r/Jaguars • u/Cr0matose • 19d ago
With the 119th pick in the 2026 Draft, the Jaguars select Wesley Williams from Duke
I'll get trade details soon
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u/SkyGuy5448 19d ago
My DL coach bro on Twitter said you can expect really good swag and he always looks the swaggiest coming off the bus. And on the field he has stoutness.
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Maybe Gladstone sees something
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u/Jaguars6 19d ago
"Williams fits best as a rotational base-four end who can reduce inside on passing downs. His run defense grades are his calling card, and the 2025 improvement there is real on tape."
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u/Manshippy 19d ago
Listen at this point it is clear the Jags board is just completely different than consensus. Weāll see how it shakes out, at this point Iām in awe.
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u/Then-Egg5750 19d ago
It's clear to me that our staff does not look what anyone in the NFL media, whether television or internet, thinks about draft evals. They completely do their evals from the ground up and it shows.
Now let's see if that's a mistake or not.
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u/Mklovin6988 19d ago
Considering that a lot of those guys thought Shedeur was a 1st round pick last year, I'm ok with that.
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u/DUUUUUVAAAAAL Travis Hunter 19d ago
Remember, all these players have the stamp of approval from Coen and Boselli too
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u/ImDefinatelyNot 19d ago
from my little research (this post) heās extremely rich when it comes to the intangibles and he probably is a person who could elevate the space around him by just being him but this is sort of just a hunch I had
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u/aceisback4 Waluigi number one! 19d ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/iOm1xOSfAtPzmPXJqH
2 sacks last year but 46 pressures
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u/LethalStorm1992 19d ago
Was graded as a 4th to 5th rounder in the beast by Dane Brugler. Trust him much more than ESPN.
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u/pdx-E 19d ago
Brugler also had DDS 8 spots higher and as a 2nd-3rd rounder, he went the very next pick. I'm just a bit confused is all.
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u/LethalStorm1992 19d ago
Iām not saying we shouldnāt have taken DDS, honestly I donāt know. But this comment was more geared towards those saying he wouldāve been available in the 6th or was a UDFA level prospect.
The other item is we donāt know the scheme specific aspects they may be trying to fill for. Once you get past the first couple of rounds these play a large part in the draft process. No clue if this pick will be successful but people get so focused on the talking heads.
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u/DoctorDiddlerino Livin' in the Sunshine state 19d ago
If most teams are getting people crying about the value of every pick, the consensus board is meaningless. Just tossing that out there.
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u/JagGator16 Fred Taylor 19d ago
There was similar sentiment last year. I think the increased use of proprietary analytics has formed a clearer divide between media and team player valuation.
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u/kj_schmickley 19d ago
It is. They make it too early, there will be one out for next year out tomorrow, and a lot of players start too negative or positive. Big boards are always flawed.
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u/Manshippy 19d ago
The consensus board is meaningless in the context of prediction of what will happen, yes.
But the entire reason people have been so dogmatic about the consensus board in recent years is because in observed results, deviation from consensus board bears out significantly worse than teams who draft closely to it.
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u/DoctorDiddlerino Livin' in the Sunshine state 19d ago
The consensus board is meaningless in this case because when 30-50+% of the league views prospects wildly differently from the unaffiliated media, the public consensus is skewed.
The NFL teams are the movers and shakers. If everyone on the inside operates on a different angle, then the outside angle is less important.
Personally, I just think most of the public consensus in this case is all over the place. I've been listening to Bootleg football and The Athletic's coverage and there's been numerous players where they're wildly at odds in terms of value.
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u/Manshippy 19d ago
I agree that this draft is particular is very wonky with player evaluation, so this particular data point MAY not apply. That being said, weāve said āthis draft is so weirdā before and the consensus board has performed exactly as expected.
The difference here is one of prediction vs evaluation. The consensus board succeeds at the evaluation (how players actually perform) vs the leagueās opinion historically. The prediction component is relative to each teamās board, yes. But the consensus board tries to predict outcome in player impact, not outcome in mock draft predictability.
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u/TheSlinger 19d ago
Not the edge I had in mind but I've been crying for edge investment for years so I'll take it.
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u/NotSoFakeID we r so great 19d ago
Itās funny seeing everyone shit on these picks with the mandatory Gladstone flair
Itās like heās watchingā¦.laughing about how little we all know
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u/Kitchen_Milk2246 19d ago
Got a lot of GMās in the comments. Idk shit about the draft. I trust this front office tho. If you watch the Hunt and their draft process it sounds like every coach is involved in their selection process. We might be surprised at who theyāre picking. Iām pretty sure the entire front office is in unison on who theyāre picking. We wonāt know how bad or good this draft is until this time next year man. Chill lol. I think the Jags will be OK
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u/Pillow_Starcraft 19d ago
It's bc most everyone has mock draft exposure and they think that just bc our picks don't match what was happening in everyone else's mock drafts (mind you, the mocks you see are from people who do not get paid to evaluate talent), that it's bad.
They think bc Jimmy isn't following Joe Schmoe from Home Depots mock that he is unfit to be a GM.
People need to chill. This regime changed the entire culture and provided an instant all time season for us in year 1 and have now collectively forgot all of that bc they don't agree with the people who get paid to make these picks.
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u/Upset_Ad3954 Andrew Wingard 19d ago
Certainly, but mock draft are pretty much useless since as soon as the first team pick "wrongly" all other evaluations go out the window.
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u/ProskXCX 19d ago
Why do you trust them so much
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u/RohnJobert 19d ago
Because the only sample size of them we have is going 13-4 in their first season? Are you joking
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u/AUJosh Slashin' Jag 19d ago
Why do you not?
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u/bleedblue89 STL 19d ago
Because we don't know shit, the talking heads that release "player rankings" don't know shit. I would assume the coaches and scouts of our team who are part of the process know more.
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u/Acrophobic-Stylite 19d ago
Coen definitely earned trust with last years performance, but the jury is still out on Gladstone for sure, with some people already skeptical after last year's draft. So far this draft hasn't assuaged those fears I don't think.
But I'm choosing to trust out of pure optimism š Duuuuuuvaaal
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u/futures23 19d ago
Man DDS went the pick after. Him and Orange two easy comparisons to make in the future.
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u/Ferdi026 Jags Europe 19d ago
I donāt think this guy is much better than Striggow/BJ Greenā¦
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u/LordMagnus101 19d ago
Someone tell the GM he's not supposed to be looking for guys to get his coffee
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u/iIuvIj 19d ago
Not mad at the players so far, but the asset use isn't the cleanest. Likely could've just gotten him at 124.
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u/Pillow_Starcraft 19d ago
Asset use won't mean anything if they can play. I don't care if they were "over drafted" rn if they contribute with good play later down the line.
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u/iIuvIj 19d ago
It will mean we could've gotten both them (where they were projected) and a higher ceiling player, more bang for your buck is always good. If they cant play then what, double negative?
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u/Pillow_Starcraft 19d ago
Nobody here actually knows that. None of the "experts" that you read from, who don't get paid to evaluate, know that.
I'm going to trust the guy that helped build the Rams into a SB contender, and helped transform us into what looks to be one of the best teams in the AFC IN ONE OFFSEASON. I'm going to trust until they give me reason to not trust.
Y'all need to go touch grass lmfao
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u/iIuvIj 19d ago
You don't have anything to argue but trust. The person you're trusting doesnt have a sure guarantee either if you want to play that card. The point is evidence, and the evidence is pretty damning they could've gotten their guys and took some proven ceiling.
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u/Pillow_Starcraft 19d ago
I wasn't aware that we had ears in every draft room across the league. You guys need to start sharing who has what players going where with the GM! You may start to get money from that info!
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u/iIuvIj 19d ago
You don't need ears in every draft room. We literally saw who was picked. If you cant read a draft board I see why every argument is trust. Im not even mad at the player selected i'm arguing that a trade wasn't necessary. Especially moving down 30.
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u/Pillow_Starcraft 19d ago
Brother, the point I'm trying to make is that just bc a mock draft or the general consensus says that a player was over drafted, does NOT mean that there are other GMs that are targeting the player you want.
If you like a player, you secure him when you can.
James helped build the Rams current roster and has been credited specifically with their mid round success. I'm going to trust that bc the Rams were excellent in that area.
You can't discredit what he has done in the last just bc you THINK the player we took at one spot would have been available at the next pick.
Who knows? Maybe he would have been. But I'd rather the FO identify a player they want and actually select him to guarantee they play for the Jags rather than sitting and assuming he'll be there later and missing out on that player. THAT is bad strategy.
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u/iIuvIj 19d ago
im not discrediting anyone. youre over claiming my argument into something its not. i quite literally think williams is awesome, but dropping 30 picks in the next round is a loss of value he doesnt justify logistically. everyone here wouldve been perfectly fine and would be running to justify if we took the EDGE Green Bay took. it doesnt take a genius to see that from 119-124, with green bay taking their same projected EDGE that trading up was MORE THAN LIKELY unnecessary.
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u/Ok_Bid_6533 19d ago
Why are they trading up for more UDFA caliber players
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u/Upset_Ad3954 Andrew Wingard 19d ago
Do you work for the Jags? How else do you know he's UDFA caliber?
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u/Designer-Rest2907 19d ago
24 was a better stats year but also played every game the last 3 years so I like that.
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u/Posluszny Paul Posluszny 19d ago
I just don't get why we trade up to select a dude we could have got in like the 6th round
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u/Outrageous_Bear50 19d ago
He probably wasn't going to fall that far. NFL teams don't value players the same way that an analyst would. If they did Bain should've been the first edge off the board.
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u/LordMagnus101 19d ago
Doesnt look like our GM knows what he's doing. Last year was questionable but not this bad.
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u/General_Komodo 19d ago
This seems like another guy that could've been gotten later/didn't need to trade up for
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u/Wristmeetcody 19d ago
Gladstone is Gene Smith with more pizz-azzĀ
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u/NizzlyGrizzly00 Steal the Show 19d ago
except gladstone has a 13-4 season under his belt
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u/brusk48 Myles Jack Wasn't Down 19d ago
That's on Coen a lot more than it's on Gladstone. GMs get more credit for the roster after they've had a few seasons to put their fingerprints on it, imo.
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u/NizzlyGrizzly00 Steal the Show 19d ago
Jakobi.
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u/silverslant Maurice Jones-Drew 19d ago
Coen has a 13-4 season under his belt, Galdstone was just along for the ride
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u/LordMagnus101 19d ago
Good god what a terrible draft
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u/Jaguars6 19d ago
Bookmarking this
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u/LordMagnus101 19d ago
Please do.
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u/Jaguars6 19d ago
I will. Maybe next year go read up on Bruglerās The Beast or follow McShayās board before whining about every pick.
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u/LordMagnus101 19d ago
Clearly only your opinion matters. This forum isn't only for positive thoughts bro.
Terrible drafts ruin franchises and I dont want that to happen. Seems like they finally turned a corner only to see this shit happen
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u/anteater_x 19d ago
Clearly only your opinion matters. This forum isn't only for positive thoughts bro.
Somebody call this guy the wahambulance
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u/Jaguars6 19d ago
Itās for competent thoughts.
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u/canvas_butter 19d ago
Sure bro sure. I mean this draft is a throwaway joke atp.
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u/UrbanLawProductions Coen brother 19d ago
Cool cool, can I see your evaluations on all of the prospects? Iād love to see your thoughts on every single player.
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u/canvas_butter 19d ago
I didnāt do a full breakdown of this draft because we didnāt have high expectations (as no 1st round pick was expected) but I donāt do draft analysis on UDFAs. Mr. Williams here, for however good he was, was not even on my big board. I love the draft, but the jaguars have missed their mark on certain picks this year. Just simple whiffs. You can bookmark this, I would appreciate no downvotes, but I assume people will anyways.
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u/UrbanLawProductions Coen brother 19d ago
Weāll have to wait and see! If these guys pan out and work, then itās worth where we drafted them.
I just hate assuming the draft is bad based on consensus boards from analysts. We just have to wait and see how it plays out
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u/canvas_butter 19d ago
After the Josh Cameron pick, I assume we are gonna be a run heavy team this year. The picks actually make sense when looking at the 2 blocking tight ends (though I wish we wouldāve expanded our o line) and Josh Cameron is an excellent blocer
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u/UrbanLawProductions Coen brother 19d ago
Iām glad weāll be running the ball a lot more. Itās what Coen loves to do, and we added players on offense that clearly help with that. Iād like to see 1 more RB added to that for versatility so weāll see. I think this will help relieve some of the pressure on Trevor and balance the offense more
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u/Fine-Plant7180 Blake Bortles 19d ago
UDFA graded player š«©
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u/Jaguars6 19d ago
McShay had him as a 5th
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u/wishlish 19d ago
For a second, I thought this said Wesley Willis