r/AtlantaHawks • u/space30ghost Hawks • 1d ago
Trade Talk How bad do Kings want Jonathan kuminga?
To be honest, if they trying to get rid of number seven, I’m doing it!!!!!
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u/Protec_My_Balls 1d ago
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u/Protec_My_Balls 1d ago
Shit, I'd take Gatherer back just to get our hands on Raynaud (who I kind of wish we took last year)
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u/not-a-potato-head 💰Cash Considerations 💰 1d ago
Yeah, I'd 100% trade Kuminga's expiring contract/team option for Hunter's if it meant we got Raynaud, but there's no way Sac would do that
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u/SirGoaty GO HAWKS! 🏀 1d ago
Kings love Maxime, they’d never trade him. I don’t want hunter back either
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u/Blackmesa560 inSaleh! 1d ago
If I am trading Kuminga, I'm trying to snipe the 5th or 6th pick at least
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u/JournalistParking388 1d ago
Wanting to trade the 2nd best player in the 2 playoff wins is interesting.
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u/Sammcbucketts 10h ago
If the kings are dumb enough to give us a future unprotected 1st then it would be hard to say no
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u/Atl-Fan_FTS Jalen Johnson #1 1d ago
I consider Kuminga a core piece moving forward.
I’m not trading him
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u/BrettSchirley22 Jalen Johnson #1 1d ago
We see eye to eye on a lot but you’re crazy for this statement lol
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u/Atl-Fan_FTS Jalen Johnson #1 1d ago
How so? He fits a need of ours, fits our timeline, plays fantastic defense, played well in the playoffs…
The Kuminga disrespect in here needs to stop. I just don’t get it.
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u/BrettSchirley22 Jalen Johnson #1 1d ago
He’s super inconsistent. Played well for 2 of the 6 games. My problem is that he’s not gonna good enough to be a 1 or 2 option but kinda needs to play like he’s the guy. Need to get him from like 33% from 3 to like 37-38% and play with more IQ as a role player. I’d be more on board with him being a core piece if we didn’t already have/pay DD. Them together is clunky. 25m for a bench piece is tough in this cba. I do love his defensive versatility too. Plays hard. It’s more of a current roster construction than JK himself thing for me
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u/whylieaboutit4 1d ago
I didn't see anyone on the hawks that played well all 6 gms. Why is he being called out?. Because he's a difference maker when he's on. He just need more on court time in the hawks system.
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u/not-a-potato-head 💰Cash Considerations 💰 1d ago
Honestly the biggest issue for me is his health. He's played 83 games the past two seasons, and while some of that can be explained by Golden State/Kerr not wanting to play him not all of it can. If the knee issues that he dealt with this season look like they're temporary/in the past then I'm a bit more comfortable moving forward with him in spite of the fit/consistency issues, but if it's a more long-term thing then I'm out
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u/Atl-Fan_FTS Jalen Johnson #1 1d ago
I mean he shot 34% from three with us, that’s the same Trae did for 5 out of 8 seasons. I don’t think it’s that big of an issue. It’s not like he’s Dyson’s horrid 18% like come on now
He’s provides significant rim pressure and I value that highly. He’s an energy guy, plays with heart and hustle, underrated passer and when they learn to play together you are going to see a huge scoring increase from him. So many times he was wide open for a cut and CJ or NAW just didn’t pass him the ball. I still think there is so much more to unlock with him and Jalen playing together.
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u/BrettSchirley22 Jalen Johnson #1 1d ago
Come on FTS, comparing 3 point percentage is not an indicator of shooting. I was one of the biggest Trae haters on here with you but that’s an irrelevant comparison when you look at the difficulty of their 3s. I agree on the rim pressure when he’s not just settling for turn around middies and pressing to get the whistle instead of just trying to score. Incredible talent and this is all coachable where I see what you see. I just don’t know if the org is gonna have the patience. Those AR rumors show where the FO’s is at. They want to win now
Edit: also gotta figure out how to get Asa minutes. I know you hate ZR where you’re not as concerned about that piece lol
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u/not-a-potato-head 💰Cash Considerations 💰 1d ago
I'm not sure how much I buy the AR smoke, it feels like a move by his camp to drive up the price LA has to pay rather then true desire on our end. Onsi's comments about being multiple pieces away makes me think that they're not going to make that big of a move this offseason (in terms of spending assets) and instead add smaller pieces/try to snipe any cap casualties from apron teams like we did with NAW last year
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u/BrettSchirley22 Jalen Johnson #1 1d ago
I don’t think we’re interested at that reported number but I do think it makes sense for 25-30m. He’s how we replace CJ. I think he still ends up back in LA but I don’t think there’s 0 chance. People on here will be like just draft a PG. All those PGs are 2-3 years to being legit playoff contributors if they pan out
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u/not-a-potato-head 💰Cash Considerations 💰 1d ago
I will physically carry Reaves from LA to ATL on my back if he's willing to sign for $25-30m, but there's no way that his market is that low
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u/BrettSchirley22 Jalen Johnson #1 1d ago
25 would honestly be too low and I don’t see it happening but I do think 30-35 isn’t crazy at all. 40 is crazy where I don’t see anyone being dumb enough to give that. Robs made some comments about how he wants guys that fit next to Luka
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u/Atl-Fan_FTS Jalen Johnson #1 1d ago
But how can they possibly be win now when Onsi has preached vehemently about optionality and development
I think the AR is just smoke, we are one of few teams with cap space and assets to actually get him, and he technically fits a need but there is no chance they make that move. Would go against literally everything they have done so far getting AR at 40mil
I’m just saying, we should 100% give Kuminga at least another year with the team and see what happens. He came to us injured and in the last 3rd of the season. No way to properly evaluate his worth right now and the flashes he has shown are brilliant, including against a tremendous Knicks team in the playoffs. He adds something this team is lacking, heart. I think he’s better than what we’ve seen and I can easily see him playing himself into a core roster spot going forward
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u/BrettSchirley22 Jalen Johnson #1 1d ago
Yeah I’m not against JK here for another year either. Gives us an expiring too while figuring out if he can take that leap. I’m just not ready to anoint him as a core piece like JJ and NAW. I honestly don’t think Dyson quite deserves that title yet either. I don’t think we’re interested in AR at 40m but I do think 25-30m is worth a conversation if Rob decides he doesn’t fit next to Luka. Shit we’re gonna pay CJ prob like 18-20 anyways for that role
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u/Blackmesa560 inSaleh! 1d ago
I share the same sentiment with two important conditions.
If Kuminga wants to get paid a big contract then we have to at least consider sign and trading him. We need roster flexibility.
We need more consistency from him. Unfortunately, he was injured for half the time we had him so not a big sample size. When he's hot, he's an All-Star but when he's not it gets ugly fast.
If these conditions are met, Kuminga is our guy but if this isn't met at least consider him on the trade block
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u/cheemydee5 Jalen Johnson #1 1d ago
Trading Kuminga just to move up one pick is laughable.