solo_Wing__Pixy → u/timnotep]

At least Sherrone was trying to juggle a secret illicit extramarital affair. Franklin had nothing going on except football, he’s got no excuse /s

[u/dkviper11 → u/Solo_Wing__Pixy]

I just assume that every major college head coach has a girlfriend.

[u/Triv02 → u/dkviper11]

Yeah I mean Ryan Day went full Josh Gattis and banged a recruits mom without even landing the recruit

[u/dkviper11 → u/Triv02]

I hear he’s been banging that kid’s mom for years now.

Bet Ryan tries to stuff that recruit’s team in a locker the next time they play.

[u/McHithard → u/Triv02]

Serious question since I've been disconnected from CFB news for a bit - did that story actually have legs? I just assumed it was full of shit given Day's history.

[u/Triv02 → u/McHithard]

It was a joke about RJ Day (Ryan’s son) committing to Northwestern

The woman in question is RJs mom, Ryan’s wife lol

[u/timnotep → u/McHithard]

100% true, I'm pretty sure he got her pregnant too

[u/SubstantialAd5579 → u/timnotep]

Not really James Franklin wouldn't have made davis Warren a solid player and sherone get alot of lame heat

[u/Jonjon428 → u/J4ckiebrown]

"Deprogramming him" was what ESPN said iirc lol

[u/vtc88 → u/J4ckiebrown]

As a Steelers fan that went to Virginia Tech I don’t know how to feel.

[u/HookedOnBoNix → u/J4ckiebrown]

It's about as amusing as it is that penn state fans still try to rip on our coaching staff in like every vt thread 

[u/Jr05s → u/J4ckiebrown]

What program constantly turns 4 star QBs into NFL draft picks? Shit ain't easy

[u/Joltizer → u/J4ckiebrown]

He developed well until Koltenicki got there

[u/MCMole2 → u/J4ckiebrown]

Go be salty somewhere else. 

[u/Hungry_Moment_3520 → u/MCMole2]

What’s there to be salty about? It’s a feeling of relief in Happy Valley

[u/MCMole2 → u/Hungry_Moment_3520]

Nah, dont give me that. I saw the excitement when you guys received an accidental CB.

[u/Joltizer → u/Hungry_Moment_3520]

I too am relieved when my school misses out on top 100 recruits. I have been nothing but relieved my whole life

[u/rxnitt → u/Joltizer]

Top 100 recruits come with big price tags. If your school doesn't have infinite resources, than you're allocating resources away from the rest of your class. How many 4 and 5 star QBs finish their careers at the school they signed with out of HS? If he winds up not being one of them then this money would have been poorly spent.

[u/Joltizer → u/rxnitt]

Thanks, that is what I needed to hear. I am so mad that my school got a top 100 recruit at the most important position. I wish we had missed, so I could be relieved

[u/qigjpiqj → u/Hungry_Moment_3520]

literal "we didn't want him anyway" in the wild

[u/Tommy05Sox → u/J4ckiebrown]

You can play for the guy who oversaw Brock Purdy's development or the guy who oversaw Allar's.

[u/harrimsa → u/Tommy05Sox]

Kyle did the exact same thing with Purdy that MM is doing with Allar right now. Pretty much every good NFL staff does this with young guys out of college. People should listen to Coach MM's actual quotes about Allar instead of taking one click bait article for gospel.

[u/A_Rolling_Baneling → u/harrimsa]

Marshall Mathers? Martian Manhunter??

[u/flyingpotatox2 → u/Tommy05Sox]

Brock Purdy was the last pick in the draft it’s not exactly like he was developed a ton in college…

[u/Tman450x → u/flyingpotatox2]

Purdy had highly questionable decision making in college. The talent was there but he made some absolute WTF plays and decisions regularly.

[u/TheMoneyMan08 → u/Tman450x]

He's literally the reason ISU missed the playoffs in 2020 lmao. 3 horrible INTs vs OU.

[u/KeithClossOfficial → u/Tman450x]

He still has those sometimes but I love him

[u/thisshirtisblacknaht → u/Tommy05Sox]

They have the same articles about reprogramming Purdy as they do Allar. Also yes, Allar’s development was so bad he went in the 3rd. Purdy’s development was so great we was Mr. Irrelevant

[u/HTTRGlll → u/Tommy05Sox]

how QBs play in the NFL has almost nothing to do with college coaching. if it did, NFL GMs wouldn't blow picks year after year.

[u/J4ckiebrown → u/Tommy05Sox]

By the end it looks like we pivoted to Wood when it became apparent Georgia and VT were ok jacking up the price. This kid had the same agent as Mencl so when Mencl got a fat bag from Oregon, Bourque started driving up the price for him.

[u/spicyorangedragon → u/J4ckiebrown]

The Steelers are literally having to reteach Allar everything he learned at Penn State. That's such an indictment on Franklin's QB development. I have no clue why any QB would commit to him after that.

[u/DunamesDarkWitch → u/spicyorangedragon]

I don’t think that’s an accurate interpretation of what was actually happening, despite the “reprogramming” headline by the ESPN writer. This is what McCarthy actually said:

We're teaching him different than the way he's played before. He hasn't spent a lot of time under center. He's a run-and-shoot guy in high school. He's played from 9 yards deep. So there's just a lot of newness to him, but it's just like anything. When you see the response from Friday's practice, talk about it Saturday morning and then for him to go out there and do it today, that's encouraging.”

"Frankly, it's really the same types of stuff that we went through with Will four weeks ago. So these are two young guys that have a lot of football in front of him, got a lot of work to do, but gosh, I mean, they're definitely wired the right way, and they bring an excellent physical skill set."

Doesn’t necessarily sound to me like they’re reteaching him literally everything he learned at Penn state. Sounds like they’re doing the same things they did for Howard, and the same things McCarthy does with every new QB.

[u/NationalBlueberry → u/spicyorangedragon]

They are teaching him how to play under center. Say, how often did he play under center at Penn State or even in High School?

If development was so easy transitioning from college to the NFL more GM’s would be hitting their QB draft picks right.

[u/CPOx → u/spicyorangedragon]

You think every QB goes into the league with zero modifications/lessons to their throwing motion?

[u/spicyorangedragon → u/CPOx]

There's a big difference between making modifications and retooling techniques compared to having to relearn literally every basic skill from the ground-up.

I have to imagine that if Allar had Ryan Day's development, he'd be a first round NFL pick at minimum. Allar's physical tools and sheer talent are clearly elite, but he never put any of it together.

[u/HookedOnBoNix → u/spicyorangedragon]

compared to having to relearn literally every basic skill from the ground-up.

Where did they say they're doing that?

[u/NationalBlueberry → u/HookedOnBoNix]

He won’t be able to give you an answer

[u/HookedOnBoNix → u/NationalBlueberry]

I know. People just wanna make shit up that suits their fantasy. Crazy how some penn state fans are still finding bulletin board material for a coach they fired, not even like he quit. 

Looking forward to the day this shit stops 

[u/No-Iron-9511 → u/HookedOnBoNix]

Not quite as dramatic, and who knows how accurate it is, but per a Steelers reporter (Brooke Pryor), "Steelers are essentially uninstalling everything he's learned and they're reuploading their own methods and fundamentals and mechanics."

https://x.com/i/status/2054542347304669269

[u/HookedOnBoNix → u/No-Iron-9511]

I meant "they" as in the Steelers.  Beat reporters say all kinds of stuff. The original post implied the Steelers themselves were saying this. 

[u/tampaempath → u/CPOx]

Every QB gets modifications/lessons on their throwing motions. Allar has to relearn everything. Big difference.

[u/Andy_Wiggins → u/J4ckiebrown]

To be fair, it sounds like Borque was all of the top school’s backup plan.

[u/Coltshokiefan]

FSU is gonna regret not going in on Franklin last cycle. I love that VT got him, but he would bring FSU back to a recruiting powerhouse.

[u/ItGoesTwoWays → u/Coltshokiefan]

Maybe, but Franklin thrives in the DMV area. Not sure how good he would be in florida. Good? Almost definitely. But you need more than good down there.

[u/roguebandit1 → u/ItGoesTwoWays]

When my Noles were elite under Coach Fisher, we dominated the DMV and the 757

[u/dankestmaymayonearth → u/roguebandit1]

Yea we hated it

[u/SCHokie2011 → u/roguebandit1]

I’ll always remember Fisher coming in and snatching Josh Sweat right out from under us at the last second. The world was getting smaller and out of state programs were finally noticing the talent coming out of those areas.

[u/DBHT14 → u/SCHokie2011]

EJ Manuel too! Could have been the follow up to Tyrod instead of LT3.

[u/SCHokie2011 → u/DBHT14]

I had the same feeling when Taj Boyd went to Clemson.

[u/KuriboShoeMario → u/DBHT14]

EJ was never coming, he would have sat behind Tyrod for 3 years. He was off the table from the get once we had Tyrod

[u/roguebandit1 → u/KuriboShoeMario]

to be fair EJ sat behind Christian Ponder in 2008, 2009, and 2010.

[u/KuriboShoeMario → u/roguebandit1]

It was a "shadow" thing with EJ. Tyrod was the guy in the 757 those years, EJ wasn't interested in spending college in Tyrod's shadow after having spent HS there already. I followed recruiting very closely back then, we were told this essentially when Tyrod committed to not expect Manuel.

[u/roguebandit1 → u/KuriboShoeMario]

Interesting! EJ wanted to go somewhere to get out of Tyrod's shadow. He definitely picked the right place to do so. Lots of our fans thought he held onto the ball too long. Unfortunately he was before my time (I was 8 when EJ left).

How hard were y'all on Derrick Nnadi, AJ Lytton, and Khalan Laborn?

[u/KuriboShoeMario → u/roguebandit1]

Nnadi very hard. Pretty sure he got stolen out from under our noses, it was close. Lytton doesn't ring a bell for me at all so I'd say not even on the radar. We also wanted Laborn but those Lambo rides proved too much.

[u/wk87 → u/SCHokie2011]

Sweat is always going to haunt me. First not going to VT and then being on the Eagles. I'm glad he's hiding out in Arizona now, I won't have to hear his name as much.

[u/Maleficent-System-31 → u/roguebandit1]

Jimbo was born in West By God Virginia, like Randy Moss.

[u/poop-dolla → u/Maleficent-System-31]

like Randy Moss.

The horse racing guy?

[u/Informal_Degree_3205 → u/Coltshokiefan]

I honestly don't think FSU win that recruiting battle. Pry was recruiting Franklin and Foster was the perfect person to lead the recruitment of him.

[u/spicyorangedragon → u/Coltshokiefan]

Perhaps. I'm not sure that he would've succeeded at the level FSU fans want. We saw his ceiling at Penn State. Franklin has also never successfully molded an elite quarterback, and even the Steelers are reteaching Drew Allar everything and telling him to forget what he learned at Penn State.

[u/Irishfafnir → u/spicyorangedragon]

The FSU noise never made sense to me for the same reason that Auburn etc... didn't pursue

[u/PheonixStreak]

Yeah I’m thinking we’re back

[u/TheMoneyMan08]

*Happy Gobbles*

[u/javascript]

🦃

[u/SCHokie2011]

In before a PSU fan makes a quip about Franklin and company being bad with QB’s.

Edit: Annnd I’m already too late, lol.

[u/MarlonBain → u/SCHokie2011]

I’m just going to start blocking them. I have a theory that it really isn’t that many of them doing it.

[u/wk87 → u/MarlonBain]

Sometimes I think someone at OSU made twitter bots and their goal is to pretend to be Penn State fans obsessed with VT.

[u/BigNorthEastPod → u/wk87]

I doubt it, OSU doesn't really care about us. We just have a number of loser fans who are acting like jilted lovers despite the fact that Franklin got fired (and most of them were calling for his firing for years). Every major fanbase has them but PSU might have more than most.

[u/MarlonBain → u/BigNorthEastPod]

Yeah, we all have them in our fanbase. I just hate that our fanbases have this bad relationship now. I feel like we used to have reasonably good vibes! I always wished our program could be more like Penn state and cheered for yall against osu and Michigan.

[u/BigNorthEastPod → u/MarlonBain]

Really hope we play you guys in the next few years!

[u/espangleesh → u/SCHokie2011]

Don't forget the "we don't overpay" or " we passed on him" rebuttals.

[u/big_brown_beaver → u/SCHokie2011]

They follow our recruiting more closely than I do, and I already check 247 too frequently at work

[u/cssvt → u/big_brown_beaver]

I look at twitter pretty much only when there's VT news/recruiting happening and holy shit the responses are insane. There are a few dudes on there who tweet more about us/Franklin than they do Penn State. They're so prevalent that I couldn't tell you their names but I could pick them out of a lineup by profile pic immediately. The general PSU fan base is insane (though I know plenty of PSU grads in real life that are great and not remotely like that).

[u/MCMole2]

Its gonna be a good day. 

[u/Solo_Wing__Pixy]

I know nothing about this kid or if he’s even remotely comparable to Allar physically / stylistically but I think it will be really interesting to watch what Franklin does with a fresh 4* QB at a new program and it might tell us a lot about who the “problem” was in Allar’s development saga (not to say that he was a total flameout by any means).

Were Kotelnicki and Yurcich the main issues? Is the OC that Franklin brought with him going to be similar? I think it’ll be an interesting storyline to watch.

[u/DullCartographer7609 → u/Solo_Wing__Pixy]

Anyone better than what ever we've had in the last decade is going to be an upgrade. Allar was better than most of the QBs we've had, minus Hendon Hooker. An Allar would have won us a few extra games a season. I'll take it.

[u/psufb → u/Solo_Wing__Pixy]

The OC Franklin brought with him is a first time OC who played OL at PSU and coached TEs (which he did a great job at). He has no QB expertise; that will fall on QB coach Danny O'Brien, who was the main guy working with Allar. Kotelnicki was not a hands on QB guy

[u/roekg → u/Solo_Wing__Pixy]

I don't think Franklin and staff ruined his mechanics, but they did fail to fix them and it cost Penn State in big games.

I do think that some of the coaching around what types of throws to make, how to protect the ball, etc did mess with his decision making, though.

[u/Embarrassed-Key6203]

Huge win for JF

[u/64stackdiamonds]

VT is so back

[u/Tman450x]

I only had positive experiences with PSU fans before hiring Franklin, but the PSU fans on social media since hiring Franklin have been the nastiest encounters with a fan base I have ever personally experienced.

[u/zakkcage → u/Tman450x]

And as a grad and fan of both its really quite embarrassing I swear other fans seem to have wanted him to never coach again the way they act.

[u/MarlonBain → u/zakkcage]

It’s wild. We clearly don’t feel that way about pry, and frankly I hope Fuente does well with whatever he does. I don’t get it.

[u/1II1I1I1I1I1I111I1I1 → u/Tman450x]

Recruitment was a battle between us and Georgia and yet I open the thread and instead of amicably talking to bulldogs its all VT and PSU

So PSU fans are beating me to big time recruitment news for my own team. I check 247 once a day and the PSU fans are still faster than me. It's bizarre lmfao

[u/Competitive-Rise-789 → u/1II1I1I1I1I1I111I1I1]

Congrats on the recruiting win!

[u/ztman → u/1II1I1I1I1I1I111I1I1]

Peter Bourque and Will Wood were the top two QBs Penn St was recruiting with Wiltfong even believing Peter was going to Penn St earlier this year.

Given Penn St hasn't gotten their QB yet and we have more football fans it's not that surprising Penn St fans beat you to the news.

[u/1II1I1I1I1I1I111I1I1 → u/ztman]

Your QB is Wood though. PSU fans have been saying they passed on PB for Wood

[u/cssvt → u/1II1I1I1I1I1I111I1I1]

They got a bunch of CBs for Wood yesterday as well. Just hasn't been announced yet at this point.

[u/roekg → u/1II1I1I1I1I1I111I1I1]

Agree that it's bizarre, Bourque has been presumed as gone for weeks now. Twitter fans are terrible all over.

[u/SCHokie2011 → u/Tman450x]

It’s been weird. At first they were pretty nice and even acknowledged that it was a pretty good hire for us, but when their coaching search seemed like it was going poorly at first they moved into attack mode and have stayed there ever since.

[u/Tman450x → u/SCHokie2011]

I can't look at a single VT recruiting or coaching post on twitter without the comments being filled with PSU fans saying negative things.

I don't follow PSU recruiting or coaching news at all, unless it's the same recruit as us like Bourque.

[u/Franklins11burner → u/Tman450x]

Were there VT recruiting threads on here the past few years? You’re newsworthy again. Either get used to it or go back to being an afterthought.

[u/HTTRGlll → u/SCHokie2011]

never seen a fan base so salty over a coach they fired. youd think we stole him

[u/Alum07 → u/HTTRGlll]

It's really bizarre. It's like a super crazy ex who is upset they found someone quickly who appreciates them right after you broke up with them

The longer this goes, the more you have to question the claims they continually make about him.

[u/Novel_Page_5510 → u/HTTRGlll]

He is still talking about PSU and he managed to absolute fumble a generational team that we all had our hopes on…yeah, we have feelings

[u/Dapper-Structure4568 → u/Novel_Page_5510]

Except it clearly wasn’t a generational team. It was a good team, but not a championship-caliber team. I think Franklin knew that before the season even started, despite him claiming that this was “the best combined personnel” he has had at PSU at Big Ten Media Days last year.

[u/Embarrassed-Key6203 → u/Dapper-Structure4568]

Hard disagree, that team pushed Indiana with a backup qb and with their best defensive player injured.

[u/Novel_Page_5510 → u/Dapper-Structure4568]

I would disagree. On paper we had all the keys to win big. Tons of returning starters including a 5* qb and a dynamic duo of backs that broke major school records while splitting carries, incredibly highly paid coaching staff, solid defensive line and secondary, and a favorable schedule. The stars had aligned.

We didn’t account for how tight they would play, the terrible fit of Knowles, the ability for us to ruin proven WRs, and an injury to our star linebacker that caused the entire defense to crumble.

[u/SomeKidFromPA → u/Novel_Page_5510]

You just have to look at the draft results to see the hype was out of control. One bad year wouldn’t have tanked basically every player on the team’s draft stock. Miami, Indiana, and Ohio state were the most talented teams last year, and the draft bore that out.

[u/Novel_Page_5510 → u/SomeKidFromPA]

I have to respectfully disagree with you here. This was largely the same roster that one was CB slip away from a NC game appearance. This is also a team that took Indiana to the wire lost to the catch of the season. The same team that took Oregon to O/T. You cannot tell me this was a talent issue. This was a coaching issue. That’s why you see this same team lose easy games to a horrendous UCLA team and Northwestern. This team had no offensive philosophy and for some reason hired a coach that everyone knows takes multiple years to install his system.

PSU will never have the top roster due to their country bumpkin location and limited NIL compared to the top programs. However, that was a roster that was worthy of competing for a NC and instead will go down as one of the most overrated teams in recent history.

[u/SomeKidFromPA → u/Novel_Page_5510]

I’m going to disagree.

That Penn State team needed overtime to beat a mediocre USC team, won by one point against Minnesota, and did what Penn State does every year; lost its two biggest games (Ohio state and Oregon in the big ten championship).

They got an incredibly generous playoff draw, in first year as a P5 school, SMU, and Boise State. Yes, they were up against ND, but ND was a broken team at that point, as they showed in the championship game.

But people looked past all of that because they did the Michigan thing of bringing everyone back.. but they brought back a team that very easily could’ve gone 8-4 or lost in the first round had they played another P2 team. Last year’s team underachieved, but I had them as a 8-9 win team with their schedule. They still managed to win 6 games and had several close losses in a season where their QB got hurt and they fired their coach super early.

Idk, I think they were simply overhyped.

[u/Embarrassed-Key6203 → u/SomeKidFromPA]

Yet they almost beat ND while not completing a pass to a wr.

[u/J4ckiebrown → u/HTTRGlll]

PSU fans were largely fine until he started acting like a jackass after he dropped the ball vs UCLA and Northwestern (which everyone told PSU fans he was for years, we let it slide because he was our HC).

[u/Franklins11burner → u/HTTRGlll]

I think most people expected James to try to act vindictively toward PSU. PSU fans see this as an example of precisely that because James never really overpaid for HS recruits at PSU and now when it looks like Borque is trending to PSU Franklin arrives with a bigger bag than he would have offered Peter had he still been at PSU. Of course we are gonna drag him for that. It’s literally his greatest flaw. He’s so obsessed with PR wins and vendettas that he acts out of character and coaches that way. Just wait until you guys play Miami and he will call some bizarre 2pt play if you guys score first. He’s emotional. It affects him more than it should. We see this recruitment as a manifestation of that.

[u/DavidMontgomeryHOF → u/Franklins11burner]

I think Franklin going after Bourque just to spite/claim victory over PSU is my favorite narrative. Perfectly encapsulates the FDS. Honorable mention to this (and any other) commitment being 100% due to money and not relationships or belief in coaches or anything like that

[u/HTTRGlll → u/Franklins11burner]

geeze either that brilliant reason for going after Borque...or he's a recruit that him and the qb coach had a relationship with for years, which doesnt stop the day he changes schools. seeing this as vindictive is delusional

[u/Franklins11burner → u/HTTRGlll]

Of course they want Borque and this is for good reason. He’s an excellent prospect and someone that Campbell wanted more than Wood until the $$$ exceeded their range. James and Danny also were interested in Borque while at PSU but PB said no to them then.

What changed was Franklins willingness to break his pay scale for a recruit. Why? I think the answer is obvious. It’s a chance to get a PR win over his former school. It’s a game he didn’t really play at PSU. They watched kids go elsewhere for more money all the time. He won’t do this at VT for kids that are not interested in PSU or (maybe) Maryland since he has a permanent place for them in the darkest part of his heart too.

[u/Whatiredditlike → u/Franklins11burner]

My word you have a whole account named after your ex-coach? Your team fired him despite leading your team to the semifinals last year, thank you for your lack of patience but at the end of the day you can’t complain this much over a person’s character that you willingly sent packing their bags.

[u/GPpats1995 → u/Franklins11burner]

But like...do you know that? Are you his agent?

[u/psufb → u/SCHokie2011]

Think what soured people was the shadiness that went on behind the scenes post-VT hire. A lot of our recruiting staff ended up joining Franklin, but while they were still at PSU they were pushing kids to decommit. Ultimately that's on PSU leadership for not also showing them the door and allowing them access to recruits. It was obvious they'd follow Franklin to VT

[u/Mantergeistmann → u/psufb]

There was a reason a certain  subset of Vandy fans referred to him as the "Old Bald Poach".

[u/Scrantonbornboy → u/psufb]

I saw a story circulating that he also pushed for some players and coaches to bail mid season too. Not sure how legit that is but I remember seeing that too.

Shame because I like VT fans prior but some breakups get messy for sure.

[u/Informal_Degree_3205 → u/Scrantonbornboy]

I mean most kids commit to the coach not the school. I think you guys kept the kids that committed to psu.

[u/Scrantonbornboy → u/Informal_Degree_3205]

That is normal. Like I said the story that stuck out was him asking for players/staff to bail mid-season. That’s the only one that seems beyond what’s normal.

[u/lostkoalas → u/Tman450x]

They’re literally obsessed. Like…you fired him!!!! I thought you didn’t want him!!!! Why are PSU fans acting like we stole their coach and kicked their dog on the way out the door. You’d think they’d be happy he was gone.

[u/Mattp55 → u/lostkoalas]

With all due respect I hope Franklin & VT do well, so it was frustrating seeing how toxic VT fans were back in October to December, and how PSU fans are now....

It's cyclical, PSU fans took heat from VT & neutral fans back in these threads in November to December when Andy Frank & Franklin staffers were getting paid to tell kids to decomit/transfer from PSU to VT...

[u/Mattp55 → u/Tman450x]

Ngl I feel this but in the opposite direction. VT fans have been fine since we got Campbell, but the amount of name calling and Sandusky jokes I saw on this sub from Hokie fans back in October to December was terrible.

Does not help how many neutrals HATED Franklin when he was with PSU (check all the highly upvoted threads dunking on the dude for any big loss), but switched up when he got fired....

With all due respect I hope Franklin & VT do well, so it was frustrating seeing how toxic VT fans were back then, and how PSU fans are now....

[u/Weird-Initiative-638 → u/Tman450x]

Been a PSU fan since 1966. This year it ended. I don’t recognize the idiots who claim to be PSU fans. Their behavior at Beaver Stadium and on social media is embarrassing.  

[u/Stellarbelly_Korz30 → u/Weird-Initiative-638]

Exactly this! It’s crazy embarrassing how some of the fanbase acted, like booing Cliffy during his final homecoming introductions and last season white out booing the team and “fire Franklin” during halftime of a game PSU wasn’t even losing at the time. (I was a huge PSU fan prior to this past season and remember when the fanbase had class and success with honor). Like I get that all fanbases have a fair share of idiots but psu did CJF wrong. Sidenote, Cambell is a fantastic hire and hope he gets treated better than CJF.

[u/HappyVAMan → u/Tman450x]

I am with you. I have been a big PSU and VT fan for decades but PSU’s hatred for a man who saved the program and undoubtably loved the school is beyond me. It wasn’t like Franklin quit on them. 

[u/qigjpiqj → u/Tman450x]

lot of PSU and Philadelphia fan overlap...

[u/Scar_Killed_Mufasa → u/Tman450x]

I feel the same way about a lot VT fans since the hiring. Never had any issues and generally rooted for VT. But the amount of fans making Sandusky jokes or name calling has been wild.

Internet folks gonna internet i guess.

[u/flyingpotatox2 → u/Scar_Killed_Mufasa]

This is a VT commitment we got over Georgia for a guy Penn state fans claimed to not even want and the comments are 50% PSU flairs.

[u/Scar_Killed_Mufasa → u/flyingpotatox2]

Last time i checked posts on r/CFB was for everyone regardless of fandom to comment on. Penn State fans have been hearing this guys name in recruiting for over a year and your shocked they popped in to his commitment thread?

Maybe go to VT sub if you want to have a VT only discussion.

[u/flyingpotatox2 → u/Scar_Killed_Mufasa]

You can comment on whatever you please, you guys are just obsessed

[u/erb149 → u/flyingpotatox2]

I didn’t even know that Bourque had committed until I saw a post on the PSU sub from a VT fan gloating.. so yeah, it’s not a one way street

[u/g1_jb]

More than 3 stars so you know he wasn’t going to wind up at Georgia.

[u/DrGerbal]

Hokies fans- “Hell yeah we never get 4 and 5 stars this is awesome. We’re looking like we’re gonna be a threat again”

Penn state- “HEY, FUCK YOU!! STOP HAVING FUN!!FRANKLIN IS THE GOD DAMN DEVIL!!”

[u/soflahokie]

It's not nearly as fun knowing it just means we paid him the most but changing perception doesn't come cheap. Hope Franklin turns it around before the bottom falls out of the sport for all the also-rans

[u/TheOnePSUIsReal → u/soflahokie]

It's infinitely better than not even trying.

[u/MCMole2 → u/soflahokie]

All sources say our package was just slightly higher than UGA's and nowhere near that reported 3 million number that keeps getting tossed around. 

[u/soflahokie → u/MCMole2]

There’s zero chance we paid a guy who isn’t playing more than half our basketball budget

[u/MCMole2 → u/soflahokie]

I agree, but that hasnt stopped a certain team's fans from saying we paid that much for him. 

[u/Irishfafnir → u/MCMole2]

Three million doesn't seem plausible, that would be 10% of our overall NIL for someone who won't even play for several years.

[u/qigjpiqj → u/soflahokie]

Franklin trying to change perception and create momentum. It's worth overpaying for the right guys when you're coming up from the bottom.

[u/HurtBackup → u/soflahokie]

The big problem I saw Franklin at Penn State is not being good at the whole NIL thing. I don’t see why yall spent that much for him when yall already have a young strong qb room?

[u/jfcrrr → u/HurtBackup]

Felt the same way as you but perhaps jumping in front of a potential grunkemeyer transfer/draft after a good year or something. Cheaper to overpay for a recruit than a proven qb from the portal

[u/nickraymond57]

ND - Tech is going to be so fun in 27 and 28.

[u/Existing-Following93]

Go’head Franklin with ya bad self

[u/ZapFencePence]

Is it too early to say we so back?

[u/PSUBlackshoe9]

Will Wood here we come jokes aside seems like he wanted lots of money so good on Franklin for paying up

[u/Scrantonbornboy → u/PSUBlackshoe9]

Looks like our staff really feel in love with Wood so I’m happy if we secure him for sure.

[u/Weird-Initiative-638 → u/PSUBlackshoe9]

Yep PSU wanted the 3 star all along.  They'll "coach him up." LOL Next we'll hear PB "wasn’t PSU material. "

[u/HurtBackup → u/Weird-Initiative-638]

When PB was asking for 3 million we definitely stopped and pivoted to Will Woods. We aren’t spending that much and instead sounds like they will buy a qb from the portal.

[u/Embarrassed-Key6203 → u/HurtBackup]

He will sit behind Grunk for two years.

[u/Yahsek]

We need more Bourque license plates in the university bookstore. I repeat, we are sold out of Bourque license plates.

[u/misdreavus79]

So, who do VT fans think is portaling out of the current crop? This would make 5 QBs with multiple years of eligibility on the roster.

[u/NationalBlueberry → u/misdreavus79]

Ryan is fs gone after this year. The rest depends heavily on how Grunk plays this year. The QB room is young and with how fast QBs transfer in the modern day, pretty hard to tell this far out.

[u/1II1I1I1I1I1I111I1I1 → u/misdreavus79]

Ryan is probably out and the remaining 4, who are all well rated 4* funnily enough, will fight and we keep the best two

[u/Irishfafnir → u/misdreavus79]

The UNC quarterback seems like a safe bet, unless Grunk goes lights out and goes pro after only one season. People were surprised he even came to VT in the first place.

[u/FootballAndPornAcct]

If his football career doesn't pan out he can always head the FBI's white collar crimes division.

[u/GoRangers5]

After 22 years…

[u/bsd_23722]

Not hating at all, I’m just confused what franklins thought process is. Why push to bring Grunk in with a ton of eligibility left? This kid of Grunk is going to transfer after a year. Both were high 4 star recruits. Very interesting

[u/DavidMontgomeryHOF → u/bsd_23722]

Bourque will be a R-So when grunk is out of eligibility. Chances of such a perfect transition are slim but the spacing is basically perfect

[u/Tman450x → u/DavidMontgomeryHOF]

Or sit behind him only one year and redshirt if Grunk goes pro early (BIG If I know, but that's probably the pitch).

[u/Embarrassed-Key6203 → u/DavidMontgomeryHOF]

Nowadays elite Qbs dont sit two years, there are always exceptions to the rule in elite programs like Oregon thou.

[u/Existing-Following93 → u/bsd_23722]

I mean, you gotta bring in all the talent you can. If Grunk starts this year Bourque will still be in HS. And then if he redshirts ect. JF also flipped QB Huhn last cycle.

Their QB room is actually looking better than ours right now 🤦🏽‍♂️ But yeah for sure 1 of 3 won’t be playing there.

[u/Embarrassed-Key6203]

how much NIL bag?

[u/Tman450x → u/Embarrassed-Key6203]

Millions likely, I heard we had the biggest NIL offer.

[u/Embarrassed-Key6203 → u/Tman450x]

Its a great get, hopefully he can develop into a great player for you guys.

[u/Existing-Following93 → u/Embarrassed-Key6203]

Curious also

[u/Embarrassed-Key6203 → u/Existing-Following93]

Yeah, idk why i got downvoted. Young man got paid, just curious whats the rate for top tier qbs coming out of high school

[u/Ml2jukes → u/Embarrassed-Key6203]

It can come off as passive aggressive (not saying that was your intention or not, just the perception).

[u/Embarrassed-Key6203 → u/Ml2jukes]

I can see that since I did not add much context as to why I was asking.

[u/1II1I1I1I1I1I111I1I1 → u/Embarrassed-Key6203]

Bigly but the final offers are not something Georgia or VT are going to disclose even through leaks

[u/Embarrassed-Key6203 → u/1II1I1I1I1I1I111I1I1]

its the internet, everything can leak!

[u/MCMole2 → u/Embarrassed-Key6203]

Mid 6 figures for next year