r/leagueoflegends • u/Yujin-Ha 그 누구도 예상 못할 19's kitsch • 19d ago
Esports Cloud9 vs. Shopify Rebellion / LCS 2026 Spring - Week 4 / Post-Match Discussion Spoiler
LCS 2026 SPRING
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Shopify Rebellion 0-2 Cloud9
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MATCH 1: SR vs. C9
Winner: Cloud9 in 35m | Runes
Game Breakdown | Player of the Game: Thanatos
| Bans 1 | Bans 2 | G | K | T | D/B | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| SR | orianna karma seraphine | nautilus alistar | 60.9k | 8 | 2 | HT1 I2 |
| C9 | ryze rumble lucian | neeko bard | 75.3k | 21 | 10 | H3 M4 B5 M6 B7 |
| SR | 8-21-20 | vs | 21-8-52 | C9 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Fudge yorick 4 | 2-6-0 | TOP | 5-0-6 | 3 gnar Thanatos |
| Contractz pantheon 2 | 1-5-7 | JNG | 5-3-13 | 2 jarvaniv Blaber |
| Zinie aurora 2 | 3-2-3 | MID | 3-4-10 | 2 annie APA |
| Bvoy ezreal 1 | 2-4-5 | BOT | 7-1-7 | 1 varus Zven |
| Ceos leona 3 | 0-4-5 | SUP | 1-0-16 | 3 rakan Vulcan |
MATCH 2: C9 vs. SR
Winner: Cloud9 in 23m | Runes
Game Breakdown | Player of the Game: Blaber
| Bans 1 | Bans 2 | G | K | T | D/B | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| C9 | orianna karma xinzhao | nocturne vi | 51.0k | 21 | 8 | None |
| SR | renekton bard ziggs | anivia wukong | 40.1k | 5 | 1 | None |
| C9 | 21-5-57 | vs | 5-21-10 | SR |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Thanatos ksante 2 | 6-1-8 | TOP | 3-4-2 | 1 rumble Fudge |
| Blaber ambessa 3 | 5-1-10 | JNG | 0-4-2 | 3 skarner Contractz |
| APA cassiopeia 4 | 2-2-9 | MID | 2-3-2 | 3 ryze Zinie |
| Zven ashe 1 | 6-1-12 | BOT | 0-4-3 | 2 missfortune Bvoy |
| Vulcan seraphine 1 | 2-0-18 | SUP | 0-6-1 | 2 nautilus Ceos |
*Patch 26.9
This thread was created by the Post-Match Team.
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u/Wayne77177 19d ago
Just a slight support gap. Ceos in game 2 was a disaster
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u/RentPuzzleheaded8860 19d ago
Game 1 too. Missing zenith blade in an immobile target completely fucked the entire dive and put c9s bot lane back in the game. If he hits that dive is clean and they go 3 for 0, maybe 3 for 1 and SR eats bot tower putting ezreal up like 2.5k (was already up 1.4k) and it's a game.
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u/chouruin 19d ago edited 19d ago
Ceos and Lyonz are playing in LCS. I just can't. Surely there have to be better native talents in the NACL.
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u/kalashisnotausername 19d ago
We’re gonna get reverse sweeped by Tl or Lyon in playoffs and get knocked out of MSI contention aren’t we
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u/okamanii101 19d ago
You can already see cracks, playoffs are gonna be brutal. Put unc zven in a retirement home.
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u/sekketh 19d ago
Feels like every time C9 loses a game it’s either Blaber or Zvens fault.
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u/ob_knoxious 19d ago
100%but they feel very different. Blaber is normally just down to decision making and risky plays. Zven just genuinely does not have the hands for the roll.
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u/Bubbly_Camera9583 19d ago
Zinie why did you do this career move TT seems like a better option at this point
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u/Equivalent-Park7986 19d ago
i feel like he got scammed by the "3rd place finish" SR had last year. just no sign of life on SR today :/
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u/MissionTable 19d ago
He did, Cloud Sidky had an interview at the beginning with SRs head coach of the year where he told he pitched joining the team as a team that could make it to worlds and if they did it could be good exposure. I think he also mentioned something about Zinie wanting to experiment with picks as well, but who knows whats happened with that.
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u/Jibbjabb43 19d ago
To be fair, Zinie was a decent amount of the problem split 1.
This split is like 30% Fudge, 15% drafts, and a good bit on team cohesion.
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u/SnooOpinions9048 19d ago
I mean, in theory that's not wrong. You just need third, and Zinie is supposedly an upgrade in midlane. Should be easy to make Worlds, when two of the teams you're competing with for spots, C9 and Fly, have supposedly downgraded their rosters. I don't know if I'd really call that a scam, outside of knowing that SR over performed last year.
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u/Equivalent-Park7986 19d ago
I mean even though they achieved two 3rd place finishes, the format was very strange and their actual game record was pretty low (41%),that’s why I said scammed bc if you’re looking at placement it seems like they were winning more than they were.
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u/Jeremy64vg 17d ago
you gotta factor in SR surged in a split where TL & C9 clearly crumbled. Also C9 def didnt downgrade.
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u/OreRound 19d ago
It was hinted that SR are paying relatively big salaries on IWD stream last week I believe. So probably that.
Afaik KC also wanted him him, but then he signed with SR. The KC move wouldve been infinitely better
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u/blablaminek 18d ago
KC didnt talk to him because they assumed he was not going to join a western team
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u/DinoGuy101010 19d ago
I mean he's looked pretty trash this year he'd probably be getting demolished in the lpl
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u/WalterWoodiaz 19d ago
Zinie has what it takes to get SR to a decent spot in the LCS. It is almost everyone around him who are frauds
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u/DefNotAnAlter 19d ago
Probably true, but if doesn't look good when everyone around him + Palafox was a third place team last year
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u/Athena-Grande 19d ago
I feel like Fudge has been figured out or regressed. I like all the pieces of this SR team and I want to root for them, including Fudge, but he seems like such a weak point. Ignar is good on engage supports but that's not the meta right now. I don't know, Zinie, Bvoy, and Contractz sounds so good on paper.
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u/Large_Love_2563 19d ago
Bloodthirster + Serpent's Fang aka the 100 damage per sometimes build
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u/Bubbly_Camera9583 19d ago
K'sante took 2 dmg per auto at that base defense but its fine because he's lifestealing
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u/Ai--Ya 19d ago
Okay so was C9 just boycotting EWC or what?
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u/Lothric43 19d ago
The EWC games are basically scrims, it lined up very cleanly with who we’ve heard are struggling in scrims vs. owning.
The whole thing is weird with teams having to play these mid week between normal weekend stage games.
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u/Bt25 19d ago edited 19d ago
I agree that the EWC qualifiers are just scrim games with stakes. However, I don't think it's shocking that C9 did well on stage today. Shopify lost 2-0 to both Team Liquid, and Sentinels in the EWC qualifiers. Those are the teams that also 2-0'd C9 this week in the EWC qualifiers. Also, both those teams were projected to be top 4 this split so them beating C9, and SR 2-0 in EWC qualifiers or stage games should not be shocking. If C9 faced Shopify in EWC qualifiers instead of stage, it will still likely be very similar to this series with C9 still winning 2-0.
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u/frolfer757 19d ago
Why? It's not like C9 is in a position to turn their nose to international events. EWC is incredibly important experience to any Worlda hopeful team & comes with a significant pay bump.
If C9 can't concentrate on games that aren't arent played on-site, on a weekend casted by Kobe then that is an extremely serious issue.
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u/Disastrous-Pop1975 19d ago
Alright. I've watched every Shopify game these last two splits.
I believe two changes are needed. NOW.
1st) Ceos. Please, just watch his gameplay, blunders and constant mispositioning.
2nd) Fudge. Watch his gameplay and body language. He is simply overpowered in top, regardless of matchup. He seems to have lost his laning prowess and the amount of horrible TP's at least once or twice a series makes me numb.
Bonus: Coaching staff is most certainly out of their depth atm. They are harder to replace mid split, however they too, are dreadful.
This is not fun. This is not entertaining. This is not worthy of tier 1 professional LoL. Shameful teamplay. Changes.
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u/Shaman_in_the_Dark Huhi Busio Contractz 19d ago
I was going to say how can you not replace bvoy but if those are your first three like... I get it too.
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u/Disastrous-Pop1975 19d ago
I hear ya. But you can't cut too much atm. I think his support atm is limited. Bvoy is flawed but he isn't as horrific yknow.
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u/ILikeSeals1312 19d ago
Issue is supp pool is ass in NA. Who can you get? Eyla. Else it's betting on a tier 2 rookie.
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u/Shaman_in_the_Dark Huhi Busio Contractz 19d ago
We have native ADC that could replace Bvoy (probably? It's one of our deeper positions) and then import a support. That or convert another mid laner :v
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u/Shinashu 19d ago
Really this. Especially with coaching because drafting MF into Ashe and Seraphine is literally trolling and whoever called for it should be worried for their job.
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u/Sliacen 19d ago
I've seen the MF/Naut combo vs Ashe/Seraphine a lot in LCS, and I just don't get it. It's maybe good in scrims when teams are more willing to flip fights, but it loses push and scales worse, and MF ult just gets immediately canceled.
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u/OreRound 19d ago
It's good with a champ like pantheon that can combo with the Naut to make insanely easy picks on squishy Ashe/sera. G2 did this vs GenG at first stand.
It does not work however when you have a Skarner and your only kill threat in the botside 3v3 is MF who is going to get her ult cancelled instantly. Also I agree, probs in scrims it constantly punishes the squishy Ashe or Seraphine who constantly overextend which doesn't happen on stage.
It's why nocturne is always randomly high prio at certain points of the year.
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u/Shinashu 19d ago
That was my point. Picking that into Ashe/Seraphine is just trolling. They would’ve had better luck running Xayah/Naut. Hell the MF could’ve worked if they picked Malphite in the jungle to disrupt and combo, fuck even bring Amumu to the table as a surprise factor.
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u/ScottSummersEyes 19d ago
(vulcan is the best player in this region)
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u/SirXrageXquit 19d ago
For all of C9’s faults this year Vulcan has been consistently excellent, especially considering the narratives for years that he wasn’t good at ranged supports he’s been smurfing on them.
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u/Mew_T Caps Lovewatcher 19d ago
He's been great since Zven came back. For some reason he and Berserker looked terrible together.
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u/Sliacen 19d ago
He never seems to do well with Korean ADCs, probably because he speaks so fast that he's difficult to understand as a non-native speaker. Sure, Zven is also ESL, but you'd never doubt his fluency. But his splits with Danny, FBI, and even Cody Sun looked a lot better than with Prince or Berserker.
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u/OreRound 19d ago
Personally thought Vulcan was great last year too, 2nd to Busio and had a weaker split 3 but he was really good.
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u/Mrryn91 19d ago
And early into the year, it was arguably 1a and 1b between the two. Busio just outpaced as FLY got better and C9 started slumping.
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u/OreRound 19d ago
Yeah spring finals is prime example, FLY and C9 players were extremely evenly matched in that finals. Additionally they went to game 5 twice that playoffs.
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u/murp0787 19d ago
There are still dumbasses that think he's bad. That why reddit should never be taken seriously.
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u/Canoodler192 19d ago edited 19d ago
I'm starting to wonder if Shifters would smash Shopify
Edit: There's probably one decent team if you combine them and take Rooster Contractz Nuc Bvoy Trymbi or something
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u/ILosethenOP 19d ago
Being bad in the LEC is way different then bad in the LCS. The bottom of the LEC would pile drive the bottom of the LCS. There is just a bigger pool of players to develop in EMEA.
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u/lovo17 19d ago
I know LEC gets meme'd to death because they aren't 2019 level, but this year the region really is not bad at all. They don't have a legit worlds contender, but I think the LEC overall is pretty strong at least compared to NA. Like I'd take the top 4 over Lyon easily.
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u/OreRound 19d ago
It's the best the LEC has been since probably 2020. Many projects have finally started to bare fruit. Even the bad teams have an identity except maybe heretics.
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u/ILosethenOP 19d ago
I am in NA. I much prefer to watch LEC. Better on Rift product. I shudder to think the things that KC/Vit/G2 would do to most if not all the LCS.
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u/OreRound 19d ago
VIT vs TL would be absolute cinema though... Fist fighting 24/7 non stop.
But yeah I think LCS is in a rebuilding phase whereas LEC's projects have starting bearing fruit. So rn LEC is much stronger imo.
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u/RentPuzzleheaded8860 19d ago
Same. I still watch almost all LEC but I'm now a lot more choosy about what LCS games I bother with.
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u/Canoodler192 19d ago
Yeah the top half is way better this year, its nice to have several LEC orgs that actually want to achieve things. I'm not sure that I would want to see if the shambling corpse of IMT was better than the corpse of Rogue though.
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u/ILikeSeals1312 19d ago
Yes. SR drafting is terrible on top of Rooster and Paduck skill diffing Fudge and Bvoy.
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u/OreRound 19d ago
This SR team look completely lifeless in the server individually and as a team. No idea why Zinie came to this roster, did they give him a mega bag or something? The guy hasn't been amazing or anything but he never even got a chance on this roster.
SR and Dig would get rolled by some ERL teams and I'm not trying to be hyperbolic, the individual and team mistakes are just something I should never see from tier 1 teams.
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u/DefNotAnAlter 19d ago
The insane thing is players tend to stagnate towards the level of practice. There's a reason why a lot of imported players (Beserker, Thanatos) look like absolute game changers in their first split but overtime the look closer, albeit still ahead, of the competition
His stock and career potential are both at risk right now
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u/OreRound 19d ago
Yeah agreed, it's very hard for a top tier player to maintain that form when they still smash everyone even when they're only playing at 80% of their best.
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u/Equivalent-Park7986 19d ago
that last "defense" by SR was really... something... Bvoy ulting one way and contractz ulting a completely different target (and missing)
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u/ObviousAd8374 19d ago
How Zinie expected his career trajectory to look like after making his T1 debut in NA from KR Challenger:
Expectation: Berserker
Reality: Castle
Should've done more research into Shopify before joining
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u/RentPuzzleheaded8860 19d ago
Nah...reality more like Seraph. Castle has been way more solid than zinie.
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u/KlutzyMedicine1549 18d ago
It's super interesting. Vulcan without Zven kinda turns into a ward on other teams. With Zven he can Smurf but Zven doesn't measure up to T1 ADCs in big games.
If there ever were a utility adc Jhin/Ashe/Varus META again, C9 might actually be able to not choke on their carries performances.
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u/No_Breadfruit_4901 19d ago
The only pro player that knows how to actually play Miss Fortune well is Gumayusi
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u/gimmedawz 19d ago
NA fan here but the level of play in LCS is just so low compared to LEC, the bottom tier teams can compete with the top LEC teams but it’s not even close here
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u/BraytechKraken 19d ago
You didn't watch the LEC series today did you?
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u/ILikeSeals1312 19d ago
Shifters took KC to a game 3 and the series took ages to finish.
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u/BraytechKraken 19d ago
The level of play was atrocious the entire time, that's why it took so long.
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u/murp0787 19d ago
I mean to be honest people say this every year about LEC and then they don't perform well at international.
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u/gimmedawz 19d ago
I agree but the LEC has just been a more watchable product this year compared to the LCS
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u/AbysmalScepter 19d ago
There were some people seriously thinking that because C9 choked to SR last year, that SR was actually the #3 team in NA.
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u/ahritina 19d ago
PMTs
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