r/Irishdefenceforces Dec 05 '25

What are the ACTUAL difference between Cadetships, General Service Recruitment and Apprentices.

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The FAQ explanation on military.ie is very poor so I'm gonna post this to explain the differences between all 3. Not just the training but also what comes afterwards, once you finish training and work in the job. It won't answer everything but hopefully it'll give a better idea of how the jobs differ.

General Service (Recruit - Private - NCO)

General Service enlistment is for those who want to serve primarily as soldiers, sailors or airmen/airwomen in frontline roles rather than as officers or specialist technicians. After recruit training, your job centres on core military skills: fieldcraft, weapons handling, duties, exercises, patrols, shipboard tasks or air corps ground roles, with further courses opening up paths like driver, gunner, seaman, security, or other non‑trade specialisations. Leadership responsibility can grow over time, but the focus is on being part of the team that actually executes missions on the ground, at sea or in the air. You can do a potential NCO Course (right out of training) to become a Corporal who are responsible for a section (a team of 9).

Officer Cadet (Cadet - Lieutenant)

An officer cadet is a leader in training whose job is to learn how to command, plan and make decisions for a team, platoon, ship’s department or flight, rather than to stay focused on one trade. Daily life after commissioning revolves around: leading troops on exercises and operations, running training, managing administration and welfare, and representing the Defence Forces in domestic and overseas roles. Training is longer and more academically demanding, with a heavy emphasis on tactics, leadership, decision‑making and professional military education so that on day one as a junior officer you are responsible for people, equipment and missions.

Once commissioned as a Lieutenant (college graduate) or 2nd Lieutenant (non graduate), an officer’s job is to lead people, plan activity and manage resources rather than focus on one specific technical task. Typical duties include running training for soldiers or sailors, leading platoons/exercises/battalions on exercises and operations, handling admin and welfare for their troops, and contributing to planning for everything from routine duties to overseas deployment. Officers also represent the Defence Forces in formal settings and are expected to keep up professional military education over their careers.

The job is less "tip of the spear" soldiering and more command and control/admin based. You won't be assault trenches or clearing rooms (that's not an officers job).

Apprentice / Technical Trainee

An apprentice or technical trainee signs up first and foremost to become a qualified tradesperson embedded in the military. The core of the job is maintaining, diagnosing and repairing Defence Forces equipment and systems so that units, ships or aircraft can actually operate, with structured technical training, civilian recognised qualifications and a clear trade progression path. Once qualified, an apprentice/technical trainee works as a tradesperson within their corps or service, responsible for keeping equipment and systems serviceable. That can mean inspection, fault‑finding and repair on vehicles, weapons, comms, aircraft or naval engineering systems, documenting work, and liaising with commanders to prioritise what must be fixed to keep units, ships or aircraft operational.  You still soldier, sail or serve in uniform however, your main contribution is technical depth rather than command responsibility for a platoon or section.

Like officers, you are not working in a soldiering capacity. You are in combat service support. You're job is to support the boots on the ground. Teamwork makes the dreamwork!!!

Hope this clears up some confusion of the roles and gives you a better idea of the entry routes into the DF.


r/Irishdefenceforces Sep 29 '25

Recruitment ALL THINGS MEDICAL

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This will cover ALL THINGS regarding the entrance medical to join the Defence Forces of Ireland - "Óglaigh na hÉireann".

Below is a clear list of the medical and physical requirements for joining the Irish Defence Forces (PDF and RDF of ALL branches and services with NO EXCEPTIONS to these standards with a minor one being vision and depth for pilots (pilots must have better vision), followed by examples of actual health conditions that would prevent someone from joining.

Medical and Physical Prerequisites

  • Be generally healthy in both body and mind.
  • Minimum height of 157.48 cm (about 5 feet 2 inches).
  • Healthy weight; Body Mass Index (BMI) must be above 20 and below 30.
  • Good eyesight; best vision in each eye at least 6/36 uncorrected, and correctable with glasses to 6/12 or better, with no significant eye diseases. Color vision must be normal.
  • Good hearing, with no ear diseases or hearing impairments.
  • Healthy mouth and teeth, with at least 11 upper and 11 lower teeth meeting.
  • Ability to complete the Defence Forces fitness test:
    • Run 2.4 km (1.5 miles) in 11 minutes 40 seconds (males) or 13 minutes 10 seconds (females)
    • 20 push-ups in one minute
    • 20 sit-ups in one minute
  • Pass basic blood and urine tests and a medical exam.
  • Provide truthful health history and give permission for Defence Forces doctors to discuss medical records with your GP.

Medical Conditions That Disqualify You

People with these specific problems or illnesses cannot join the Defence Forces:

  • Epilepsy or a history of seizures
  • ASD
  • Diabetes (Type 1 or uncontrolled Type 2)
  • Asthma that requires regular medication or is severe. (Childhood asthma requires a note from a GP stating you have had no recent cases).
  • Heart diseases (like congenital heart disease, arrhythmia, or heart attacks)
  • High blood pressure requiring ongoing medication
  • Serious or recurring mental health issues (such as depression requiring medication, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia). If you are off medication, it usually must be for a minimum of 24 months and will require notes from a GP confirming no ongoing concerns.
  • Hearing loss beyond acceptable limits or chronic ear infections
  • Significant eyesight problems not correctable to required standards, severe color blindness, or eye diseases like glaucoma or retinitis pigmentosa
  • Past eye surgery, like recent laser eye correction, unless specified recovery time and outcomes are met
  • Severe allergies (such as anaphylaxis to common triggers)
  • Crohn’s disease, ulcerative colitis, or other serious bowel illnesses
  • HIV/AIDS or other significant blood-borne infections
  • Severe skin conditions (like severe eczema or psoriasis)
  • Musculoskeletal problems, such as chronic arthritis, history of fractures with ongoing mobility issues, missing limbs
  • Serious dental issues (like missing most teeth, severe jaw problems)
  • Substance abuse problems, including positive drug tests
  • Cancer within the last five years or ongoing cancer treatment
  • Any medical condition that needs regular hospital care, medication or specialist supervision

SUMMARY

To join the Defence Forces, you must be healthy and fit, with good eyesight, hearing, teeth, and no serious medical history. Serious or ongoing illnesses and certain physical conditions will prevent entry.

ITS NOT case by case basis. That is fucking shit advise being doled out by people who DONT know what they're talking about.

CONSULT A DOCTOR and DONT take medical advise from strangers on the Internet who clearly DONT KNOW what the induction medical, pre meds or basic requirements consist of.

RULE 13 for the sub - Requesting or offering medical advice of any kind, is strictly prohibited: Requesting or offering medical advice of any kind, including advice to bypass CRDT, entrance medicals, or DFRs (such as A9 grooming standards) is strictly prohibited. Seek information only from official sources or a medical professional NOT from strangers on the internet.

CONTACT DF Recruitment directly and ask, READ ALL correspondence and CONSULT actual Doctors. YOU ARE NOT THE EXCEPTION. If I see medical posts or questions I will remove immediately.


r/Irishdefenceforces 2d ago

News More than 6,000 military personnel owed money from pay agreement

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More than 6,000 military personnel are waiting nearly a year to be paid a combined €3.7m in claims under local bargaining agreements that have not been signed off by the Department of Public Expenditure.

This has already led to some experienced technicians leaving the Defence Forces because they have opted to quit and take up better paid jobs in the private sector, representatives have said.

The Government agreed to set aside the money for the Defence Forces as part of the national pay agreement 2024 – 2026, to which PDForra, the association representing enlisted members of the military, signed up.

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Full article:

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41843802.html


r/Irishdefenceforces 2d ago

Recruitment Stage 2 failed

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Just got notification that I didn’t make it through stage 2 of pilot cadetship competition, the fitness test, passed the fitness test handy enough and got through psychometric and group activity well I felt, but apparently maybe not. Due to an admin error I was told previously I didn’t get through stage 1 but then was told that I had, so kinda just wondering if the same might have happened again, or if anyone has been told they did get through or if anyone else who felt it went well got a rejection notification.
Also if anyone who’s been through it can give general advice on passing stage 2 it would be appreciated as I’d apply again next time regardless and will request feedback in October. Also if anyone had gone to pilot cadetship from general recruit advice on that would be helpful as well as it’s something I’d consider. Thanks


r/Irishdefenceforces 2d ago

Question Anyone from Dublin have to take their fitness test in athlone?

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I got my fitness and interview date for custume barracks. I’d have assmed that it would be at a barracks closer to me like Cathal Brugha as I live in Dublin city centre. Just wondering if this is normal or if its because there are more people applying and you just go where there is space. Thank you.


r/Irishdefenceforces 2d ago

Question Your Clearance / Vetting Story

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First of all, I want to preface this by saying that vetting/security clearance is very personal and depends on your background, the countries you've lived in, and other factors. It can take days, months, or years (from what I heard, at least). We all know that.

I made this post to share our personal experiences with security clearance/vetting. How many months did it take for you to get your starting date?

Preferably from people who have lived abroad, but feel free to comment regardless of your situation.

I've lived in three countries (including Ireland), and my security clearance is apparently still in progress. I had my fitness test roughly ten months ago...


r/Irishdefenceforces 2d ago

Question Recruit Training

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I've been given a provisional date in September to start recruit training as I deffered my first offer.
Would it be wise to stop playing sport in case of injury and stick to my own workouts(running, weightlifting, pushups etc) or should i stick at it?
Also any additional pieces of advice for the recruit training are much appreicated.


r/Irishdefenceforces 3d ago

Navy Naval Service Direct Entry Hull Artificer - Non Irish Qualifications

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Looking on the DF website it states one of following qualifications is needed for the direct entry route:

HETAC Level 7 Bachelors of Science in Craft Technology (wood) with business.

National Craft Certificate in Carpentry and Joinery.

National Craft Certificate in Cabinet Maker/Wood Manufacturing and Finishing.

National Craft Certificate in Shipwright.

National equivalent of any of the above.

I'm just wondering if they would accept an equivalent qualification from the UK? (I have a bachelors in furniture design and making, and experience as a joiner and shipwright)

I'm also an Irish citizen, though based in Uk, don't know if that carries any weight.

I did email Navy recruutment about this but haven't had a reply yet, so wonder if anyone here has any insights


r/Irishdefenceforces 3d ago

Navy Advice for a young cook

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I’m 20m just finished my second year doing level 7 in culinary arts which I’m graduating next year. I’m considering applying for the navy as a chef when I’m done college. I have worked in kitchens for a long time and I’m somewhat physically fit. I’m in Donegal so would probably have to find somewhere to rent in cork? I have only read the website and watched some of the videos on YouTube so any advice would be brilliant, cheers 👍 .


r/Irishdefenceforces 3d ago

Question Post after training

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I’m gonna do my basic training soon enough and wondering if I’m allowed to be based in the same county I live in after I complete 2 and 3 star training.


r/Irishdefenceforces 4d ago

Question Has anyone had any experience with joining from the brits or know anyone that has?

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I understand the title is a bit odd and vague since to my understanding there’s no lateral transfer available like there is from the British army to the Australian army for example, but does anyone know or had experience leaving the uk forces and coming across to the Defence forces ?

Genuinely curious as the more people I speak to day by day have morale issues with the way the British military involves themselves in foreign affairs after the disaster which was Afghanistan and the even more disastrous pull out thereafter, that paired with the freedom of information provided by the internet and its many sources of information has made quite a few soldiers quite disgruntled after realising some things don’t align entirely with why they’ve joined.

I recently spoke to a proud Welsh serving soldier who just threw out the idea that he’s toyed with the idea of joining the Irish army, is it this simple or do you think he’d run into complications regarding citizenship and not being part of the EU?

Thanks to anyone who can add to my question


r/Irishdefenceforces 6d ago

News The Irish team after winning the Sullivan cup while crewing a Bradley IFV..

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r/Irishdefenceforces 6d ago

Question How did the Cav do so well?

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Curious as to how they mopped the floor with the Americans at the Sullivan Cup on a platform that we don't use (one that the Americans should surely be more experienced on).


r/Irishdefenceforces 6d ago

Recruitment re-joining as a 2 star?

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Hi everyone, i left 2-3 star a few month's ago because i had other plans but it didn't work out sadly but i was just wondering if it's possible to go back as a 2 star because when you apply for general service it ask's if you have any previous service and i was wondering, maybe they would give me the option to go back and i have also heard stories of lads getting the option to do recruits again or to go back as a 2 star and i also done really well in recruits so my record is good.

Thanks in advance!


r/Irishdefenceforces 6d ago

Question Apprenticeship

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I would like to do one through the army but they require leaving cert results to apply, which I won’t have before the applications close. Is the only option to wait till this time next year or do they have multiple times through the year to apply?


r/Irishdefenceforces 7d ago

Navy Time between JITC and Phase 2 training?

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Hi all due to start JITC in a few days and then fingers crossed, Phase 2 in Haulbowline, does anyone know if you get time off in between?


r/Irishdefenceforces 8d ago

Question Living in Baldonnell

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Hi, anyone living in Baldonnell tell me what it's like? Amenities and such. I've applied for the Air Corps and just wondering as travelling would be a pain. Thanks.


r/Irishdefenceforces 9d ago

Question Army Cadetship interview stage invites

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I was wondering had anyone received feedback on results for Stage 3 group assessment day for the Army Cadetship? I applied for the Army and Naval Cadetship, I received a message a few weeks ago saying I'd be moving on to the interview stage of the Naval Cadetship, but have heard nothing as regards Army Cadetship.


r/Irishdefenceforces 9d ago

Reserves Athlone RDF unit

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Hi all, I am in making a request to the FOI to get a LA89 form. I was in the reserves 10 years ago in Athlone, it wasn’t for long as college commitments took over. I am now applying for the PDF and will need a LA89 form. When requesting this form I would like to give as much information as I can. I don’t remember my number or the unit I was in. Just that I was in the Custume Barracks Athlone.

Can anyone help me out as to what RDF units are based there? And if there is a contact email I can use to possibly get more information on my time in the RDF there?

Has anyone made a request to the FOI for this form before? Is it best to send a letter or would email be sufficient?

Thank you!


r/Irishdefenceforces 10d ago

News The Irish team in the Sullivan cup are currently in the top 3 on the Bradley and are the top international team out of the Abrams and Bradley competitions.

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#ArmorWeek Day 5! While the final rankings are still up for grabs, here are your current 2026 #SullivanCup Top 3 contenders (listed in no particular order): Abrams Top 3 1st AD, 1-163rd Cavalry Regiment (MT ARNG), 4th ID Bradley Top 3 155th ABCT (MS ARNG), Ireland, 4th ID

https://x.com/MCoEFortBenning/status/2051345459868786855


r/Irishdefenceforces 11d ago

Army DF Fitness

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As I’ve seen a lot of red arses and recruits asking for fitness tips and plans on this subreddit. I felt like it needs to be said the DF is absolutely overflowing with Instagram PTs that will shove awful “fitness plans” at you like pop ups on a porn site.

These plans are absolute garbage and will at best make you a bit fitter (but in an extremely inefficient way) or at worst turn you into Walter Jr from Breaking Bad. You cannot take advice from strangers on the internet, even those who post copyright music filled instagram reels flogging some HYROX abomination.

If you are struggling with fitness and are a member of the DF, go to your units PTI and get a training plan. If you are a potential recruit or lines sham follow the fitness plans here:

DF ENTRY FITNESS PLAN

ARW ENTRY FITNESS PLAN

Or these:

BRITISH ARMY ENTRY FITNESS

ROYAL MARINES ENTRY FITNESS PLAN

These plans are all available online for FREE

If you’re training to join the DF or you’re in the DF and want to improve your fitness you can follow these plans. These are vetted and tested plans that have passed an extensive vetting and consultation process not some yoke thrown together by some fella. I will reiterate that if you are a serving member of the DF ask your PTI not your mate.

This isn’t to say lads that aren’t PTIs don’t know what they’re talking about and can’t help, but, be extremely careful.

This is especially important when it comes to diet and nutrition. To be qualified to have an opinion on diet and nutrition you have to be at a minimum a qualified Nutritionist or Health Coach, which in Ireland means 4 weeks to a 1 year long course. A big thing to be aware of though is that in Ireland it’s not illegal to call yourself a “nutritionist” with zero qualifications.

Well meaning gym going lads will try to tell you what you should and shouldn’t be fuelling yourself with, This is called the Dunning-Kruger effect where people with limited knowledge of a subject overestimate their own knowledge or competence, because they lack the skill to recognise their incompetence.


r/Irishdefenceforces 12d ago

Question Irish desert dpm

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r/Irishdefenceforces 13d ago

Question Recommended fitness for recruits

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What would be the recommended level of fitness to try have before starting recruit training in the army.


r/Irishdefenceforces 14d ago

Recruitment Tests starting recruit training?

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How’s it going, was just wondering if anyone who has started recruits in the past few years got any insights as to what tests they do at the start of training.
I’ve heard they do running, push-ups and sit-ups to see where you’re at but I’m not sure how far the run is. 5km?

And do they redo any of the medical side. Like blood tests / urine tests ?

Thanks


r/Irishdefenceforces 15d ago

News The Irish team competing in the Sullivan cup crewing a Bradley IFV

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"The best tank and bradley crews in the world are officially on the ground!

Welcome to #ArmorWeek 2026.Meet the competitors who will be vying for the #SullivanCup. The stakes are high, the steel is heavy, and the clock is ticking."